WEBVTT 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:06.480 Yeah. 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:06.980 Welcome. 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:13.060 I see we have a couple of attendees interested in studying psychology at Divine Mercy. 00:00:13.875 --> 00:00:19.895 And I will give you just a little background and, information on the program. 00:00:20.595 --> 00:00:21.955 Just a little background, right? 00:00:21.955 --> 00:00:25.335 Who we are as a program, what is our main emphasis focus. 00:00:25.880 --> 00:00:32.940 And then if you wanna have if you have questions, if you would put those in the chat and just fire away and love any kind of questions. 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:38.200 But, first of all, thinking through why study psychology, right? 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:41.500 You're looking at the master's in psychology, it's a graduate program. 00:00:44.175 --> 00:00:45.855 What do we focus on in our degree? 00:00:45.855 --> 00:00:47.795 We're nonclinical, we're non licensing. 00:00:48.735 --> 00:00:55.475 So the MSP is different from like a counseling program or all the clinical licensing programs. 00:00:56.310 --> 00:01:08.730 Reason for that is that we are a very, broad program in the sense that we have a wonderfully rich and very diverse group of students in our program. 00:01:09.270 --> 00:01:24.125 We have people who work in Silicon Valley and have leadership position, management positions in their companies, and they come to us to say, I am leading I I've done computers, but I don't know anything about people. 00:01:24.185 --> 00:01:25.325 Can you help us? 00:01:25.465 --> 00:01:29.640 So they come to get, a deeper understanding of a person. 00:01:29.860 --> 00:01:32.760 They come to us for leadership training. 00:01:33.300 --> 00:01:46.815 We have just quite a few priests, sisters, consecrated, who are in all kinds of different ministries, spiritual formation settings, and they would like to understand the person better to be more effective in their ministry. 00:01:47.835 --> 00:02:03.180 We have a growing number of healthcare providers, doctors, nurses, physical therapists who have worked as healthcare providers and come to us with that need for a fresh view of the person, a holistic view of the person. 00:02:03.880 --> 00:02:10.380 So, quite a few Catholic educators and a variety of different settings. 00:02:11.055 --> 00:02:24.515 So for us, we have these core values that we feel are essential for graduate level education in psychology that will be beneficial for our students in the variety of settings, that they are. 00:02:25.470 --> 00:02:32.050 So, first of all, we're helping people to to come to a deeper understanding of themselves and of others. 00:02:32.590 --> 00:02:48.235 In literally any kind of work and ministry setting, having a deeper understanding of yourself as well as a better understanding of the people around you and people you work with will make you more effective in your work in ministry. 00:02:48.695 --> 00:02:52.715 So we are guiding people in that process as they walk through the program. 00:02:54.860 --> 00:02:58.320 We have a big emphasis on growing personally and professionally. 00:02:59.100 --> 00:03:04.000 APA also has that as part of the core pieces of graduate level education in psychology. 00:03:05.420 --> 00:03:16.375 We have a flourishing development plan where everybody thinks through setting goals, long term and short term, in each of the three areas of vocation. 00:03:17.315 --> 00:03:23.335 So we want and we want people to grow professionally as well in the different settings where they are. 00:03:24.070 --> 00:03:33.050 And then our really core tenor across all settings, concentrations is leading individuals and groups to flourishing. 00:03:33.430 --> 00:03:43.795 And we have that very wonderfully positive outlook of the person to, be an instrument to help others move towards flourishing. 00:03:44.575 --> 00:03:48.095 I think we see that support from scripture for our core pieces. 00:03:48.095 --> 00:03:48.415 Right? 00:03:48.415 --> 00:03:53.475 We we see in Psalm one thirty nine, search me, oh, God, know my heart. 00:03:53.750 --> 00:04:03.190 And that before God, knowing ourselves, we have a piece of carry each other's burdens and so you will fulfill the law of Christ. 00:04:03.190 --> 00:04:08.650 That that deep sense of providing support and helping others as they move towards flourishing. 00:04:09.405 --> 00:04:14.465 And then Romans 12, right, to discern what is good and acceptable and perfect. 00:04:15.165 --> 00:04:18.065 So so what are kind of part of the pieces of this program? 00:04:18.125 --> 00:04:18.525 Right? 00:04:18.525 --> 00:04:26.420 We we are guiding students through understanding behaviors, thoughts, and emotions to knowing the core areas of psychology. 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:28.580 One of that is human development. 00:04:29.280 --> 00:04:45.665 Seeing the person developmentally, is a core part in the program and developmental psychologist myself, what's my doctorate is in, and knowing the person and where they are at in the life journey is an essential part of understanding people better. 00:04:46.765 --> 00:04:53.150 We have a course in psychopathology, looking also from a developmental perspective, looking at risk and resiliency. 00:04:54.090 --> 00:04:58.110 We're talking about biological effective cognitive basis for behavior. 00:04:59.370 --> 00:05:01.150 Really a core part of psychology. 00:05:01.450 --> 00:05:03.790 We are having a class in social psychology. 00:05:04.305 --> 00:05:07.445 How do I understand biases, prejudices, group dynamics? 00:05:08.225 --> 00:05:14.485 So, and of course part of psychology is psychological research methods as well as psychometrics. 00:05:15.105 --> 00:05:20.005 And then we've added, concentrations depending on your interest. 00:05:20.490 --> 00:05:27.610 So, looking, you know, at the Catholic Christian vision of the person, we we pull that in. 00:05:27.610 --> 00:05:37.355 I'm not gonna go into detail on all these pieces, but our program, which I love, has this wonderfully rich understanding of the person. 00:05:37.735 --> 00:05:39.835 Are we not only looking at psychology? 00:05:40.055 --> 00:05:41.995 We're not only looking at theology? 00:05:42.455 --> 00:05:52.430 Are we taking psychology, philosophy, and theology and pulling them together to get this deeper and richer understanding of the whole person. 00:05:53.370 --> 00:06:09.155 So just as a a final piece, as as you think about this degree, having the understanding of ourselves and others, we're growing personally and professionally, and then we're letting learning skills and tools to leading individuals and groups to flourishing. 00:06:09.775 --> 00:06:15.660 And, below, you see what other pieces, that we are doing that with. 00:06:16.220 --> 00:06:19.040 Today, we're gonna take a little bit, special emphasis. 00:06:19.900 --> 00:06:30.705 You see here under the second block, we have the scientific mindedness, which is part of graduate level education in psychology, right? 00:06:30.705 --> 00:06:43.445 It's essential, to be able to look at a program, to be able to look at an intervention and bring the expert view because you have looked at the research literature. 00:06:43.860 --> 00:06:52.280 You are aware of what the literature teaches and and says, not teaches, says about what helps married couples flourish. 00:06:52.660 --> 00:06:53.160 Right? 00:06:53.380 --> 00:06:57.640 What are risk factors, towards marital conflict and divorce? 00:06:59.165 --> 00:07:03.265 How do I can how can I list empathically and what do we know from the literature? 00:07:03.565 --> 00:07:05.585 What is the best way of building relationships? 00:07:06.525 --> 00:07:13.105 So in the pre PhD track, you have a special opportunity. 00:07:14.590 --> 00:07:32.105 To and I'm gonna stop sharing my screen or I'll leave this up for a little bit longer, to go deeper into exploring that scientific mindedness and really preparing if you wanted to go on for advanced studies after our master's degree. 00:07:32.485 --> 00:07:37.785 So it gives you an opportunity to have exposure to a content area. 00:07:38.085 --> 00:07:43.490 So two of your electives, you can choose freely depending on your interest. 00:07:43.550 --> 00:07:48.210 You have a concentration in marriage and family studies, you have a concentration in leadership. 00:07:48.750 --> 00:07:53.970 You can take an extra class, philosophy class, integrative class if you're interested. 00:07:54.765 --> 00:08:06.705 But then you will take what you have learned from the different classes and you will apply it in a thesis where you can go in-depth into the research literature. 00:08:07.165 --> 00:08:10.840 You get individualized attention and feedback from a faculty member. 00:08:11.300 --> 00:08:27.455 That you can explore that area of interest more deeply and really also grow in your ability to write with excellence and with clarity and communicate well your findings from the research literature. 00:08:27.915 --> 00:08:35.835 So we're just adding that course, in the next year where it's normally gonna be a smaller course. 00:08:35.835 --> 00:08:39.790 So you can have lots of input and feedback from fractions of a thesis. 00:08:40.410 --> 00:08:47.550 And you will use, you may have heard already when you've talked to people that we have a capstone project as part of the program. 00:08:48.570 --> 00:08:59.465 During your capstone project, you start off by thinking of really a problem, an issue in an applied setting that you have observed. 00:09:00.165 --> 00:09:02.505 Maybe young couples in your parish are struggling. 00:09:03.845 --> 00:09:06.665 Teenagers are stopped going to mass. 00:09:07.370 --> 00:09:12.010 You see anxiety of high school kids in your Catholic school where you're teaching. 00:09:12.010 --> 00:09:12.510 Right? 00:09:12.650 --> 00:09:17.690 It's something that you have observed and you're like, wow, how could we address that? 00:09:17.690 --> 00:09:23.485 Like, what would be a way preventatively or to apply it to to address that issue? 00:09:24.185 --> 00:09:27.785 So initially, you will gain a deeper understanding. 00:09:27.785 --> 00:09:31.645 You will go to the research literature and say, well, how can I understand this better? 00:09:31.705 --> 00:09:34.445 Like, why why are adolescents struggling with anxiety? 00:09:34.985 --> 00:09:40.940 Why so much so much more prevalence of anxiety and depression in young people right now? 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.200 So you will explore the literature to get a deeper understanding. 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:48.460 So you become the expert on that thing, on that topic you are studying. 00:09:49.575 --> 00:09:56.235 Then you will develop kind of different parts pieces of that capstone project in different courses. 00:09:56.855 --> 00:10:06.820 And towards the end of the program, you will develop an intervention, mostly psychoeducational in nature, to address the issue that you have identified. 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.900 So everybody does it in the different classes. 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:28.905 But if you are thinking that you may wanna go on for doctoral work or you really want to dig deeper in the thesis class, you can take a whole term and just work with faculty to dig deeper and explore and write your capstone thesis. 00:10:29.590 --> 00:10:32.410 So that's kind of for the pre PhD track. 00:10:33.430 --> 00:10:37.850 The other two electives, you can choose freely what is offered in the term. 00:10:38.310 --> 00:10:49.705 Or if you know one of the faculty members has an area of expertise expertise that you would love to grow in, we can, have you do an independent study with that faculty member as well. 00:10:50.165 --> 00:10:56.585 So that's just a little bit of background about the program and about, the pre PhD track. 00:10:57.280 --> 00:11:00.740 And if there are questions, put them in the chat. 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.740 Really happy to answer any kind of thoughts, questions you have. 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:09.760 And this is Michelle, and I'm actually, pinch hitting. 00:11:09.760 --> 00:11:14.165 I've been admissions for a long, long time, but we had a promotion in our organization. 00:11:14.465 --> 00:11:20.325 And I'm now the alumni, relations person, so I get to see where people go after they graduate. 00:11:20.385 --> 00:11:35.410 And, one of the things that I'll encourage any of you who are on the call today to do is to set up just a brief, similar to this, just an information session on, you know, are there scholarship opportunities? 00:11:35.630 --> 00:11:38.210 How long is it gonna take me each day to study? 00:11:38.670 --> 00:11:47.785 I'm so delighted that we have gone forward and put in these additional choices, which were asked for, you know, by students that we had worked with through the years. 00:11:48.165 --> 00:11:55.285 So as doctor Julius says, please feel free to put anything in the chat that you have any questions about. 00:11:55.285 --> 00:11:59.940 But typically, very important just to set up a brief, opportunity. 00:11:59.940 --> 00:12:09.700 And I know you all registered for this, so I'll probably give you a callback or a quick email with my contact information so that we can make sure that all of your questions are answered. 00:12:09.700 --> 00:12:21.995 And we're so glad to have doctor Julie on here today because she can give more in-depth relative to what's going on at the education level for those individuals who are qualified to enter the program. 00:12:21.995 --> 00:12:22.635 So thank you. 00:12:22.635 --> 00:12:26.600 I was having some technology issues, so I'm sorry I was a little late. 00:12:26.820 --> 00:12:28.760 Well, I would love to hear from the attendees. 00:12:28.900 --> 00:12:29.220 Right? 00:12:29.220 --> 00:12:34.760 Are you thinking doctoral work afterwards, clinical doctoral work, research work? 00:12:35.060 --> 00:12:35.300 Right? 00:12:35.300 --> 00:12:37.780 Is that really, helpful to think through? 00:12:37.780 --> 00:12:40.360 What's an area you may wanna go in further? 00:12:41.945 --> 00:12:46.205 I know there are a couple places in Canada where people are trying to get licensed. 00:12:46.745 --> 00:12:54.445 That's not possible with our degree in The United States, but there are certain states in Canada. 00:12:54.585 --> 00:12:56.880 They're they're looking for a thesis class. 00:12:56.880 --> 00:12:58.260 So that's important to them. 00:12:59.040 --> 00:13:06.020 But, yeah, we'd love to hear what people are thinking, areas of study or work they're wanting to go into. 00:13:09.955 --> 00:13:12.135 And you're welcome to put those in the chat. 00:13:14.675 --> 00:13:21.460 I can give a little more information on, the focus, the emphasis on the program, what it'll be like when you start. 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.020 We're adding a few more components. 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:24.900 We're asynchronous. 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:37.485 We're fully asynchronous, because we have a lot of students from different parts of the world, which makes wonderful discussion and discussion posts, wonderful, interactions. 00:13:39.705 --> 00:13:45.085 But except in course one, we have a two day live virtual residency. 00:13:45.705 --> 00:13:51.490 So we will we will all be in the same Zoom room from ten to five eastern time. 00:13:51.950 --> 00:13:55.950 So and it's a wonderful time because you see everybody in your cohort. 00:13:55.950 --> 00:13:57.010 You meet the faculty. 00:13:58.190 --> 00:14:00.530 We're giving some background on the program. 00:14:01.895 --> 00:14:05.035 We're giving you the first introduction to integration. 00:14:06.695 --> 00:14:08.795 What's special about the way we do psychology? 00:14:09.335 --> 00:14:14.315 So we'll have a couple discussion groups and, presentations on that. 00:14:14.455 --> 00:14:16.530 Now we start with skills practice. 00:14:17.330 --> 00:14:19.270 How do I listen effectively? 00:14:19.730 --> 00:14:21.270 How do I communicate? 00:14:21.410 --> 00:14:23.190 How do I attend, show empathy? 00:14:23.970 --> 00:14:32.445 So skills that are really essential to any work with any person that could be leadership. 00:14:32.505 --> 00:14:38.045 You can be a CEO of a company or you can be a Catholic educator or a nurse. 00:14:38.905 --> 00:14:50.100 Being able to be present with a person and a building relationship is really an important essential part to working with people. 00:14:50.400 --> 00:14:56.260 So we've added those pieces, to the residency, have made wonderful experiences. 00:14:56.400 --> 00:14:58.935 I think everybody has loved connecting that way. 00:14:59.495 --> 00:15:05.415 A lot of our students have a WhatsApp group, and that's kinda developed over the last couple years. 00:15:05.415 --> 00:15:07.115 They are connect in course one. 00:15:07.575 --> 00:15:12.270 I have some courses where people interact every day. 00:15:13.470 --> 00:15:19.250 In terms of live segments, Crest does offer at least three live Zoom meetings. 00:15:19.790 --> 00:15:25.250 So if you love the live interaction, it's provided in every single course. 00:15:25.655 --> 00:15:33.035 So we have, those three meetings in every course where you can be live with a faculty member and other students. 00:15:34.695 --> 00:15:36.155 Average great question. 00:15:36.215 --> 00:15:42.440 What's the average daily study time required to complete the MSP in sixteen month or twenty four month? 00:15:42.900 --> 00:15:45.220 Will the PhD be virtual as well? 00:15:45.220 --> 00:15:50.520 So we are not offering a virtual PhD, hopefully, one day in the future, but not yet. 00:15:50.820 --> 00:15:56.765 Our doctoral program is, a PsyD, and that is in person at the Sterling. 00:15:56.825 --> 00:16:01.645 It's an APA licensing, PsyD, clinical psychology. 00:16:02.665 --> 00:16:17.130 So in terms of study time, we kinda say sixteen to twenty hours a week, study time, if you are twenty six hours for one course, probably up to thirty hours a week if you are two courses. 00:16:17.830 --> 00:16:22.335 So that does push you really at a full time full time slot. 00:16:22.895 --> 00:16:25.315 It's a lot of fair amount of reading. 00:16:26.655 --> 00:16:31.475 And media, we provide media pieces in pretty much every week. 00:16:31.935 --> 00:16:42.780 Then you write discussion posts where you interact with the literature, with the readings of the week, and then you discuss with other people in the class. 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:53.785 So that takes a little bit of time, and then we have some kind of assignment normally at the end of each week, either a reflection, a research paper, making a short video with a small group, presentation. 00:16:54.645 --> 00:16:56.425 So different pieces. 00:16:56.965 --> 00:17:06.290 And I know a lot of people come who've come from traditional education, and we are asynchronous virtual, and they're like, how do you learn? 00:17:06.290 --> 00:17:07.270 How does this work? 00:17:07.490 --> 00:17:19.295 And I think in your mind, the the picture that we kinda have started to develop and lean towards is more a formation model of education than a dispensing knowledge part. 00:17:19.675 --> 00:17:30.735 So really, we have that vision of a slow growth curve trajectory where every week you read, you write, you discuss. 00:17:31.590 --> 00:17:38.650 Every single week you get individualized feedback from a faculty member, which is very you never have that, right, in live programs. 00:17:38.710 --> 00:17:44.655 But for us, every single week you get individualized feedback from faculty, and then you start your next week. 00:17:45.615 --> 00:17:52.355 And you are reading, you're writing, you're discussing, you're getting individualized feedback. 00:17:52.815 --> 00:17:59.110 So and over the weeks, right, that's how you grow and learn growing your skill. 00:18:00.530 --> 00:18:01.570 Auditing a class. 00:18:01.570 --> 00:18:02.390 Good question. 00:18:02.850 --> 00:18:10.870 So auditing is, students do not participate in discussions or assignments if they are auditing. 00:18:12.915 --> 00:18:20.695 So I I do not heavily, especially not as a first class, would recommend auditing because you're kinda alone with the material. 00:18:21.635 --> 00:18:30.670 And what people have loved is to interact with discussion and getting feedback from faculty, both of which you do not get if you're auditing. 00:18:31.370 --> 00:18:46.595 So especially if you're new, sometimes people who are have gone through the program and they're just like, ugh, I just I don't have space in my schedule for this one extra class, but I would love that information. 00:18:46.775 --> 00:18:49.295 So they've already almost done with the program. 00:18:49.295 --> 00:18:59.450 They'll add one class just to get the information to to cover that, to enrich themselves, but they have experience and they've gone through the growing pieces and the learning pieces of the program. 00:19:00.710 --> 00:19:02.730 So but you can do a non degree seeking. 00:19:03.110 --> 00:19:08.985 Student, we've had some people who start with just one class and just to check it out, this is a good fit for me. 00:19:10.105 --> 00:19:14.365 So you can apply to be non degree seeking and just take a couple classes. 00:19:14.985 --> 00:19:17.165 And, there are different people who've done that. 00:19:17.385 --> 00:19:17.945 Hi, Susie. 00:19:17.945 --> 00:19:21.705 Glad you joined us because I know I sent you an invitation at the last minute. 00:19:21.705 --> 00:19:22.845 That is a good question. 00:19:23.380 --> 00:19:41.805 We can certainly talk offline because as doctor has said, sometimes it's better just to take that one class for credit versus auditing it because you're participating so much more and then you have a feel because it has been my experience that typically people will go forward because, again, of the way we do online so effectively. 00:19:42.345 --> 00:19:52.510 So I think one of the things that is really a strength of our program is that, apart from having that like, I love doing psychology the way we do psychology. 00:19:52.510 --> 00:19:54.130 I love the integrative perspective. 00:19:54.190 --> 00:19:55.490 I think it's so rich. 00:19:55.630 --> 00:19:57.730 I I got my doctorate at a big state school. 00:19:58.030 --> 00:19:59.310 No integrative perspective. 00:19:59.310 --> 00:20:03.185 So I love the richness of the interaction with our view of the person. 00:20:03.645 --> 00:20:05.505 But we are very, very flexible. 00:20:05.725 --> 00:20:14.145 We have people who are in full time ministry, people who live overseas, people who are in very busy demanding jobs, people with families. 00:20:15.910 --> 00:20:24.650 And we are able to accommodate, and they can they're able to fit in study time because it is a very flexible program. 00:20:25.350 --> 00:20:29.450 And that's definitely an asset for for many people in different settings. 00:20:30.825 --> 00:20:36.205 And many of the people who come in sometimes will say, oh my gosh, I've never done any online education. 00:20:36.345 --> 00:20:41.225 Because many of the folks who come to us are not really fresh out of a bachelor's degree. 00:20:41.225 --> 00:20:42.685 They have some life experience. 00:20:42.745 --> 00:20:44.205 They have incredible wisdom. 00:20:44.825 --> 00:20:55.460 And what starts to happen is that the way we do online, people are forming conversations and writings and incredible lifetime friends. 00:20:55.460 --> 00:21:06.965 We just got back from a graduation in May, and it's always amazing to me that people who never saw each other over two years have this incredibly deep relationship. 00:21:07.905 --> 00:21:20.410 And so because we are invested in everyone's success, being smaller, being unique in the way we teach psychology, it's pretty amazing what happens with lifetime relations. 00:21:20.470 --> 00:21:35.135 And again, I can say that for sure because I used to be in admissions, and now I'm at the back end in alumni and graduates, hiring graduates, and people who are constantly staying in touch and I have an advisory board who helps us all stay in touch. 00:21:35.195 --> 00:21:43.695 So it is something that once you find your stride, that's what I always say to new students, becomes just part of your day. 00:21:44.235 --> 00:21:52.740 It's kind of like listening to a video in the car and you're really I mean, listening to an audio in the car and you can't wait to get back in the car and hear the next chapter. 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:54.740 And that's a quote from a student. 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.320 So, obviously, we love what we do. 00:21:58.320 --> 00:22:03.601 And if it's right, and that's one of the things we try to do is to give realistic realistic expectations. 00:22:03.601 --> 00:22:06.739 If it's not right, you know, we understand. 00:22:06.739 --> 00:22:11.054 But if it is, you're gonna find some some real joy. 00:22:11.054 --> 00:22:13.408 So that's, personal and professional. 00:22:13.408 --> 00:22:13.800 Yeah. 00:22:14.280 --> 00:22:22.700 Well, our faculty, because of the nature of our program and the school and the outlook we have, our faculty are wonderfully engaged. 00:22:22.840 --> 00:22:26.380 You can always send an email and meet people on Zoom one on one. 00:22:27.255 --> 00:22:29.095 I teach statistics in the program. 00:22:29.095 --> 00:22:36.395 I meet people one on one all the time because some people love statistics more than others, so I know it's hard for some people. 00:22:36.615 --> 00:22:39.815 But I have wonderful times meeting with people one on one. 00:22:39.815 --> 00:22:41.275 We run analysis together. 00:22:41.335 --> 00:22:50.710 We we work on assignments, and it's a great way to to get to know one another and master the material and, do assignments. 00:22:51.570 --> 00:22:56.505 So and I know a lot of our faculty meet with people very regularly and one on one. 00:22:58.745 --> 00:23:01.865 And everyone has a different reason for entering the degree. 00:23:01.865 --> 00:23:11.690 That's one of the things that I do upfront with every individual that I speak with is let's talk about long term, What you really are trying to accomplish. 00:23:11.690 --> 00:23:13.790 Sometimes it's getting a raise as a teacher. 00:23:14.010 --> 00:23:17.850 Sometimes it's, going into an RCIA program. 00:23:17.850 --> 00:23:25.385 Sometimes it's a priest who wants to really expand his knowledge on dealing with situations that have changed in the world. 00:23:25.685 --> 00:23:30.185 And so I think it's important again for realistic expectations as I talk to people. 00:23:30.405 --> 00:23:33.705 Let's show you all the opportunities that are out there as well. 00:23:34.005 --> 00:23:40.420 And sometimes it changes in your in your in your journey and other times you're just focused on the direction you're going. 00:23:40.420 --> 00:23:45.080 So I think that's important that you have that awareness as well. 00:23:45.860 --> 00:23:46.360 Yeah. 00:23:46.820 --> 00:23:51.960 As you know, if you've worked in an area through the capstone project, right, you can really go deeper. 00:23:52.435 --> 00:24:04.835 I'm just working with somebody who is a chaplain in the military and who was deployed and has, been working on more injury, has worked with some people who've really struggled. 00:24:04.835 --> 00:24:10.550 And he's just like, I just wanna understand better what these people are going through and how to help effectively. 00:24:11.090 --> 00:24:20.470 So he's writing this capstone project on supporting military members or veterans, who struggled with moral injury. 00:24:20.855 --> 00:24:42.440 And, through the psychological literature and being able to read research literature, he's, really been able to dive deeply and understand those processes better and, was actually asked in the military to provide significant support for people who've come back from deployment. 00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:53.705 So it's, for us, it's wonderful to see how our program reaches so many places and people and, helps people grow. 00:24:55.445 --> 00:25:05.970 I've done somebody who several people have worked on burnout prevention and their companies understanding factors that contribute to burnout risk. 00:25:06.350 --> 00:25:10.370 And people burnout in ministry, we have had several people write on that. 00:25:10.590 --> 00:25:24.065 Just how can I provide a ministry support setting structure that if people are having compassion fatigue or first signs of burnout, we we have a system, a supportive system in place? 00:25:24.845 --> 00:25:30.570 So just fascinating work and ministry places our students are at. 00:25:32.710 --> 00:25:35.990 Well, we certainly thank each of you for your gift of time today. 00:25:35.990 --> 00:25:41.430 And like I said, we'll be circling back just to make sure, you know, I hung up and I forgot to ask this question. 00:25:41.430 --> 00:25:45.425 And, you know, sometimes it's better to individual each conversation. 00:25:45.725 --> 00:25:50.045 But we really appreciate you attending today and hope you got all your answers. 00:25:50.045 --> 00:25:50.845 Thank you Doctor. 00:25:50.845 --> 00:25:51.345 Julia. 00:25:52.445 --> 00:25:53.245 Good to. 00:25:53.245 --> 00:25:54.305 Thanks for coming. 00:25:54.925 --> 00:25:55.825 Bye bye everyone.