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Hi,

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everyone.

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It's Jonathan Bass from Bellwether Coffee,

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uh,

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and I'm really,

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really excited about,

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I'm always excited about our webinars,

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but I'm particularly excited about this one.

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Robert Mittmans Kruber

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from Cafana Cafe in Vienna

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is joining us today.

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Uh,

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has been a bellwether customer for about 6 months,

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has a really interesting business.

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Um,

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so I,

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I'll,

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I'll jump right into it.

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Robert,

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tell us about Cafana.

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Uh,

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how,

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how did you get started?

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What,

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what made you decide to open a cafe in Vienna?

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Hi,

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everyone.

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Yeah,

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super happy to be here.

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Thanks,

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Jonathan.

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Yeah,

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as you said,

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I started the business around 6 months ago.

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I mean,

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there was a long time planning ahead and I've been,

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yeah,

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quite active in the coffee community in Vienna a long time

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before that and got to know a lot of people,

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I always got

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deeper into the,

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into,

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into the topic,

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and yeah,

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I had,

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like,

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it was like a dream of mine to open my own cafe at some point.

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Try to get some experience as a barista before that and yeah,

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finally,

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um,

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end of last year,

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so basically mid-September,

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beginning of October,

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I found the right place and,

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and made it happen and yeah,

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received my bellwether and started roasting right away.

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And you said,

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and Kefana is,

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is Balkan in origin.

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Can you tell us about the name,

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how you come up with the name?

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Yeah,

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exactly.

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So the name is um derived from,

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from the Balkans.

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So

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Balkan people,

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they understand it,

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they know that this means like it can be a small cafe,

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a bistro or something where you can grab a

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coffee or some other drinks or something to eat.

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And yeah,

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my wife is from Slovenia originally,

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so we came up with the name.

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It's easy to,

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uh,

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to,

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to pronounce here also in Austria,

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that was very important and people do associate it with coffee,

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which helped a lot in the beginning to get the business started.

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Yeah,

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um,

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now you said you never planned to roast your own coffee

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until you saw the,

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the bellwether.

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Uh,

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what,

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what changed your mind?

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What,

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why did you,

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why did you decide to roast?

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You were just gonna open a cafe,

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uh,

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without roasting,

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but,

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but you,

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but you changed your mind when you saw the bellwether.

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What?

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Tell us about that.

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Yeah,

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exactly.

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So the initial plan was to

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buy roasted coffee,

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um,

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because I mean it was the obvious way to do it,

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but then I was also talking to some,

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some roasteries that I knew that I trusted

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and we were talking about prices and everything and then actually it was um

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kind of a lucky incident that I saw an ad from Bellwether.

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I think it was in Barista magazine a while ago.

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And then I was like,

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hmm,

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never seen that rosa.

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And

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got in touch with uh Bellwether,

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had a couple of conversations.

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I

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Went to Madrid,

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I went to London to,

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to visit uh roasteries there.

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They were actually using the,

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uh,

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the bellwether.

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And then it was on the one hand

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like

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a financial decision obviously so

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because

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long term it

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pays off um

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to use uh as to roast your own coffee

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even with some initial investment.

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So,

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um,

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so the ROI is,

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is,

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um,

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yeah,

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positive

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depending on how much you roast,

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of course,

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after some time.

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And yeah,

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so,

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um,

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just buying roasted coffee in a certain

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like quality is uh pretty,

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uh,

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pretty expensive or it can be expensive.

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So

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I'm talking like,

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in my case,

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it was like starting point around

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back then,

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so I'm talking like

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1.5 years ago,

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it was like €25 roasted coffee per kilo.

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Now it's probably even more,

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but it's definitely more,

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um,

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as a starting point and

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Yeah,

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so

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I did the math.

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Um,

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I was talking to,

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to Bellwether a lot basically.

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I got some,

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I tried to get some feedback from people

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who actually are using the bellwether in London,

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especially and in Madrid.

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And yeah,

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at the end of the day,

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um,

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super happy I,

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I made the decision for myself.

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Yeah,

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and we can see the bellwether.

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You're,

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you're in your cafe now.

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-- We
-- can see the bellwether.

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Yeah,

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that's great.

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Yeah,

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-- so what are
-- the,

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yeah,

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go ahead.

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Yeah,

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right.

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Now,

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I also then,

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as you can see,

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I also went for the,

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for the continuous roasting kit,

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um,

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to be like more flexible and uh

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be able to also have a higher output if necessary.

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Yeah,

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that's,

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that's amazing.

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So,

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um,

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you,

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you share a,

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a,

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a space with a co-working office.

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Um,

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so,

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so that

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was that part of the consideration?

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You didn't have a lot of space and it probably would have been difficult to

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run ducts or vents.

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Um,

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tell us a little bit about your space.

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Yeah,

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so for me,

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it was never an option to actually

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create a space or find a space where I would need to do like a build-out for,

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for like a bigger roastery,

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so this didn't make sense for me to,

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to start with.

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So I was looking for a space that is one big enough,

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spacious enough where I can

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run my,

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my micro roastery,

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yeah,

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because it

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In the end,

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it,

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it doesn't require so much space,

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which is like uh

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the ideal solution for me because I'm,

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for one,

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I'm sharing

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a space which

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is

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not super big,

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so I can fit everything.

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And yeah,

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it,

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so I can

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basically integrate roasting into my,

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my daily business which was,

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yeah,

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now after 6 months,

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definitely the,

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the right decision.

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OK.

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Now,

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you,

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you,

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when we,

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the first time we talked,

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you said you don't consider yourself a roaster yet.

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Um,

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but,

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but,

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you know,

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how,

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how easy has it been to learn how to use the,

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the bowwe?

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Yeah,

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I mean,

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roasting has been very new

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to me.

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I mean,

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I was working in a roastering cafe before,

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but I have never actually really roasted myself on a traditional roaster.

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And

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I mean,

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I was

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super happy and impressed that

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actually I already the,

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the first batches that we,

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that we roasted

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were like really good.

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Yeah,

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I mean,

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on the one hand,

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definitely

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coffee quality matters,

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yeah,

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so I was buying green coffee from Bellwether also back then

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and still am buying green coffee from Bellwether.

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And

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The profiles really

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nailed it,

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I would say.

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So I was super happy with the

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first roast that we did from the Brazilian coffee back then and

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Also,

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then

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later on what I really noticed and what is very important

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for me also now is that the roast is super consistent

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so

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I know that if I used my Brazilian coffee

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in the light roast profile that was provided by Velveda,

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I,

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I,

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I can be sure that the coffee tastes as I want it to taste

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and

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basically does so every roast that I do.

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Yeah.

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Now,

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Vienna obviously has a,

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a,

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an incredible,

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uh,

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cafe culture,

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and incredible history,

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you know,

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of,

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of cafe culture.

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What kind of feedback do you get from your customers about the coffee?

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I mean,

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I can

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definitely say that in the very beginning,

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People who are super curious about the roster.

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I was also like some,

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some media coverage in,

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in the beginning,

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like on other rosters visiting and looking at Bellwether.

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I mean,

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a lot of people have

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heard about Bellwether somewhere,

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right?

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Because,

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I mean,

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you have been around and active in Europe as well for some time now.

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But

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like

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many people are coming even from,

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from Budapest,

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from Hungary,

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for example,

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to have a look at the roster and,

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uh,

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yeah,

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reaching out on Instagram and on my socials to have a chat about it and

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Yeah,

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it was,

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uh,

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it was super nice.

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I mean,

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it

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has been the first Bellweda in Austria back then,

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in Vienna.

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Now,

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as far as I know,

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there's

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a second roastery that is using a bellweda,

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but,

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um,

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yeah,

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it's definitely got,

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um,

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quite some attention beginning.

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Yeah,

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that's great.

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Now you,

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you,

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you told me something that was very interesting.

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Uh,

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so you are,

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uh,

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you're doing

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classes,

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coffee classes,

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teaching people about roasting,

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about coffee.

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Uh,

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tell,

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tell us about that.

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Yes,

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this was an idea of mine that I had

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in the planning phase already that I,

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I,

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I want to use this opportunity that I

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Yeah,

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invite people to the space and I call them roast your own coffee workshops.

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So basically what we do is

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we do a little coffee introduction because I

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think it's so important for people to understand

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like

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where coffee is coming from and how many steps are necessary actually

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until the coffee arrives at the rosary.

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So we talk about coffee,

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do a little introduction,

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then we do a cupping um of the coffees that I actually roast here,

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and then

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every participant um picks his favorite coffee or her favorite coffee,

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and we then uh roast together.

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They package it and take it home,

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and it's super fun.

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Oh,

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so you let the customers do a roast with you.

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Absolutely,

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yeah,

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and this is,

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this is also the,

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like the,

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the big advantage with the bellwether roaster because it's,

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uh,

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super easy to operate in a small space like,

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like mine here

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and yeah,

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makes it possible to have

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workshops like this.

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I do this like a

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Sunday afternoon session which is super fun.

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People are relaxed and have a good time and take great coffee home with them.

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That's awesome.

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I,

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that,

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that's a great idea.

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We'll have to,

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to start,

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uh,

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spreading that idea around.

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Um,

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so I'll ask you maybe one or two more questions and then we'll let,

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uh,

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folks

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put questions,

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um,

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in the chat.

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So for everybody,

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uh,

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watching,

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if you wanna ask Robert a question,

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um,

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just type it in the chat,

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uh,

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and we will put it on the screen and answer it.

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Um,

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so,

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so I guess my last question before we take some questions from the audience.

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You've been open for 6 months,

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and you've been doing this all yourself.

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What would you tell someone

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thinking and thinking about adding roasting to the cafe?

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What,

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what are,

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what are the sort of the biggest things that you've learned along the way,

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um,

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and,

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uh,

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the biggest challenges you've had to overcome the biggest surprises?

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I mean,

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uh,

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challenges,

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challenges in general is more like,

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uh,

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time and my own capacity and resources because yeah,

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as you said,

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I'm,

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I'm running everything on my own currently.

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I mean,

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I'm only open 5 days a week,

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but still,

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you know,

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hours add up and

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I do usually roast um

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in the afternoons or if I need to roast more,

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also on the weekends to have more time.

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But for me,

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definitely.

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Makes and made a lot of sense to roast and I would definitely also do it again,

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um,

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because people

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Especially also like in Vienna,

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um,

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people are used to specialty coffee.

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We have like also

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quite some small roasteries already like micro

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roasters that roast their own coffee,

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but people are curious.

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Vienna has a

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long history in coffee.

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Um,

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people want to try out new things.

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Um,

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tourists also love it because they come to Vienna,

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they see,

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OK,

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this is like coffee roasted in Vienna,

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try it out,

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take it back home,

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and that's,

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um,

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that's great,

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yeah.

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Um,

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so yeah,

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if you have

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the space,

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if you have the capacity,

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um,

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definitely makes sense and also long term,

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it makes sense from a financial perspective.

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And it

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also gives me like a lot of

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um possibility to,

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you know,

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individualize my offering because for example,

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I do have some

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Of clients and I know they use like automated machines.

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I know they prefer darker roast which I don't offer in the cafe,

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but if they order and they want a dark roast,

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I can do it for them,

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uh,

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which is

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makes my,

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my overall offering super flexible,

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right?

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OK.

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We're,

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we're starting to get some questions,

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but maybe,

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maybe the last thing before we,

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before we take questions,

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can you walk us around the cafe?

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Can you show us,

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uh,

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your space,

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-- because
-- it's a,

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it's a beautiful space.

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So luckily the sun came out also now in the afternoon,

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I hope.

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So this is actually my,

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uh,

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my entrance area here

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-- um and it's 5:15
-- p.m. and,

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and it's a little bit after 5:00 p.m. in,

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in,

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uh,

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Vienna.

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Yes,

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yeah.

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So I hope you can see that.

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So this is the roaster right in the corner.

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So when people walk in,

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um,

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sometimes they don't see it immediately,

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but then I just tell them,

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just turn around and have a look.

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There's the roasting machine.

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And yeah,

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so it's,

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maybe I have to mention it's like um I only have 8 seats inside.

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This is one of the limitations I have here.

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Um,

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but yeah,

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it's super

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small comfy space,

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here's my uh retail shelf.

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The

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bar,

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there's the kitchen,

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-- show us
-- your,

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show us your bags.

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Yeah,

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just a second.

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So look,

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there they are.

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Here's,

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uh,

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my favorite coffee,

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Ethiopia tanche espresso,

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um,

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super juicy and vibrant,

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uh,

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coffee,

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and I do have my own coffees.

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Um,

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I do have some guest roasters like friends that I'm working with.

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They're also here on the shelf,

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always in,

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uh,

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some limited amounts,

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but their focus is definitely on my own coffees,

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of course.

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Yeah,

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that's the bar menu.

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Fridges,

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of course,

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and it's,

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I think it's empty now because I cleaned up the space already because I closed it for

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and here on the other side you can see it's like

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the um office coworking space that I'm sharing the room with

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and

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there is window seating

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entrances and roaster.

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And I do have some space in the back obviously

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um for storing green coffee uh and also storing roasted coffee

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but um yeah,

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everything is,

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uh,

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everything fits into a small space.

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That's a beautiful space.

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They should really,

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they should really pay you rent for beautifying their space.

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That's a,

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that's a,

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that's a great office.

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Um,

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uh,

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it'd be a great environment to work in.

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OK,

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so we've got some questions in the chat.

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So I'll,

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I'll jump into those.

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So,

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uh,

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from Catherine,

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um,

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how long do you,

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how long do you off gas your beans?

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How long do you wait till you finish roasting to,

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to,

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to serve the coffee?

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So ideally I am waiting at least 14 days.

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To serve them here on par.

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I did some tests in the beginning and I,

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yeah,

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for me this was like the

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kind of the tipping point where I noticed that,

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um,

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coffee has fully developed and is ready to use.

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It doesn't always work,

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to be honest,

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because,

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you know,

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it's,

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it's really hard to plan

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how much you need.

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Um,

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sometimes it's hard,

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sometimes it works well,

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so I try to keep some,

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some roasted

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on stock,

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but

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I'm always like disappointed for myself if I need to use

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coffee that is only like 1 week old or something.

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Sometimes happens,

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but ideally 14 days.

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And I also try to tell people,

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yeah,

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if they buy roasted coffee and tell them,

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please,

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guys,

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let them rest a bit.

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Um,

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if you have the patience,

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please wait 14 days.

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Um,

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so yeah.

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Yeah.

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Now,

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does that vary by origin,

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or is,

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is that,

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is the 14 days pretty standard for you?

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I mean for the espressos that I use here on bar,

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I try to keep it with 14 days.

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I mean,

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I know that I can um use a filter coffee a bit earlier,

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but I also don't want to make it too complicated for people and I,

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I just try to tell them,

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these guys wait 14 days.

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You will not regret it.

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Yeah,

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yeah,

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absolutely.

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I know that,

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that,

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that is there,

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there,

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that doesn't matter or vary by preference a little bit,

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but that's,

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that's interesting,

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um,

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so.

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What type brand do you use

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to roast your beans?

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Uh,

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and what bean

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origin is your favorite?

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I think,

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I think this is,

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what origins do you use,

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is,

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is the question,

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I think.

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Yeah,

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so as I mentioned before,

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I was,

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um,

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buying,

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uh,

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green coffee from the Bellwater Marketplace for Europe

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in the beginning and still am buying from there and I was using

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Brazil,

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obviously Ethiopia,

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the one that I just showed you,

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uh,

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Guatemala and Colombia,

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um.

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My favorite

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of

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the beans

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from Bellwether was definitely the Ethiopia tanche,

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which is like a natural

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processed coffee which was as espresso,

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super,

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um,

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super nice coffee.

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People really loved it and still love it,

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um,

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so this is definitely my favorite,

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um,

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originally currently,

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-- and
-- you

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-- get
-- more of a free expression from

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that.

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Yeah,

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that's super,

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tastes like,

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like ripe berries,

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a bit of vanilla,

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a bit of chocolate,

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and yeah,

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it works.

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Espresso is super nice,

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and milk drink makes it super

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creamy,

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nice,

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um,

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cappuccino as well.

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So yeah.

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And you were telling me you,

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uh,

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you,

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you wouldn't,

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we might have to source that if you source that,

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um,

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directly as roasted,

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it might cost as much as $40 a kilo.

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You,

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you're saying is that.

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Yeah,

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this,

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this kind of coffee,

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definitely,

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yeah,

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definitely goes up to,

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to 40 or 50 kg.

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Um,

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I mean,

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even the,

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even the green coffee was around 14 €15 per kilo.

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So,

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yeah,

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definitely.

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Yeah.

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So that's,

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that's a,

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that's a really good margin for the,

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for the bean and for the espresso.

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Yeah,

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and I mean I have to say that the Bellwater Marketplace,

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they,

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I mean,

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you guys offer the super,

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uh,

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nice like variety of,

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of different beans so that you can

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cover a broad

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like taste spectrum also from different coffees.

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You have

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naturals,

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you had washed coffees,

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so this was,

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um,

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also why I decided to

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basically buy all the coffees from Bellwater in the beginning.

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Yeah.

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The,

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um,

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and we,

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we just introduced the,

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the marketplace for Europe,

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uh,

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a few months ago,

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and we are,

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we are in the process of expanding the coffees even more.

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So it's,

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it's,

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it's,

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it's nice to hear that.

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But,

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uh,

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stay tuned because we're going to add a lot more,

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a lot more variety,

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uh,

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this year,

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uh,

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to the

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both marketplaces,

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the one in Europe,

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uh,

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and the one in the United States.

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So,

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OK,

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so here's a question from Chris.

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Uh,

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once the machine has been purchased,

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are there any subscriptions or pay per months to

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get full access to the workings of the machine,

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or is it simply a one-time purchase?

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Well,

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at least for me,

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it was a one-time purchase.

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I'm

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not sure if

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Below offers any other,

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um,

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mm,

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like models,

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but for me,

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it was clear.

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I did a one-time purchase and that's it.

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We know other fees.

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We do not.

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Uh,

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so it is a one-time purchase.

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You,

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you purchase the coffee separately,

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so the,

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the,

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the green coffee,

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um,

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uh,

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it's not a subscription,

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but you,

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you choose the,

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choose the coffees that you,

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uh,

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that you want from the marketplace and obviously pay for those.

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But the green coffee is.

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Quite a bit less expensive than,

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than you would pay for roasted coffee from the same origins.

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Um,

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but that,

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that's,

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that's essentially the cost.

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Um,

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so,

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From Victor,

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uh,

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Robert,

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what is your experience with specialty coffee roasted on bellwether?

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Does it react enough development of the beans?

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So maybe,

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maybe the question,

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we get this question sometimes,

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is it hot enough?

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Because it's electric and it's,

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it's compact and ventless.

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Uh,

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what,

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what is your experience with the development

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of,

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of the beans

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from light roast all the way to,

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to espresso?

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Uh,

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I mean,

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I can say that the

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results

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were very good.

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I did experiment with different,

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um,

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roast profiles and different roast levels as I also said before and I mean,

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I

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just,

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in the very beginning,

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I tried to get also a lot of feedback from people,

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right?

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So

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I usually go also for the espresso for like lighter roasts because I

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just enjoy it more and it's also like a way you

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can stand out a little bit in Vienna because Vienna is traditionally

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More on the darker roasted side,

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but this I um was working really well

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and

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I

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have a couple of coffees which I roast for filter and for espresso separately.

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Some I do like lighter roasts and I present them as omni roasts,

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but

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Like in all the cases so far,

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I think

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there's

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no concern from my side that the,

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that the rooster wouldn't be able to reach enough temperature.

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So,

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uh,

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yeah,

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definitely not a concern for me.

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Yeah.

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And I will say there are,

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there are quite a few companies using bellwether,

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some of which I can't name,

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but you may have heard of,

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that are known for very dark roasts.

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Uh,

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and so it does dark roast extremely well.

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I think,

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I personally think it does light roast extremely well too.

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Um,

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so for,

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for those of you who are interested in light roasts,

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uh,

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we have some very famous roasters that are known for their light roasts,

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uh,

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that,

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that use the bellwether as well.

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So it,

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it is a very versatile machine.

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Um,

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so.

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We've got a second question about the subscription fee after the purchase.

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Oh,

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and,

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and Vanessa says,

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how is,

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so we already answered the subscription fee.

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There,

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there's not a subscription fee,

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but is there support after,

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how is the support?

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Vanessa wants to know.

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Um,

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I mean,

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so far I have not needed much support,

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I have to say.

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Um,

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but,

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uh,

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the technical support online is like super responsive.

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Usually,

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I have a,

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I have an answer within at least

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like

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next 24 hours,

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um,

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which is,

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um,

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Super fast and,

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um,

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yeah,

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works quite well for me.

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But yeah,

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in the beginning,

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I had someone coming from the UK helping set up the roster,

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um,

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which was super helpful,

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um,

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which also

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helped me to get a

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like better introduction to the roster.

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Um,

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we actually roasted the first two batches together

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and yeah,

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that was,

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um,

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um,

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perfect for the start.

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Yeah.

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And for Janessa and Kristen and others

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asking about the additional cost and support,

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so the one thing that you will need to do uh over time,

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right?

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So the,

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the roaster is,

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it's ventless,

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it's ductless,

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it's capturing all the exhaust and volatile organic compounds and smoke

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uh in the filters.

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So,

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you know,

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between 500 and 1000 roasts,

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depending on how

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uh dark you're roasting,

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you will need to replace the filters.

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Uh,

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we,

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we provide the filters for you.

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Um,

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but there is a cost for the preventative maintenance,

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uh,

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which,

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which is essentially replacing the filters.

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It's fairly simple to do.

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Uh,

00:21:25.449 --> 00:21:25.680
but,

00:21:25.810 --> 00:21:26.140
but

00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:27.579
that does need to happen,

00:21:27.829 --> 00:21:27.959
you know,

00:21:28.040 --> 00:21:28.630
down the road,

00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:30.319
between 500 and 1000 roasts.

00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:31.859
And the machine will let you know,

00:21:32.229 --> 00:21:32.680
uh,

00:21:32.689 --> 00:21:32.800
when,

00:21:32.890 --> 00:21:34.060
when it's time to do that.

00:21:35.489 --> 00:21:37.040
So Janessa also asked,

00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:38.170
how mobile is it?

00:21:38.250 --> 00:21:38.810
I guess I'll let,

00:21:38.930 --> 00:21:40.469
I'll I'll let you ask that question.

00:21:40.530 --> 00:21:41.160
It's not,

00:21:41.369 --> 00:21:42.589
it weighs quite a lot.

00:21:42.729 --> 00:21:43.369
Um,

00:21:43.650 --> 00:21:43.849
it,

00:21:43.969 --> 00:21:44.209
it,

00:21:44.329 --> 00:21:44.569
it,

00:21:44.689 --> 00:21:45.010
it's,

00:21:45.089 --> 00:21:47.489
it's mobile in the sense that if you decided to,

00:21:47.569 --> 00:21:49.599
you wanted to reinstall it somewhere else,

00:21:49.930 --> 00:21:52.010
you could unplug it and move it.

00:21:52.290 --> 00:21:52.780
Um,

00:21:52.930 --> 00:21:54.770
so I guess it's more mobile than a,

00:21:54.930 --> 00:21:55.410
than a,

00:21:55.489 --> 00:21:55.920
uh,

00:21:56.050 --> 00:21:56.209
you know,

00:21:56.250 --> 00:21:58.729
a gas roaster or a roaster with an afterburner

00:21:58.729 --> 00:22:00.819
or something that was connected to the wall.

00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:01.520
Uh,

00:22:01.569 --> 00:22:02.609
in another way,

00:22:02.890 --> 00:22:03.050
um,

00:22:03.130 --> 00:22:03.530
but it's,

00:22:03.609 --> 00:22:05.880
it's not something you can move easily

00:22:06.250 --> 00:22:06.880
by yourself.

00:22:07.280 --> 00:22:07.770
So Robert,

00:22:07.849 --> 00:22:09.209
I don't know if you want to add to that.

00:22:11.199 --> 00:22:11.969
I mean the,

00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:14.420
like the continuous roasting version like it is here,

00:22:14.520 --> 00:22:14.709
uh,

00:22:14.719 --> 00:22:15.079
with the,

00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:16.349
with the top part and the,

00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:17.339
and the,

00:22:17.719 --> 00:22:18.760
the containers in the bottom,

00:22:18.829 --> 00:22:21.459
it does have wheels in the bottom so I can move it like

00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:22.349
back and forward,

00:22:22.569 --> 00:22:22.880
yeah,

00:22:23.280 --> 00:22:26.319
not left and right but back and forward so like during the day if I'm not using it,

00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:26.560
I,

00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:29.900
I move it as close to the wall as possible but then during roasting,

00:22:30.239 --> 00:22:30.359
you know,

00:22:30.520 --> 00:22:33.109
give it some air in the back and I can easily move it,

00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:33.780
um,

00:22:34.290 --> 00:22:36.979
move it uh uh like uh away from the wall.

00:22:37.469 --> 00:22:37.910
Yes,

00:22:38.229 --> 00:22:38.390
for,

00:22:38.560 --> 00:22:39.030
for a,

00:22:39.150 --> 00:22:40.420
for a commercial roaster,

00:22:40.469 --> 00:22:41.060
I guess it's,

00:22:41.130 --> 00:22:42.280
it's very mobile.

00:22:45.310 --> 00:22:48.390
I think of mobile as maybe I'm misunderstanding the question.

00:22:48.469 --> 00:22:50.670
I think of mobile maybe as people do,

00:22:50.829 --> 00:22:50.989
you know,

00:22:51.510 --> 00:22:52.869
people do coffee carts with it,

00:22:52.939 --> 00:22:54.849
but it's typically in a centralized location,

00:22:55.270 --> 00:22:55.390
you know,

00:22:55.510 --> 00:22:56.430
doing the roasting.

00:22:56.760 --> 00:22:57.189
Um,

00:22:57.430 --> 00:22:57.660
but no,

00:22:57.709 --> 00:22:57.949
that's,

00:22:58.030 --> 00:22:58.829
that's a good question.

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I,

00:22:59.109 --> 00:23:00.750
I maybe misunderstood the question.

00:23:01.180 --> 00:23:02.069
So Chris says,

00:23:02.170 --> 00:23:02.479
uh,

00:23:02.489 --> 00:23:03.569
he has cafe envy.

00:23:03.689 --> 00:23:03.839
I,

00:23:03.890 --> 00:23:04.079
I,

00:23:04.130 --> 00:23:04.790
I certainly,

00:23:05.170 --> 00:23:05.530
um,

00:23:05.569 --> 00:23:06.619
I sympathize with that.

00:23:06.689 --> 00:23:06.890
It's,

00:23:06.969 --> 00:23:08.229
it is a beautiful space.

00:23:08.930 --> 00:23:09.199
Uh,

00:23:09.209 --> 00:23:09.729
Farhi asks,

00:23:09.770 --> 00:23:11.510
you have an air conditioner in your shop.

00:23:12.010 --> 00:23:12.369
Is that,

00:23:12.530 --> 00:23:12.609
did,

00:23:12.729 --> 00:23:14.030
did we see an air conditioner?

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Or no,

00:23:15.760 --> 00:23:15.800
no,

00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:16.459
you did not.

00:23:16.939 --> 00:23:16.949
No,

00:23:16.959 --> 00:23:17.530
OK,

00:23:18.040 --> 00:23:18.959
no air conditioner.

00:23:19.199 --> 00:23:19.439
So,

00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:20.000
so the,

00:23:20.180 --> 00:23:22.089
so it's not creating heat,

00:23:22.479 --> 00:23:22.719
uh,

00:23:22.800 --> 00:23:24.079
that would require cooling,

00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:24.510
I guess.

00:23:24.520 --> 00:23:24.920
Maybe that,

00:23:25.020 --> 00:23:26.439
that's what's the question.

00:23:27.589 --> 00:23:27.719
Yeah,

00:23:27.800 --> 00:23:28.540
I mean,

00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:29.319
I haven't,

00:23:29.439 --> 00:23:31.079
I haven't gone through a summer yet,

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so last year in autumn,

00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:33.640
it was still fine,

00:23:33.760 --> 00:23:34.280
so no,

00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:35.000
no problem there.

00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:35.819
But um,

00:23:35.969 --> 00:23:36.160
yeah,

00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:36.979
we need to

00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:39.500
look back at this question like in half a year maybe.

00:23:39.930 --> 00:23:40.380
Um,

00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:40.760
but yeah,

00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:41.449
there's no air condition.

00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:43.040
OK.

00:23:43.479 --> 00:23:44.099
Um,

00:23:44.520 --> 00:23:44.859
so

00:23:45.030 --> 00:23:45.640
Catherine asked,

00:23:45.719 --> 00:23:50.180
how long are the beans considered peak or best after the 14-day gas period?

00:23:51.150 --> 00:23:51.390
So,

00:23:51.510 --> 00:23:52.310
so I guess when,

00:23:52.430 --> 00:23:54.869
how long after that would you consider them at their,

00:23:54.969 --> 00:23:56.510
at their absolute best to serve?

00:23:58.280 --> 00:23:58.859
Well,

00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:00.040
I actually,

00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:00.699
I mean it

00:24:00.959 --> 00:24:03.619
also I think very depends on how they're roasted,

00:24:03.719 --> 00:24:05.199
like how dark they're roasted and so on,

00:24:05.280 --> 00:24:05.969
but I

00:24:06.410 --> 00:24:08.040
personally think um

00:24:08.439 --> 00:24:11.030
like up to 3 months if they are in a,

00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:13.390
in a sealed bag with uh like a,

00:24:13.439 --> 00:24:14.640
a small ventilation,

00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:15.469
um,

00:24:15.479 --> 00:24:16.119
like this,

00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:16.349
you know,

00:24:16.439 --> 00:24:17.540
this uh vents on the bag,

00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:18.959
totally fine.

00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:20.469
So I don't see much,

00:24:20.479 --> 00:24:21.260
um,

00:24:21.579 --> 00:24:22.189
um,

00:24:22.579 --> 00:24:22.979
like

00:24:23.550 --> 00:24:24.800
decreasing of quality there,

00:24:24.959 --> 00:24:25.099
yeah,

00:24:25.239 --> 00:24:25.719
usually.

00:24:26.869 --> 00:24:27.339
OK.

00:24:27.939 --> 00:24:28.459
Um,

00:24:28.579 --> 00:24:29.219
and I mean,

00:24:29.300 --> 00:24:29.640
I,

00:24:29.939 --> 00:24:32.239
I always tell people if they buy more coffee then

00:24:32.660 --> 00:24:33.359
just freeze them,

00:24:33.540 --> 00:24:33.780
yeah,

00:24:34.060 --> 00:24:34.550
so

00:24:34.699 --> 00:24:35.300
I also freeze,

00:24:35.420 --> 00:24:36.540
I also freeze coffee here in,

00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:37.729
in the shop because I like,

00:24:37.780 --> 00:24:37.939
uh,

00:24:38.060 --> 00:24:38.739
I breed those,

00:24:38.819 --> 00:24:39.060
um,

00:24:39.140 --> 00:24:39.540
for example,

00:24:39.699 --> 00:24:40.640
my free the coffee

00:24:41.219 --> 00:24:43.119
doses and I just keep them in the freezer.

00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:43.660
Um,

00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:45.560
usually I freeze them after,

00:24:46.140 --> 00:24:46.349
yeah,

00:24:46.699 --> 00:24:48.010
2 to 3 weeks,

00:24:48.040 --> 00:24:48.369
um,

00:24:48.500 --> 00:24:49.219
after roasting.

00:24:49.890 --> 00:24:51.479
So I've always perfectly fresh coffee.

00:24:52.469 --> 00:24:52.670
What,

00:24:52.790 --> 00:24:53.930
what I would say,

00:24:54.020 --> 00:24:54.880
um,

00:24:54.949 --> 00:24:57.589
myself is that we do hear a lot from folks

00:24:57.589 --> 00:25:00.189
that this is one of the advantages of roasting yourself,

00:25:00.229 --> 00:25:02.189
is that you can control that timeline.

00:25:02.310 --> 00:25:02.979
So you can,

00:25:03.329 --> 00:25:03.770
you know,

00:25:04.069 --> 00:25:04.229
you,

00:25:04.349 --> 00:25:04.630
whether,

00:25:04.709 --> 00:25:06.109
whether it's some,

00:25:06.310 --> 00:25:07.260
some believe,

00:25:07.270 --> 00:25:07.500
uh,

00:25:07.510 --> 00:25:08.630
more for pour-overs,

00:25:08.750 --> 00:25:08.949
you know,

00:25:09.189 --> 00:25:10.569
535 days

00:25:10.989 --> 00:25:12.829
might be a good off-gas period for espresso,

00:25:12.910 --> 00:25:13.910
maybe a little bit longer.

00:25:14.229 --> 00:25:16.729
But regardless of what you feel is absolute peak,

00:25:17.250 --> 00:25:17.670
Um,

00:25:17.810 --> 00:25:18.010
when,

00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:20.489
and it's really when the origins are expressing themselves,

00:25:20.569 --> 00:25:21.410
you're getting all the,

00:25:21.530 --> 00:25:21.739
the,

00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:23.589
the nuance of the origin.

00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:24.310
Um,

00:25:24.829 --> 00:25:26.229
when you're roasting yourself,

00:25:26.329 --> 00:25:28.400
you decide when the best time to,

00:25:28.650 --> 00:25:30.050
to serve and sell the coffee is.

00:25:30.089 --> 00:25:32.050
And you have complete control over that.

00:25:32.369 --> 00:25:32.650
Um,

00:25:32.729 --> 00:25:33.160
you're not,

00:25:33.290 --> 00:25:35.800
you're not waiting on shipping from roasted coffee or,

00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:36.160
or,

00:25:36.239 --> 00:25:37.109
or something like that.

00:25:37.209 --> 00:25:37.530
So that,

00:25:37.609 --> 00:25:38.189
that is

00:25:38.369 --> 00:25:39.680
feedback that we get that,

00:25:39.810 --> 00:25:42.339
that cafe owners really like about roasting themselves.

00:25:43.869 --> 00:25:44.150
Yeah.

00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:46.959
So Joseph asks,

00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:47.270
uh,

00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:49.180
since you're a new business and operator,

00:25:49.280 --> 00:25:51.060
without knowing how many sales you'll generate,

00:25:51.760 --> 00:25:55.000
how much operating capital did you start with when you opened day one?

00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.260
It can be a percentage or estimated value.

00:25:57.800 --> 00:25:58.079
So,

00:25:58.239 --> 00:25:58.939
so,

00:25:59.280 --> 00:26:01.239
this is maybe a sensitive information,

00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:03.699
so you can decide to answer this one,

00:26:04.040 --> 00:26:04.189
how,

00:26:04.349 --> 00:26:05.099
how you'd like.

00:26:05.239 --> 00:26:05.699
Um,

00:26:06.280 --> 00:26:06.579
so,

00:26:06.719 --> 00:26:07.310
so

00:26:07.479 --> 00:26:08.099
I'll leave that to you,

00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:08.680
Robert.

00:26:10.290 --> 00:26:10.719
Well,

00:26:11.250 --> 00:26:11.770
it's,

00:26:12.020 --> 00:26:13.579
I don't want to go into much detail here but you know,

00:26:13.729 --> 00:26:13.890
I,

00:26:13.959 --> 00:26:16.729
I was lucky enough to have saved some capital for,

00:26:16.810 --> 00:26:17.010
you know,

00:26:17.130 --> 00:26:18.829
for the investments that had to be made here.

00:26:18.890 --> 00:26:19.430
um,

00:26:19.729 --> 00:26:21.790
got a loan from the bank obviously as well.

00:26:22.130 --> 00:26:22.910
Um,

00:26:23.010 --> 00:26:23.369
so,

00:26:23.489 --> 00:26:25.880
and I mean with coffee and even if you,

00:26:25.930 --> 00:26:27.510
if you're a new business operator,

00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:27.760
it's,

00:26:27.890 --> 00:26:29.729
you can make money from day one,

00:26:29.849 --> 00:26:30.229
right?

00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:31.229
So,

00:26:31.250 --> 00:26:32.410
um,

00:26:33.459 --> 00:26:34.050
And I,

00:26:34.260 --> 00:26:36.140
so what I also did is like I was trying

00:26:36.140 --> 00:26:38.729
to build some kind of community on my social media,

00:26:38.739 --> 00:26:39.520
for example,

00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:42.459
before I even opened the cafe which then gave me like a,

00:26:42.569 --> 00:26:43.260
a kickstart.

00:26:44.619 --> 00:26:45.930
But I mean,

00:26:46.219 --> 00:26:46.579
you know,

00:26:46.859 --> 00:26:47.650
payroll in my case,

00:26:47.699 --> 00:26:51.270
it's just myself so I don't need to worry too much about uh,

00:26:51.390 --> 00:26:51.530
uh,

00:26:51.579 --> 00:26:54.020
I hadn't have to worry about the um

00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:55.000
payroll.

00:26:56.890 --> 00:26:57.420
So that I,

00:26:57.569 --> 00:27:00.650
I can't really um give you an exact number because there's

00:27:00.650 --> 00:27:03.170
so many um things that we need to consider here.

00:27:03.609 --> 00:27:03.959
But,

00:27:03.969 --> 00:27:04.790
um,

00:27:05.609 --> 00:27:05.770
the,

00:27:05.849 --> 00:27:09.329
the one advice that I can give you is that you probably will need more

00:27:09.329 --> 00:27:12.640
money than you have planned to spend because there was always some costs that,

00:27:12.650 --> 00:27:13.150
uh,

00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:14.140
you didn't think about.

00:27:14.290 --> 00:27:14.750
Um,

00:27:14.770 --> 00:27:16.209
so keep some,

00:27:16.810 --> 00:27:17.369
some on the side,

00:27:17.410 --> 00:27:18.550
but I think there are,

00:27:19.089 --> 00:27:19.520
um,

00:27:19.530 --> 00:27:19.709
yeah,

00:27:19.930 --> 00:27:23.250
there's enough information online uh which give advice regarding that,

00:27:23.290 --> 00:27:23.469
yeah.

00:27:24.020 --> 00:27:24.260
Yeah.

00:27:24.339 --> 00:27:24.780
And Joseph,

00:27:24.859 --> 00:27:25.579
I would say we,

00:27:25.699 --> 00:27:26.020
we,

00:27:26.140 --> 00:27:28.739
we did a blog recently where we did a survey of,

00:27:28.829 --> 00:27:30.180
of the costs of,

00:27:30.300 --> 00:27:31.739
of various types of equipment,

00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:32.420
rent,

00:27:32.540 --> 00:27:33.130
um,

00:27:33.500 --> 00:27:33.969
uh,

00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:34.300
you know,

00:27:34.459 --> 00:27:34.739
labor,

00:27:34.810 --> 00:27:35.380
etc.

00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:35.699
uh,

00:27:35.819 --> 00:27:36.859
and did an estimate of,

00:27:36.930 --> 00:27:38.479
of the startup costs for a cafe.

00:27:38.540 --> 00:27:41.160
So you can check that out on the Bellwether Coffee blog.

00:27:41.699 --> 00:27:42.339
Um,

00:27:43.280 --> 00:27:44.040
So

00:27:44.910 --> 00:27:46.160
What Catherine asked,

00:27:46.280 --> 00:27:49.829
what origin coffee would you recommend roasting as a new business owner?

00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:50.469
Maybe what,

00:27:50.479 --> 00:27:50.959
what's the,

00:27:51.020 --> 00:27:52.420
what's a good one to get started?

00:27:54.650 --> 00:27:55.209
Well,

00:27:55.729 --> 00:27:56.050
so

00:27:56.170 --> 00:28:00.609
I bought the most green coffee from a Brazilian coffee in the beginning because I,

00:28:00.750 --> 00:28:02.329
like from the flavor profile,

00:28:02.369 --> 00:28:05.839
I knew that uh people will like it here in Vienna.

00:28:06.089 --> 00:28:07.869
So I think this is what you have to consider

00:28:08.010 --> 00:28:08.890
what kind of coffee,

00:28:09.010 --> 00:28:13.089
what kind of flavor profile you should or need to offer in your cafe.

00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:15.060
So I think that's the first question.

00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:15.430
And then,

00:28:15.439 --> 00:28:15.719
of course,

00:28:15.790 --> 00:28:16.250
you can

00:28:17.280 --> 00:28:20.050
Offer some additional coffees like uh the Ethiopian that I,

00:28:20.130 --> 00:28:20.969
I mentioned before,

00:28:21.010 --> 00:28:23.170
like super fruity espresso and yeah,

00:28:23.270 --> 00:28:23.670
but

00:28:24.250 --> 00:28:25.920
um definitely Brazil,

00:28:26.130 --> 00:28:30.390
the one that I had was or still is the best seller uh in terms of

00:28:31.010 --> 00:28:32.310
making drinks in

00:28:32.530 --> 00:28:32.729
the,

00:28:32.810 --> 00:28:35.770
in the cafe but also like from selling bags in the cafe.

00:28:36.800 --> 00:28:37.040
And,

00:28:37.150 --> 00:28:37.599
and Catherine,

00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:38.199
I'll say,

00:28:38.280 --> 00:28:38.550
uh,

00:28:38.560 --> 00:28:39.760
if you go with Bellwether,

00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:40.079
um,

00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:40.520
we have a,

00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.400
we have a great coffee team that will work with you to,

00:28:43.560 --> 00:28:44.739
to send samples,

00:28:44.800 --> 00:28:45.140
uh,

00:28:45.150 --> 00:28:46.180
of roasted coffee,

00:28:46.349 --> 00:28:47.000
and you can,

00:28:47.140 --> 00:28:48.880
you can sort of determine what you like.

00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:50.420
They'll help you plan your menu,

00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:51.150
uh,

00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:52.880
as much or as little as you like.

00:28:53.040 --> 00:28:53.219
Uh,

00:28:53.239 --> 00:28:53.989
if you like that,

00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:54.630
that service,

00:28:54.709 --> 00:28:55.540
they will provide it.

00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:57.239
We will provide it to you.

00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:58.079
So you can,

00:28:58.199 --> 00:28:59.020
you can sort of

00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:00.680
just discover what you like.

00:29:00.770 --> 00:29:00.780
Some,

00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:02.819
some of our customers do

00:29:02.949 --> 00:29:05.040
cuppings or tastings um for,

00:29:05.140 --> 00:29:07.099
for some of their best customers to decide

00:29:07.609 --> 00:29:08.359
uh what they like.

00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:09.520
And so you can,

00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:12.000
we will help you put that plan together if you,

00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:13.000
if you would like us to.

00:29:14.569 --> 00:29:14.989
Um,

00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:15.770
Philip asked,

00:29:15.890 --> 00:29:17.640
do your packages have valves?

00:29:17.650 --> 00:29:19.089
I couldn't tell from the picture.

00:29:20.239 --> 00:29:20.439
Yeah,

00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:21.280
they do.

00:29:21.719 --> 00:29:22.180
So

00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:24.719
you see it in the back.

00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:27.119
OK.

00:29:28.339 --> 00:29:28.459
Yeah,

00:29:28.510 --> 00:29:29.430
that's a beautiful bag.

00:29:29.469 --> 00:29:30.500
I really like that

00:29:30.709 --> 00:29:30.969
design.

00:29:31.109 --> 00:29:31.540
-- Thank
-- you.

00:29:31.910 --> 00:29:32.260
Yeah.

00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:34.060
It's uh the red,

00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:35.020
the red really,

00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:35.760
it pops,

00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:36.819
it's nice.

00:29:37.199 --> 00:29:37.939
Um,

00:29:38.239 --> 00:29:40.339
and what is the capacity of the machine?

00:29:40.989 --> 00:29:41.439
Uh,

00:29:41.719 --> 00:29:42.189
so.

00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:44.140
I can answer that one.

00:29:44.520 --> 00:29:45.500
Robert has,

00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:45.750
uh,

00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:46.160
so the,

00:29:46.199 --> 00:29:46.469
the,

00:29:46.520 --> 00:29:48.630
the batch size is 1.5 kg.

00:29:48.709 --> 00:29:50.849
Robert has the continuous roasting option.

00:29:51.239 --> 00:29:54.400
So you can load up to 2020 kg,

00:29:54.650 --> 00:29:54.829
um,

00:29:54.869 --> 00:29:56.500
and it will continually roast,

00:29:56.560 --> 00:29:56.910
uh,

00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:58.560
single batches until it's done.

00:29:58.680 --> 00:29:58.959
Robert,

00:29:59.040 --> 00:30:00.979
I don't know if you would add anything from your

00:30:01.239 --> 00:30:02.000
observations.

00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:03.469
Yeah,

00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:03.880
I mean,

00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:04.339
that's,

00:30:04.439 --> 00:30:05.199
that's pretty much it.

00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:08.140
So you have a 1.5 kg batch size and you can

00:30:08.280 --> 00:30:09.219
use the single,

00:30:10.040 --> 00:30:14.199
single batch roasting mode so you switch coffees all the time if you have to or

00:30:14.520 --> 00:30:16.859
continuous roasting if you need to do more from one coffee.

00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:17.640
So

00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:18.300
like

00:30:18.520 --> 00:30:18.920
two weeks ago,

00:30:18.959 --> 00:30:20.339
I think I roasted like

00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:22.560
12 kg green coffee from Brazil.

00:30:23.209 --> 00:30:23.729
Um,

00:30:23.810 --> 00:30:24.930
with continuous roasting,

00:30:25.050 --> 00:30:25.530
uh,

00:30:25.890 --> 00:30:29.209
and that's super convenient because you don't need to do much in between.

00:30:29.650 --> 00:30:30.270
That's great.

00:30:30.890 --> 00:30:32.650
Big advantage of the continuous roasting,

00:30:32.729 --> 00:30:32.959
uh,

00:30:32.969 --> 00:30:33.469
kit.

00:30:34.349 --> 00:30:35.040
Yeah,

00:30:35.430 --> 00:30:36.099
um,

00:30:36.589 --> 00:30:37.030
and,

00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:38.010
uh,

00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:38.709
oh,

00:30:38.829 --> 00:30:39.630
Andres,

00:30:39.709 --> 00:30:40.369
uh,

00:30:40.829 --> 00:30:41.390
thanks you.

00:30:41.469 --> 00:30:43.869
He says we visited Robert last year to check his setup,

00:30:43.949 --> 00:30:45.609
but now we're roasting in Budapest.

00:30:45.979 --> 00:30:46.069
Uh,

00:30:46.150 --> 00:30:47.270
we do specialty too.

00:30:47.510 --> 00:30:47.619
Hi,

00:30:47.630 --> 00:30:48.530
Robert.

00:30:49.709 --> 00:30:49.790
Hey,

00:30:49.829 --> 00:30:50.530
Andres.

00:30:50.949 --> 00:30:51.650
OK.

00:30:51.989 --> 00:30:52.310
Um,

00:30:52.390 --> 00:30:53.469
and then Patrick,

00:30:53.869 --> 00:30:54.829
Patrick asks,

00:30:54.949 --> 00:30:58.750
which would you recommend gas or electric roaster for a small business roaster?

00:31:02.020 --> 00:31:02.319
I mean,

00:31:02.329 --> 00:31:02.770
for me,

00:31:02.939 --> 00:31:05.199
it was clear that the only option is to go electric.

00:31:05.420 --> 00:31:06.530
I think it makes sense um

00:31:07.260 --> 00:31:07.599
in

00:31:07.739 --> 00:31:09.099
many ways and it's,

00:31:09.140 --> 00:31:10.339
it's super easy to install.

00:31:10.459 --> 00:31:10.949
Um,

00:31:11.219 --> 00:31:11.300
yeah,

00:31:11.380 --> 00:31:13.979
we put a new electric uh line here and that was it.

00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:14.260
Yeah,

00:31:14.410 --> 00:31:15.099
super simple.

00:31:15.949 --> 00:31:16.459
Um,

00:31:16.699 --> 00:31:17.369
little investment,

00:31:17.650 --> 00:31:18.310
so that's,

00:31:18.390 --> 00:31:18.670
yeah.

00:31:19.609 --> 00:31:20.969
Definitely the way to go for me.

00:31:21.949 --> 00:31:22.670
OK.

00:31:22.989 --> 00:31:23.550
And Anga,

00:31:23.670 --> 00:31:23.790
we'll,

00:31:23.869 --> 00:31:24.910
we'll take a few more.

00:31:25.130 --> 00:31:25.189
Are,

00:31:25.329 --> 00:31:26.349
are you OK on time,

00:31:26.410 --> 00:31:26.910
Robert?

00:31:27.150 --> 00:31:27.920
I know it's getting late.

00:31:28.030 --> 00:31:28.109
Yeah,

00:31:28.219 --> 00:31:28.689
I have like,

00:31:28.780 --> 00:31:29.109
uh,

00:31:29.329 --> 00:31:30.310
10 more minutes should be fine.

00:31:31.109 --> 00:31:31.489
OK,

00:31:31.589 --> 00:31:32.739
so we'll take a few more.

00:31:33.109 --> 00:31:33.349
Um,

00:31:33.469 --> 00:31:33.609
Anga,

00:31:34.469 --> 00:31:35.390
from your experience,

00:31:35.469 --> 00:31:37.410
how do you approach roast profile design,

00:31:38.030 --> 00:31:38.150
uh,

00:31:38.189 --> 00:31:40.150
when the system limits independent control of

00:31:40.150 --> 00:31:42.319
drying my yard and development phases?

00:31:45.349 --> 00:31:45.589
I mean,

00:31:45.630 --> 00:31:48.329
I have only designed like my

00:31:48.619 --> 00:31:51.189
individual roast profiles a couple of times now because I,

00:31:51.260 --> 00:31:51.589
as I said,

00:31:51.619 --> 00:31:52.959
I was mostly buying

00:31:53.150 --> 00:31:55.910
or using roasting coffee that I bought from Bellwether which then,

00:31:56.619 --> 00:31:56.939
you know,

00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:57.800
the coffees,

00:31:57.900 --> 00:31:58.060
uh,

00:31:58.069 --> 00:31:58.989
the coffee profiles,

00:31:59.130 --> 00:32:00.349
those profiles come with it.

00:32:00.510 --> 00:32:02.380
So this was um very,

00:32:02.390 --> 00:32:03.060
um,

00:32:03.239 --> 00:32:04.329
it worked very well.

00:32:04.750 --> 00:32:08.670
But I also roasted like um coffee from Colombia from a different producer

00:32:08.670 --> 00:32:12.670
or Kenyan coffee and once I did also consult with the uh,

00:32:13.430 --> 00:32:14.069
Velveter coffee team.

00:32:14.790 --> 00:32:16.109
Which then also helped me to,

00:32:16.189 --> 00:32:16.390
you know,

00:32:16.550 --> 00:32:18.790
create a new uh profile for a Kenyan coffee,

00:32:18.829 --> 00:32:19.420
for example,

00:32:19.430 --> 00:32:20.030
and yeah,

00:32:20.349 --> 00:32:21.689
results were still great

00:32:22.150 --> 00:32:22.949
and

00:32:23.589 --> 00:32:26.739
I think what you're referring to is also like the the

00:32:26.739 --> 00:32:30.349
different phases and um I really think that there was an

00:32:31.020 --> 00:32:31.569
like an

00:32:32.540 --> 00:32:36.719
update to the uh how the profiles are shown in the um

00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.640
in the bellwell account so you can be even more flexible now

00:32:39.750 --> 00:32:40.130
and

00:32:40.420 --> 00:32:41.180
like define

00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:44.339
the phases that develop development time and things like that.

00:32:44.699 --> 00:32:45.459
So yeah,

00:32:45.540 --> 00:32:48.650
I think even creating a new profile if you know what you're doing is super simple,

00:32:49.459 --> 00:32:49.660
yeah.

00:32:51.170 --> 00:32:51.939
Um,

00:32:52.349 --> 00:32:52.829
so Chris,

00:32:52.939 --> 00:32:55.729
do you know of anyone that's running the bellwether off of batteries?

00:32:55.910 --> 00:32:56.489
Um,

00:32:56.910 --> 00:32:57.890
I do not.

00:32:58.270 --> 00:32:58.410
We,

00:32:58.510 --> 00:32:58.829
we,

00:32:58.920 --> 00:32:59.329
uh,

00:32:59.510 --> 00:33:00.709
so James Hoffman,

00:33:00.869 --> 00:33:01.219
um,

00:33:01.469 --> 00:33:01.630
a,

00:33:01.709 --> 00:33:03.130
a few years ago did a,

00:33:03.910 --> 00:33:08.130
did an experiment where he ran a bellwether off of solar power in the desert.

00:33:08.670 --> 00:33:09.550
So essentially,

00:33:09.670 --> 00:33:12.250
and I'm sure there's a solar power and battery backup,

00:33:12.310 --> 00:33:12.560
uh,

00:33:12.569 --> 00:33:13.050
set up.

00:33:13.270 --> 00:33:14.729
I think you could do that.

00:33:15.180 --> 00:33:15.459
Um,

00:33:15.540 --> 00:33:15.819
but I,

00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:19.479
I'm not aware of anyone in a commercial environment that's using batteries.

00:33:19.579 --> 00:33:19.699
Uh,

00:33:19.739 --> 00:33:19.979
it's a,

00:33:20.060 --> 00:33:21.780
it's a fairly standard commercial outlet.

00:33:21.890 --> 00:33:22.160
Uh,

00:33:22.300 --> 00:33:22.619
Robert,

00:33:22.689 --> 00:33:23.180
do you wanna,

00:33:23.459 --> 00:33:24.359
do you wanna talk about

00:33:24.500 --> 00:33:25.500
installation or,

00:33:25.609 --> 00:33:27.030
or the electrical setup?

00:33:27.130 --> 00:33:28.640
-- Was that fairly straightforward
-- for you?

00:33:29.510 --> 00:33:29.630
Yeah,

00:33:29.790 --> 00:33:29.920
of course,

00:33:30.109 --> 00:33:30.229
of course,

00:33:30.270 --> 00:33:30.459
I mean,

00:33:30.500 --> 00:33:33.150
there were a couple of things to clarify with the electricians,

00:33:33.229 --> 00:33:33.510
you know,

00:33:33.589 --> 00:33:34.709
in terms of how many,

00:33:34.869 --> 00:33:35.829
how many amps the,

00:33:35.979 --> 00:33:37.430
the coffee machine uses.

00:33:37.550 --> 00:33:37.939
So,

00:33:37.949 --> 00:33:38.530
um,

00:33:38.670 --> 00:33:38.859
yeah,

00:33:38.989 --> 00:33:39.420
but

00:33:39.670 --> 00:33:39.989
in the end,

00:33:40.030 --> 00:33:41.209
there is like um

00:33:41.310 --> 00:33:42.599
instructions from Bellwether,

00:33:42.790 --> 00:33:43.060
uh,

00:33:43.069 --> 00:33:44.650
even for the electricians,

00:33:44.670 --> 00:33:44.900
uh,

00:33:44.910 --> 00:33:46.390
for the European market and yeah,

00:33:46.550 --> 00:33:48.839
we figured it out and it was then easy to install.

00:33:50.650 --> 00:33:51.469
So then,

00:33:51.530 --> 00:33:52.209
um,

00:33:52.449 --> 00:33:52.849
Oscar,

00:33:52.930 --> 00:33:54.250
this is a good question we get a lot.

00:33:54.329 --> 00:33:56.959
Do you need special permits to roast coffee in Vienna,

00:33:56.969 --> 00:33:58.209
and is it hard to get them?

00:34:00.510 --> 00:34:01.469
Um,

00:34:02.670 --> 00:34:02.819
Well,

00:34:02.869 --> 00:34:03.380
this is,

00:34:03.469 --> 00:34:04.989
I think something that no one can

00:34:05.229 --> 00:34:06.780
100% answer right now because,

00:34:06.790 --> 00:34:06.949
you know,

00:34:07.030 --> 00:34:08.629
this was the first rowing machine

00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.168
uh in Vienna like this and uh

00:34:13.909 --> 00:34:16.728
I'm currently like in the process of

00:34:16.949 --> 00:34:19.489
kind of renewing the permit for the space here,

00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:20.750
um,

00:34:20.989 --> 00:34:21.469
but

00:34:21.629 --> 00:34:22.610
in terms of

00:34:23.110 --> 00:34:24.870
how often I use it and how much I roast,

00:34:24.949 --> 00:34:25.889
it shouldn't be an issue.

00:34:26.810 --> 00:34:28.389
I mean if you want to be on the safe side,

00:34:28.889 --> 00:34:30.438
like anywhere you're roasting,

00:34:30.489 --> 00:34:30.989
um,

00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:33.708
then you can always check in advance but I

00:34:33.929 --> 00:34:37.149
did not and I can tell you now that uh like the

00:34:38.050 --> 00:34:40.520
Emission parts like smell or smoke or anything,

00:34:40.600 --> 00:34:41.429
it's like so,

00:34:41.500 --> 00:34:43.719
so little that I'm not worried at all.

00:34:44.080 --> 00:34:44.629
Um,

00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:45.000
but yeah,

00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:45.918
paperwork,

00:34:46.120 --> 00:34:48.719
especially in Austria is never a fun thing or I guess

00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.300
anywhere in the world it's not a fun thing to do,

00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:51.149
but yeah,

00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:53.570
so far I didn't have any issues with the permits.

00:34:54.040 --> 00:34:54.418
Yeah,

00:34:54.560 --> 00:34:54.918
Oscar,

00:34:54.958 --> 00:34:56.020
I can say,

00:34:56.389 --> 00:34:56.879
go ahead.

00:34:57.489 --> 00:34:57.610
Yeah,

00:34:57.689 --> 00:34:57.929
sorry.

00:34:58.090 --> 00:34:58.250
I mean,

00:34:58.330 --> 00:35:01.649
I know it does vary a lot in like from country to country,

00:35:01.689 --> 00:35:03.520
but in Vienna they are rather strict,

00:35:03.669 --> 00:35:08.419
I think when it comes to like emissions from like a cafe like this or from a roaster,

00:35:09.050 --> 00:35:09.560
but yeah,

00:35:09.629 --> 00:35:10.429
um

00:35:10.969 --> 00:35:11.129
yeah,

00:35:11.290 --> 00:35:11.770
so far,

00:35:11.780 --> 00:35:12.209
no issues.

00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:13.320
Yes.

00:35:13.439 --> 00:35:13.560
I,

00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:14.080
Oscar,

00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:14.320
I,

00:35:14.399 --> 00:35:15.239
I know it varies.

00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:16.320
I'm not sure where you're,

00:35:16.520 --> 00:35:17.080
you're based.

00:35:17.139 --> 00:35:19.360
And I know it varies a lot by location.

00:35:19.479 --> 00:35:20.149
But one of the,

00:35:20.300 --> 00:35:23.239
the feedback that we get is that a lot of people,

00:35:23.479 --> 00:35:24.360
especially in,

00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:25.639
in cities,

00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:26.070
um,

00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:27.620
and historic buildings,

00:35:27.989 --> 00:35:28.159
uh,

00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.040
this is the only way that they could roast.

00:35:30.149 --> 00:35:30.370
And it,

00:35:30.429 --> 00:35:32.520
it typically does not require a permit because

00:35:32.520 --> 00:35:34.520
you're not making alterations to the building.

00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:35.239
You're just,

00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:36.540
you're just plugging in,

00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:37.149
uh,

00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:37.399
you're,

00:35:37.479 --> 00:35:39.159
you're plugging in electric appliance,

00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:39.389
uh,

00:35:39.399 --> 00:35:40.840
like any other appliance in your,

00:35:40.989 --> 00:35:41.379
in your,

00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:42.100
um,

00:35:42.929 --> 00:35:43.169
Uh,

00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:43.530
in your,

00:35:43.610 --> 00:35:44.129
in your,

00:35:44.250 --> 00:35:44.850
in your building.

00:35:44.909 --> 00:35:48.300
It's easier even than an espresso machine because you don't have to run

00:35:48.770 --> 00:35:50.209
a water line to it.

00:35:50.489 --> 00:35:50.850
Um,

00:35:50.929 --> 00:35:52.729
and much easier than a gas roaster,

00:35:52.770 --> 00:35:55.040
which would obviously require a gas line,

00:35:55.330 --> 00:35:55.810
vents,

00:35:55.850 --> 00:35:56.530
ducts,

00:35:56.610 --> 00:35:57.120
um,

00:35:57.409 --> 00:35:57.649
you know,

00:35:57.850 --> 00:35:58.429
afterburner,

00:35:58.489 --> 00:35:58.919
etc.

00:35:59.090 --> 00:35:59.469
So

00:35:59.770 --> 00:36:01.550
permitting is usually a big advantage,

00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:02.080
uh,

00:36:02.090 --> 00:36:02.989
for the bellwether.

00:36:03.209 --> 00:36:03.770
Um,

00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:05.620
So,

00:36:06.060 --> 00:36:08.090
how is the heat generated?

00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:08.540
Uh,

00:36:08.620 --> 00:36:09.199
so I can

00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:09.979
answer that.

00:36:10.060 --> 00:36:10.300
It's,

00:36:10.419 --> 00:36:10.860
it's a,

00:36:11.020 --> 00:36:11.500
it's a,

00:36:11.860 --> 00:36:12.679
it's electric,

00:36:12.699 --> 00:36:13.100
and then it,

00:36:13.179 --> 00:36:13.620
it's,

00:36:13.780 --> 00:36:16.340
it's a combination of conduction and convection.

00:36:16.459 --> 00:36:16.909
So

00:36:17.139 --> 00:36:17.459
there's a,

00:36:17.580 --> 00:36:18.739
there's a metal drum,

00:36:19.010 --> 00:36:19.209
uh,

00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:19.959
and hot air,

00:36:20.260 --> 00:36:20.610
um,

00:36:20.620 --> 00:36:20.739
that,

00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:21.969
that moves through the roaster.

00:36:22.419 --> 00:36:22.540
Not,

00:36:22.629 --> 00:36:24.080
not dissimilar from a lot of,

00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:24.419
you know,

00:36:24.489 --> 00:36:25.739
any other electric roaster.

00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:29.360
Um,

00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.280
do you ever pair coffee with a water profile?

00:36:33.560 --> 00:36:34.399
-- Catherine
-- asks.

00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:35.540
Mhm

00:36:36.399 --> 00:36:37.020
Um,

00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:40.199
I did in the past at home but not here in the cafe yet.

00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:41.540
So I'm using like a standard,

00:36:41.600 --> 00:36:42.159
um,

00:36:42.169 --> 00:36:43.239
filtration system here.

00:36:43.449 --> 00:36:43.719
I mean,

00:36:43.830 --> 00:36:44.149
in general,

00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:45.439
we have pretty good water in Vienna,

00:36:45.479 --> 00:36:48.320
but I use a filtration system and use it for all the coffees currently.

00:36:50.350 --> 00:36:51.159
Um,

00:36:51.520 --> 00:36:52.000
the,

00:36:52.219 --> 00:36:52.860
does it,

00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:53.239
OK,

00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:56.760
does it bag them too or hold them until you're ready to bag?

00:36:56.919 --> 00:36:57.280
I'm not,

00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:58.899
I don't completely understand that

00:36:59.479 --> 00:36:59.699
question.

00:37:01.540 --> 00:37:02.290
I mean,

00:37:02.580 --> 00:37:02.959
so

00:37:03.060 --> 00:37:04.860
I can maybe show you here on the,

00:37:05.060 --> 00:37:07.189
if you see that like in the bottom of the,

00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:08.239
of the

00:37:08.419 --> 00:37:09.219
continuous roasting kit,

00:37:09.260 --> 00:37:10.610
there's like this big uh

00:37:10.820 --> 00:37:11.350
um

00:37:11.540 --> 00:37:12.590
bean container,

00:37:12.790 --> 00:37:13.459
and if you're,

00:37:13.540 --> 00:37:17.580
this is super helpful if you're using the continuous roasting kit because it also

00:37:17.580 --> 00:37:20.479
fits up to I think 20 kg of roasted coffee in the bottom.

00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:24.310
So if you are in continuous roasting mode and you roast more coffee,

00:37:24.399 --> 00:37:27.129
you do not need to worry about um

00:37:27.399 --> 00:37:27.699
like

00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:29.600
having to move the coffee out of the

00:37:29.600 --> 00:37:32.239
roast until the continuous roasting session is finished.

00:37:32.969 --> 00:37:33.770
But after that,

00:37:33.810 --> 00:37:35.310
they usually put them in,

00:37:35.489 --> 00:37:35.770
I mean,

00:37:35.850 --> 00:37:37.510
I either package them right away

00:37:37.649 --> 00:37:39.889
or put them in some bigger containers and then store them.

00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:41.840
OK.

00:37:42.879 --> 00:37:43.699
Um,

00:37:43.850 --> 00:37:44.169
and,

00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.149
and one more,

00:37:46.370 --> 00:37:49.649
does Bellwether change the roast profiles for the beans year after

00:37:49.649 --> 00:37:52.389
year to account for the changes in density of the beans?

00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:53.270
Um,

00:37:53.649 --> 00:37:54.449
so we,

00:37:54.610 --> 00:37:54.989
we,

00:37:55.129 --> 00:37:56.850
we get for each new lot,

00:37:56.969 --> 00:37:57.830
we'll do,

00:37:57.850 --> 00:37:58.159
uh,

00:37:58.169 --> 00:37:59.629
extensive testing,

00:37:59.729 --> 00:38:00.429
um,

00:38:00.770 --> 00:38:01.110
uh,

00:38:01.120 --> 00:38:01.290
at,

00:38:01.399 --> 00:38:03.129
at HQ to determine the rope,

00:38:03.250 --> 00:38:03.409
you know,

00:38:03.510 --> 00:38:04.510
roast profiles.

00:38:04.770 --> 00:38:06.010
And we'll typically create a,

00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:06.290
you know,

00:38:06.330 --> 00:38:06.810
a light,

00:38:06.929 --> 00:38:07.510
a medium.

00:38:08.120 --> 00:38:08.669
Uh,

00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:10.540
medium dark espresso or a dark,

00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:10.959
you know,

00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:11.760
suggestion,

00:38:11.959 --> 00:38:12.110
you know,

00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:12.870
for each bean.

00:38:13.120 --> 00:38:13.479
Of course,

00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:14.760
customers can,

00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:15.360
uh,

00:38:15.479 --> 00:38:16.820
some customers prefer,

00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:17.360
you know,

00:38:17.479 --> 00:38:19.719
slightly different profile or slightly different,

00:38:19.879 --> 00:38:20.159
you know,

00:38:20.469 --> 00:38:21.679
taste profile for each bean,

00:38:21.790 --> 00:38:23.360
and customers can adjust them.

00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:24.040
Uh,

00:38:24.120 --> 00:38:24.800
but typically,

00:38:24.919 --> 00:38:25.080
we'll,

00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:25.560
we'll,

00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:26.479
for each lot,

00:38:26.600 --> 00:38:27.520
we will develop,

00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:28.120
um,

00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:29.100
we will develop

00:38:29.560 --> 00:38:31.100
distinct profiles for that lot,

00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:31.899
even if

00:38:32.350 --> 00:38:32.780
If it,

00:38:32.870 --> 00:38:35.149
it's a new lot from the same farm,

00:38:35.350 --> 00:38:35.620
um,

00:38:35.830 --> 00:38:36.669
because as you say,

00:38:36.750 --> 00:38:37.030
there are,

00:38:37.110 --> 00:38:37.469
there are,

00:38:37.590 --> 00:38:38.590
there are changes,

00:38:38.949 --> 00:38:39.209
uh,

00:38:39.229 --> 00:38:39.899
from lot to lot,

00:38:39.989 --> 00:38:40.790
from year to year,

00:38:40.949 --> 00:38:41.350
um,

00:38:41.590 --> 00:38:42.649
weather and everything else will,

00:38:42.709 --> 00:38:43.649
will change it.

00:38:44.570 --> 00:38:45.969
Um,

00:38:46.290 --> 00:38:46.679
oh,

00:38:46.969 --> 00:38:47.530
Joseph asked,

00:38:47.649 --> 00:38:49.090
where does the chaff go?

00:38:51.250 --> 00:38:52.830
Maybe you can show us that on the,

00:38:52.959 --> 00:38:53.350
on the,

00:38:53.370 --> 00:38:53.929
on the roster.

00:38:54.889 --> 00:38:55.399
So it's

00:38:55.570 --> 00:38:57.030
here it's like right next to the,

00:38:57.050 --> 00:38:57.479
uh,

00:38:57.489 --> 00:38:57.770
wait,

00:38:58.110 --> 00:38:58.330
where is,

00:38:58.379 --> 00:38:59.679
how do we move it here

00:39:00.169 --> 00:39:00.909
um

00:39:01.570 --> 00:39:05.699
next to the bean collector there's like the chaff container

00:39:06.169 --> 00:39:07.989
like chaff and water is gonna be

00:39:08.129 --> 00:39:09.209
um collected there

00:39:09.439 --> 00:39:10.479
and yeah,

00:39:10.600 --> 00:39:12.050
the machine even tells you

00:39:12.449 --> 00:39:13.679
when you have to empty it

00:39:14.010 --> 00:39:15.489
if you are on a continuous roasting session,

00:39:15.570 --> 00:39:15.889
for example,

00:39:15.969 --> 00:39:18.729
I think it's like 13 roasts if I'm not mistaken now.

00:39:19.429 --> 00:39:22.090
But then at least you need to empty a chair of water,

00:39:22.290 --> 00:39:22.620
um,

00:39:22.909 --> 00:39:23.429
but yeah,

00:39:23.669 --> 00:39:24.000
super easy,

00:39:24.110 --> 00:39:24.550
super simple.

00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:26.070
It's done in 2 minutes basically.

00:39:27.219 --> 00:39:27.830
Yeah.

00:39:28.300 --> 00:39:28.780
Um,

00:39:29.060 --> 00:39:29.489
does,

00:39:29.659 --> 00:39:29.820
and,

00:39:29.899 --> 00:39:30.419
and I'll just,

00:39:30.510 --> 00:39:33.219
I'll just answer the last two questions cause I know that,

00:39:33.419 --> 00:39:34.179
that Robert is,

00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:35.570
is just about out of time.

00:39:35.939 --> 00:39:37.360
So do we test beans for mold?

00:39:37.449 --> 00:39:38.010
Yes.

00:39:38.409 --> 00:39:39.659
And are they organic beans?

00:39:39.739 --> 00:39:41.459
We do have organic options.

00:39:41.580 --> 00:39:41.860
Um,

00:39:41.979 --> 00:39:42.179
there,

00:39:42.300 --> 00:39:44.320
there are some limitations around,

00:39:44.379 --> 00:39:44.860
uh,

00:39:44.939 --> 00:39:45.679
organic,

00:39:45.939 --> 00:39:46.479
like

00:39:46.739 --> 00:39:48.239
organic certification.

00:39:48.620 --> 00:39:49.399
Um,

00:39:49.580 --> 00:39:49.939
they're,

00:39:50.340 --> 00:39:52.239
most of the beans are organically grown,

00:39:52.459 --> 00:39:54.300
and we do have some organic options,

00:39:54.459 --> 00:39:54.610
uh,

00:39:54.699 --> 00:39:54.899
and,

00:39:54.979 --> 00:39:56.419
and some non-organic options.

00:39:57.020 --> 00:39:57.300
Um,

00:39:57.379 --> 00:39:57.510
oh,

00:39:57.590 --> 00:39:57.870
well,

00:39:58.030 --> 00:39:58.909
good question to end on.

00:39:58.989 --> 00:40:00.110
How noisy is the machine?

00:40:00.189 --> 00:40:01.850
You've got it right there in your cafe.

00:40:02.110 --> 00:40:02.310
Uh,

00:40:02.389 --> 00:40:04.409
so this is a good last question for Robert.

00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:06.489
Well,

00:40:06.620 --> 00:40:07.139
it,

00:40:07.459 --> 00:40:08.620
it does make some noise.

00:40:08.860 --> 00:40:09.179
I don't,

00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.659
I personally don't find it very annoying because like,

00:40:11.770 --> 00:40:12.510
it's like a,

00:40:12.899 --> 00:40:14.149
if you imagine like a fan

00:40:15.260 --> 00:40:15.919
on,

00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:17.040
um,

00:40:17.179 --> 00:40:17.860
so because like the,

00:40:17.969 --> 00:40:18.050
the,

00:40:18.100 --> 00:40:19.739
the heater and the fans are in the system,

00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:20.760
they do make some noise,

00:40:20.780 --> 00:40:21.909
but um,

00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:23.739
I

00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:24.899
don't think that

00:40:25.439 --> 00:40:26.679
people are very much bothered by that,

00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:27.179
to be honest.

00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:27.739
So,

00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:28.489
um,

00:40:28.919 --> 00:40:29.959
but I also mean,

00:40:30.040 --> 00:40:33.479
I do schedule my roasting usually more like at the end of the day,

00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:34.149
um,

00:40:34.290 --> 00:40:36.659
for the cafes are not so busy anymore and then like,

00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:37.270
uh,

00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.699
do it or like finish roasting when I'm like cleaning up the space or something.

00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:41.399
And I mean,

00:40:41.479 --> 00:40:43.399
I have a bit of a special situation here with the,

00:40:43.479 --> 00:40:43.600
you know,

00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:43.879
the,

00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:45.750
the co-working office space and next to it,

00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:46.159
so also,

00:40:46.270 --> 00:40:46.580
of course,

00:40:46.629 --> 00:40:47.110
need to,

00:40:47.120 --> 00:40:47.500
um,

00:40:47.919 --> 00:40:48.439
consider that.

00:40:49.110 --> 00:40:50.560
But I mean if you have the,

00:40:50.669 --> 00:40:52.790
the chance to see a roaster live in action,

00:40:52.870 --> 00:40:55.510
then you should definitely do it because this gives you the,

00:40:55.790 --> 00:40:55.850
yeah,

00:40:56.030 --> 00:40:57.209
just the best um

00:40:57.439 --> 00:40:57.909
um.

00:40:58.879 --> 00:40:59.340
Uh,

00:40:59.360 --> 00:40:59.439
yeah,

00:40:59.550 --> 00:41:00.879
the best you and you can,

00:41:01.040 --> 00:41:01.199
yeah,

00:41:01.399 --> 00:41:02.419
see to check it out.

00:41:02.919 --> 00:41:03.189
Yeah.

00:41:03.550 --> 00:41:03.560
How,

00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.389
how does it compare to the the sound of an espresso machine?

00:41:06.439 --> 00:41:08.199
I see you had a lamazoko there,

00:41:08.429 --> 00:41:08.679
you know,

00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:08.919
how,

00:41:09.040 --> 00:41:09.659
how does it?

00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:11.219
How does it,

00:41:11.260 --> 00:41:11.459
-- I
-- mean,

00:41:11.530 --> 00:41:12.300
uh,

00:41:13.209 --> 00:41:14.800
a grinder is definitely,

00:41:15.100 --> 00:41:15.219
uh,

00:41:15.229 --> 00:41:15.969
louder than,

00:41:15.979 --> 00:41:16.790
uh,

00:41:16.810 --> 00:41:16.870
uh,

00:41:17.020 --> 00:41:17.530
than the bellwera,

00:41:17.899 --> 00:41:18.489
um,

00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:19.179
but you know,

00:41:19.340 --> 00:41:21.129
the grinder is not on all the time,

00:41:21.850 --> 00:41:21.860
and,

00:41:22.060 --> 00:41:22.419
so

00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:23.760
I mean it does,

00:41:24.620 --> 00:41:25.179
it's.

00:41:25.939 --> 00:41:26.340
It's,

00:41:26.419 --> 00:41:27.300
it's a bit noisy,

00:41:27.419 --> 00:41:27.760
yeah,

00:41:27.899 --> 00:41:28.300
I mean,

00:41:28.379 --> 00:41:29.030
and I,

00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:29.860
uh,

00:41:30.379 --> 00:41:31.239
but I think

00:41:31.419 --> 00:41:33.219
it's doable in any,

00:41:33.540 --> 00:41:34.300
in this space,

00:41:34.459 --> 00:41:34.580
yeah,

00:41:34.739 --> 00:41:34.860
yeah.

00:41:35.060 --> 00:41:35.820
So to be honest,

00:41:35.969 --> 00:41:36.340
yeah.

00:41:36.739 --> 00:41:39.620
Most of our customers do have it in the cafe,

00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:39.899
you know,

00:41:40.219 --> 00:41:40.590
and they,

00:41:40.699 --> 00:41:42.360
they do roast during opening hours,

00:41:42.620 --> 00:41:43.239
I would say.

00:41:43.540 --> 00:41:43.909
Yeah,

00:41:44.179 --> 00:41:44.459
I think,

00:41:44.580 --> 00:41:45.020
but it's really,

00:41:45.310 --> 00:41:46.610
it very much depends on the space,

00:41:46.659 --> 00:41:46.820
you know,

00:41:46.899 --> 00:41:47.219
if it's,

00:41:47.330 --> 00:41:48.850
if it's like working for you there or not.

00:41:48.899 --> 00:41:50.360
If you have like a super small,

00:41:50.550 --> 00:41:50.979
uh,

00:41:51.100 --> 00:41:51.620
quiet space,

00:41:51.659 --> 00:41:53.379
then it might be a bit too noisy or not,

00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:53.689
but,

00:41:53.699 --> 00:41:53.969
um,

00:41:53.979 --> 00:41:54.520
if you can.

00:41:55.010 --> 00:41:58.090
Integrated well in the space and you have uh um yeah,

00:41:58.300 --> 00:41:59.050
also some

00:41:59.780 --> 00:42:00.580
Um,

00:42:00.860 --> 00:42:01.280
you know,

00:42:01.379 --> 00:42:01.989
uh,

00:42:02.429 --> 00:42:03.600
like soundproof,

00:42:03.770 --> 00:42:03.979
uh,

00:42:04.060 --> 00:42:05.540
isolation in the room and whatever,

00:42:05.620 --> 00:42:06.860
then definitely it's not,

00:42:07.020 --> 00:42:07.860
not an issue.

00:42:08.540 --> 00:42:09.090
-- All
-- right.

00:42:09.429 --> 00:42:09.500
Well,

00:42:09.580 --> 00:42:09.939
Robert,

00:42:10.060 --> 00:42:11.080
thank you so much,

00:42:11.139 --> 00:42:11.489
uh,

00:42:11.500 --> 00:42:12.600
for taking time,

00:42:12.620 --> 00:42:12.889
uh,

00:42:12.899 --> 00:42:13.760
out of your afternoon,

00:42:14.100 --> 00:42:14.370
uh,

00:42:14.379 --> 00:42:15.840
to answer all of our questions.

00:42:16.100 --> 00:42:16.600
Um,

00:42:17.459 --> 00:42:17.820
Uh,

00:42:17.879 --> 00:42:19.379
Robert Mitt Moz Gruber,

00:42:19.580 --> 00:42:20.239
um,

00:42:20.300 --> 00:42:21.419
of Kafana,

00:42:21.739 --> 00:42:21.929
uh,

00:42:21.939 --> 00:42:22.540
in Vienna.

00:42:22.620 --> 00:42:23.699
If you're in Vienna,

00:42:23.899 --> 00:42:24.100
uh,

00:42:24.139 --> 00:42:24.939
at any point,

00:42:25.129 --> 00:42:25.300
uh,

00:42:25.379 --> 00:42:26.360
please stop in,

00:42:26.540 --> 00:42:26.860
um,

00:42:26.979 --> 00:42:29.159
maybe sign up for a roasting class.

00:42:30.010 --> 00:42:30.270
Uh,

00:42:31.250 --> 00:42:32.050
at minimum,

00:42:32.129 --> 00:42:32.580
um,

00:42:32.729 --> 00:42:32.969
uh,

00:42:33.090 --> 00:42:33.250
have,

00:42:33.409 --> 00:42:34.280
have an espresso there.

00:42:34.330 --> 00:42:34.770
But Robert,

00:42:34.850 --> 00:42:35.649
thank you so much,

00:42:35.770 --> 00:42:35.889
uh,

00:42:35.969 --> 00:42:36.850
for taking the time with us.

00:42:36.929 --> 00:42:37.469
pleasure.

00:42:38.370 --> 00:42:38.790
Thank you,

00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:38.969
everyone.

00:42:39.850 --> 00:42:40.129
Thanks,

00:42:40.290 --> 00:42:40.590
everybody.

00:42:41.209 --> 00:42:41.530
Bye,

00:42:41.649 --> 00:42:42.050
bye.