Well, hello, everybody.
And, my name is Joe Drinnon, and I'm the admissions adviser for a 100% online master's in psychology.
And tonight, we're honored to have a very special guest, one of our masters of science in psychology graduates, father Steven Schultz.
And father Steven is a chaplain at Saint Paul the sixth High School in Loudoun County, Virginia and a priest in the Catholic Diocese of Arlington, Virginia.
He just returned from Rome with 20 high school students.
And, father Schultz is cohosting the webinar tonight to help you answer, questions from a student graduate perspective, and here's a couple of fun facts you'd like to hear.
Father Steven is a twin, and his twin, brother John went on to marry and is the choir director at Saint Mark's Parish in Vienna, Virginia.
And a few years ago, father Steven created amazing fundraiser to take his students to a world youth day in Madrid.
And we'll let him share with you, his unique fundraising events.
And, perhaps like many of you, he had a winding journey in the career world, and he he will share it.
You know?
And you know, why it's probably one of your biggest questions that, you have is why he chose Divine Mercy University before we got started.
And as a reminder, please use your chat feature during the webinar so we can answer your questions as we go.
And, and, father Schultz is a photographer of people.
A book and a thousands of photos posted on his Flickr site shows very pictures of just objects.
The pictures reflect a per, a person passionate about his family, brothers, seminarians, and people in general and his faith.
They are, the testament of a man perfectly suited for the priesthood.
So, father Schultz, go go on.
You you Thank you, Joe.
Okay.
Thank you, Joe.
There was a lot there, a lot of things that, I didn't I didn't think were gonna come up at the beginning of this webinar there.
But, thank you everybody for joining us.
I really appreciate you being here and taking the time.
I'm glad to share you share with you, these things.
That unique fundraiser was, based on this scripture, the of John the Baptist saying I must decrease and and he must increase.
And, I had people in the parish pledge by the pound that I lost over the over a five month period, and raised something like, $35,000 for our group that was going to World Youth Day in Madrid in 2011.
So, the parents of those kids were very happy.
It knocked about a thousand bucks off of, the cost of the of of the trip for each one of those, students.
And, as Joe said, I'm the chaplain at Saint Paul VI High School.
I love being a chaplain.
I've been here for six years, and I started the MSP program, just a year after, I became the chaplain here.
It was challenging, because being a chaplain, a high school chaplain is more than a full time job.
But I was very determined and just determined to be, the best priest that I could be, for our students here.
And and the, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't use something that I learned, in the MSP program.
Some way to help a student, to listen to a student, to help them know who they are in the light of God's love, to, help them, with their perspective about themselves and, their life and how God is working in their life.
It is it all been so very helpful, to me, and I did I graduated two years ago.
So, and I've also used the, used the degree, to help out in some other, areas, of work as a priest.
I'm a chaplain for Encourage, the apostolate that, assists, parents of those who experience same sex attraction, or, their their their children experience gender dysphoria, or they report gender dysphoria, they've taken on a trans identity.
And so, I am the chaplain for that, and we have, three separate chapter meetings and a special chapter, in fact, just for, the parents of younger children who, are experiencing gender dysphoria.
And I I, I'm helped in that chapter by a clinical psychologist who who, works for the diocese, but the MSP has really helped me in that regard, to to help help me to help those, parents, help those families, in that, in the difficulty that they that they, see with a a a child that, has kind of lost himself, or herself.
So altogether, you know, I have no regrets about, doing the MSP.
I wish that I had been able to take some time off, in order to do it, but I managed to to complete it working as a working full time, and a lot of the other people in my, cohort were also working full time, as well.
So any questions that you may have, I'm glad to, glad to answer them as best as I can.
So anyway, if you have a question, you know, you can do the, raised hand, and, we'll see if we can through the chat.
I'm gonna start going through it's a little slide presentation about the, master's of science in psychology.
A 100% online, no GRE required, which is your graduate record exam that, you know, some programs require that.
And to give you an idea, what we're gonna cover is I'll tell you a little bit more about divine mercy, the program, the master's in psychology, our faculty, acceptance requirements, next steps, and then, scholarships.
And, anyway, Divine Mercy is a Catholic graduate university, and it was originally the Institute for Psychological Science in the School of Counseling founded in 1999.
So we're a, really, a very young university, but progressive.
And in 2015, we, you know, we changed our name to Divine Mercy University.
And we are accredited by the Southern Association of College and Schools toward master's and doctor's degrees.
And, you know, regional accreditation, there are five regional accreditation bodies in The US.
You had your Western states, your North Central, the, then over to Middle States and Eastern states, and more Southern states.
So we're Virginia on down to Florida and over into Texas.
And we're also formed and chartered and established by the Commonwealth of Virginia.
And, you know, one question asking, what makes us different?
How do we differ?
Well, we use distributed learning, which is asynchronous delivery and which means that you don't have to be online at any certain time.
You know, you do this on your own time.
However, I mean, you still have to put the time in, which is if you're taking one class per term, it's, usually about fifteen hours a week.
If you're taking two classes per term, it may you know, it'll get into, you know, the twenty plus hours depending upon you.
And our, our professors are experienced.
They're all PhDs and they understand what you need to learn.
And usually in a typical class, and our next class starts at May 24, we have a good combination of teachers, you know, law enforcement folks, some attorneys and their social workers, you know, some students from the other side of the world that are doing this online.
And, anyway, our instructors try to, you know, tailor make it to you and what you need to learn.
And we are informed by Divine Mercy's Catholic Christian meta model of the human person.
And what we do is we, you know, we we focus on the whole person, mind, spirit, body, heart.
And then but in simple terms is we do, philosophy, psychology, and theology.
And, you know, we don't have any classes in theology, but we infuse it, you know, it's you know, you know, to change your heart and your mind.
And, these are some of the, benefits of a program.
Master's in psychology.
You know?
I I just call it analyzing, synthesizing, appraising, and evaluating.
And these are things that psych you know, someone a psychology major will have to do out in the real world.
Now let's look at those.
And one thing about you know, the bottom on evaluate, critically one's own biases.
So to be to do this, I mean, you'll find out a lot about yourself.
And when you find a lot out about yourself, you know, you'll be able to better help other people because everyone has certain biases and that.
But, and then here's some other benefits, you know, diversity principles and leadership, evaluate the attitude skill sets, understand the effects of crises and disasters, and develop, you know, care and education plans.
And, you know, and when father Schultz went through the program, we just had one blanket program.
And now we have five different, you know, concentrations on this.
So and then now there are certain advanced skills, the ability to recognize and respond to mental health challenges.
And, you know, how many times have you, just looking at the question here, and, you know, notice some a person that they have mental challenges.
And, you know, and the big thing is, you know, to to recognize that recognize that through questioning, you know, observation and that.
And then, evaluate the attitude and skill sets of strategies for beginning for becoming a transformational leader in a service building setting, understand cause and effects of disasters, and developing care plans.
And someone had a chat.
I I I made a question, and I'm just gonna say that.
And the question was, how does being a Catholic Christian school make this program different from other programs in terms of the approach of psychology?
And the, I you know you know, simply, we focus on the whole person.
You know, just not, you know, you're a person, whatever.
I mean, full person.
And Answer that question.
I don't know who it's from.
It's anonymous, but that's a great question.
And then the anyway, you know, managing a budget and oop.
Okay.
Now in the master's in psychology, we have five different concentrations, in marriage and family, human services leadership, pre PhD self design.
And to reiterate, the master's is a 100% online.
The only time you would have to come to campus is for graduation.
And then this is not a licensure track degree for aspiring mental health clinicians.
You know, MSP focuses on educating working professionals from all backgrounds and giving you solid tools needed in psychology.
And in the, you know, the curriculum, everybody takes the same eight core courses, you know, helping people flourish.
So we use the word flourish a lot in the the program.
And, you know, I usually ask students to, your definition of flourishing, and they say, well, it's, you know, to help people grow and become better in that.
And then, you know, they're they're right.
You know, flourishing is, you know, kinda related to, you know, growing things.
But when, people flourish, they feel they feel better about themselves.
And then the, you know, human growth and development across the lifespan and it's, you know, understanding what stage people are either trying to help or get in life.
I mean, it could be a 12 year old to an 82 year old.
You know?
You gotta tailor and make those, you know, suggestions to them.
And then the developmental psychology of risk and resilience, you know, cognition, the, you know, the Christian vision, the flourishing, you know, flourishing again, and vocations, which are, you know, occupations and virtues.
And we don't have math, but we do have some statistical analysis because you have to be able to measure things, you know, measure someone's progress and measure your progress too on how you're doing with them.
And then the social psychology groups and then research methodology and design.
And what this one does is, is everyone you know, in order to graduate, you have to do a capstone paper.
And a capstone is similar to a thesis, but you don't have to defend it orally.
You know, a thesis, you have to write it and defend it orally.
And, we have our our students have various, you know, different capstones on, you know, you know, what their topic is.
And, you know, at graduation, we, I mean, we put the title of their capstone in the graduation.
And, I'm not gonna say any names, but, you know, some of the capstones for this person was a human formation through an introduction to positive psychology and the virtues that retreat for those in a religious life.
I'll give you another one.
A military service members and family workshop on PSD to an open communication and encourage help seeking behavior.
And then oh, now let's give you one more.
I'll just say, Catholic gain spirit alliance, a model of implementation for Alberta Catholic schools.
And Alberta is in Canada, and we have students from all around the world.
So now here is a great question.
Someone asked, good evening.
What does it mean that it doesn't lead to a licenser?
Licensure.
It does not lead to a license.
And we do have a, it's a, called masters in counseling, but that's a three year program, twice as much.
They go through two year practicum, usually unpaid, and then another year apprenticeship, usually unpaid, and then they're ready to be licensed by whatever state.
But we are not, you know, at this point, not licensed in every state, but I'd love to, you know, to talk with you about that.
So I hope that answers your question.
And, anyway, it doesn't prepare you for state licensing.
It gives you, you know, general tools to help.
And anytime you have a, you know, a master's degree in psychology on your resume, it opens up many doors.
But, yeah, we do have licensing, but, again, not in every state.
And and we've had quite a few, students who started in counseling and they say, hey.
This is, it's it's you know, there was too much for them and, they came back to this program.
And then, but other, that's the marriage and family concentration and these are their electives that they take, marriage and family, flourishing, human sexuality.
And then those in human services, there are relationships and intervention skills, personality, individual differences in intelligence, and group counseling work.
And we get a lot of business professionals that, instead of going for their MBA, they do a concentration in leadership.
And like everyone else, they take the same eight core courses, transformational leadership, leading, you know, people to programs and organizations, and applied leadership skills.
And okay.
Snap real quick.
And and, you know, someone asked, though, you know, only way to to licensing and helping patients is through the, the counseling.
But, you know, typically, a counselor, you work in our office.
You work Monday through Friday.
Your appointments range from eight in the morning to eight at night, twenty five, thirty a week.
So okay.
K?
I hope that answered your question.
And can you answer that one?
That lead to licensing.
And because it takes this thirty three credit hour course and for licensing in most states and even in other countries, it takes about sixty five, seventy credit hours.
So, yeah, it's tough.
You have to have a higher grade point average, and you have to, in our program, travel to Sterling, Virginia at your expense three times from a Wednesday through Sunday.
Okay.
But, you know, a lot of folks want counseling, but this is you know, these are skills that can help you in in anything.
So, and then, you know, pre PhD, same eight core courses, but they right now, they're doing one I mean, six one hour credit courses on thesis.
Writing.
You know?
How to research it, how to write it.
And, of course, we use the APA format, which is the American Psychological Association, which is more scientific writing.
And then we have, self design where they do the core courses.
Then they pick one of the three of these, you know, between family leadership and human services.
And that way they can make it, you know, customize their curriculum.
And we did not have this one.
Bob Schultz was there.
So we revised it and script.
And these are some of the, you know, the career opportunities, and these are positions that our graduates have gone into.
And some of them may have been employed in the field, and they moved to these positions.
Some of them may have been doing something else and they moved into them.
But, you know, through the, you know, social mental health, industrial, government, ministry, and education with a a master's in psychology, that is a primary qualification to teach at a community college.
You have to have at least a master's to to teach at community college.
And then, health care and behavioral, mental health services, those are some of the positions our graduates have gone into.
And then in business, you know, human resource.
But, you know, a lot of human good human resource folks, they, you know, a human resource person is a person who, well, they keep their company out of trouble.
And, and psychology is just such a great tool.
And, anywhere from employee trainers to sales rep, you know, Paris's, endosises, community colleges.
You know, even in high school to be an instructor.
Now you may have to do state requirements, which include, you know, student teaching licensing, but, you know, the primary thing they're looking for is a, you know, a master's degree.
In family services, you know, nonprofit agencies, and then state and local government, which, you know, I I think it'll be easier if you live in the capital for the state, but, you know, every city has you know, and county has their own different positions.
So and I always say it's just, you know, Google where you're at, you know, opportunities for master's in psychology degrees, and you'll be surprised what comes up.
So, yeah, I don't know how many folks have had online schooling before, but, you know, when COVID came about, you know, couple years ago, it, you know, at least around here in Cincinnati, you know, you couldn't attend a class in a classroom for about a year.
So for students to continue, they had to go online.
And if and if the, professors wanted to teach, they had to learn really quick how to go online.
Now we've been teaching online for fourteen years.
I think we have it down, but same atmosphere of full student participation and teachers.
They're there.
You're just not side by side.
You know, fast turnaround with your professors and peers.
And usually, if you email some, at least a professor, you know, the they're gonna be back with you in twenty four hours or sooner.
And we go with your five, learning points, videos, books, classroom tutorials, and audiobooks.
These are all things to help you learn.
You know, easy to use online platform called Canvas and twenty four seven open access.
You can study anytime, anywhere.
You know, you have to have an Internet connection, but, it, most it's a given in today's world.
You know, some of our instructors, doctor Julie Costley, she is lead program chair director, and, she and they're all PhDs, and she probably specializes most in, you know, family and human services.
You know, Kathleen Dudemay, well, she doesn't teach that much anymore, but she's a a big part in developing curriculum.
Chris Yoon, retired air force officer who, does a lot of the leaderships at time to time.
Robin Tiptoe, again, another good family service person.
Anna Pecoraro, she is a, you know, a licensed, mental health clinician practicing in three states, and she's a wonderful teacher.
And Chris, Christopher Gross, he is the big research guy.
He has seven children.
And we have two tracks.
We have the sixteen month track, twenty six month track to get your master's in psychology degree.
And the difference between the two is that in twenty six months, you take one class per term.
And in the sixteen month, you take two classes per two in most every term.
But, you know, we we we have a lot of breaks in between to where you're gonna get, you know, twelve, fourteen days off in between semesters and, you know, everybody has to have downtime or vacation time.
And, you know, I know for myself in going to, you know, in an online degree, it seemed easy at first.
Okay?
But then it was work.
And you always have to give up something.
I gave up vacations and I gave up my nightlife.
But we'd still do what I call family vacations where we go see, you know, you know, brother in law, sister in laws.
But, you know, in doing that, I would still get my studies done.
I would just lock myself in the bedroom, you know, get online, and do my work.
And it was, you know, pretty good.
And then r, acceptance requirements are you must have a baccalaureate degree from accredited institution.
That is that's a gift.
You must have at least a 2.5 grade point average overall.
To be competitive, students should have at least 2.5.
So really, I mean, it it if someone is 2.5, you know, at first, they may want to do the start out in the twenty six months.
And if they feel they can handle more, great.
We have students that start in the sixteen month where they are doing two classes, and some of them say, hey.
This is too much.
It's not working.
They they can drop down to one class.
But, anyway, you can switch tracks one time.
And then two letters of recommendation, a resume including employment history, and your written statement of intent, indicating how your goals will align with the goals of the program.
And and this is very simply.
It's where where you were.
Okay.
And where you wanna go and how the master's degree will help you get there.
300 to 500 words.
And for those who's, who, English is not their first language, they may have take to take a TOEFL test, t o e f l, which means to others, English is a foreign language.
K?
And then we do have our federal financial aid of the loans.
Student loans, you know, subsidized and unsubsidized, and some students get tuition reimbursement.
And, for, master degree program, they you don't get Pell Grants.
Okay.
But, you know, some veterans get money.
And then we have the, we have a whole lot of scholarships you can apply for, and a lot of these are you have to write essays and tell why you should get it.
But those, you know, they're really on a first come, first served basis.
And right now, we have what's called the early application scholarship, but it's $2,000 just for applying early.
So that's that's good.
Now some folks, you know what?
I don't want to take on student debt, or they may not qualify for aid because they're, you know, they're not a citizen, but we set up reasonable cash plans that that that they could pay.
And then, our tuition is this, without any type of aid or scholarships, $8.26 per credit hour for thirty three credit hours, $27.02 $5.08.
Then the technology fee of 50 per class, $5.50.
You take, you know, 11 classes, $27.08 $0.08.
That's without any, with any financial aid, and that's for the whole program.
Whole program, not one year.
The whole program.
So you can divide it by two or 1.5.
And then, then we do have $55 application fee, which, you know, we we can waive it if someone is, you know, really serious about starting school.
But, anyway, let me answer a few questions here on the chat.
K.
Right.
So, yeah, we do offer counseling, but not not in every state.
We're just not licensed in every state.
So and then other ones.
Can you do more than three electives?
Absolutely.
You do more than three.
But sometimes the self design is better on that because you can pick your three, but, yeah, you can you can do that.
And, actually, we do have if someone goes through, the master's program, I believe there's about six classes if they decide to do counseling later, they would transfer.
Someone says they have BA in English.
They wanna pursue a PhD.
And and for any PhD program, you have to have a master's, you know, bachelor's, master's, and then doctorate degree.
But for doctorates in psychology, you have to have a master's in psychology.
That is the bare bones requirement.
And, but these are what I call crucial questions.
And, you know, I I was a bad boy.
I mean, I started looking at master's programs at age 25.
I didn't start one till age 41.
And I had I had boxes of information, but then no one had a a a webinar with me or spent a one on one time.
And finally, I I walked into a school one day and said I'm interested in school.
And then, next thing I knew, I, I was signed up, ready to go, started next Monday, and I don't regret that one bit.
Some folks say, well, you're rushed.
Well, you know, how can you be rushed?
My biggest regret was I didn't do it when I was 25.
But then if I did do that, I would probably wouldn't be here now.
So the, but anyway, will the completion of the program help you obtain your goals?
You know?
You have to have goals for a program.
I mean, because you're spending time and money in something.
I mean, you have to have something in the end other than I just wanna learn.
I wanna do it for my children.
Yeah.
You should always do it for your children, but you the main person is you do it for yourself.
And will scheduling requirements for a successful completion workable in your schedule?
You know, we have some students that are they don't work.
They stay at home.
We have some students that travel all the time that, to do that.
And but if you take one class or the twenty six month track, you're looking at at least fifteen hours a week.
And if you take do the twenty six month I mean, the sixteen month, which is very short where you're taking two classes, you're looking for about 20, and that depends on you and how well you study And that and, you know, when I went through school, you know, Monday through Thursday, I'd get online I worked full time.
I'd, you know, get online from about nine to about midnight, took off Friday.
And, somewhere between Saturday and Sunday, I'd do another six hours.
Sometimes, you know, it's Saturday.
I'll just do it tomorrow, do it tomorrow.
So most of the time it was Sunday, I was, doing another six hours.
And new financial aid options along with support of financial aid, make it affordable.
Well, but, you know, student loans, they are a good thing.
They help you get, you know, a big crisis today.
Student loan debt and this and that.
Well, you know, a lot of folks who have student loan debt didn't finish college.
They, you know, they got one or two years in.
They quit, and therefore, they have debt.
And can you commit to the successful completion of the program?
You know, something.
You wanna do it.
You gotta commit to finishing.
And, I know I I put my goal up in a little poster.
It said Joe Drennen, m e d.
And that is you know, I wanted the title, but I also wanted what you know, how it's gonna help me.
So okay, so I got another question here.
Let me see if I can answer this.
And nope.
Didn't prepare you for state licensing.
Just answered it.
Thank you.
And and we do I mean, we do have a licensing program.
Pretty hard, though.
It's hard, you know, difficult, and, it it's gonna take five years before you get licensed.
So but, anyway, that's me.
And, again, the skills you learned and the mastered the science, you know, listening empathetically.
And, you know, a lot of people say, oh, I'm a good listener, but then are they listening, or are they just thinking to say what next?
And, you know, listening to and assisting struggling people, not as a counseling or psychotherapist.
And a non licensed helper must refer if the person shows any sign of being in danger of self and others, facilitate psychoeducational programs, and then working alongside mental health clinicians, Liveness will coaching.
And we will always refer to a licensed person who who knows this person in your area.
And, you know, a lot of folks say, oh, unless I can get a license, I don't wanna do it.
Well, I commend you, but it's it's, it like I said, it's twice as long because they have to have at least sixty credit hours.
It's twice as much.
Really, the same credit hour.
Again, it's twice as much, the three trips on your own expense to Washington, DC, two years practicum, then another year internship.
You're willing to do that and certainly refer you to the right people.
And it'll help you build trust.
Trust is a big thing today.
And, and it I mean, I I won't deal with anybody who unless I trust.
And but I tend to trust people who listen to me as opposed to just tell me stuff.
I mean, I know I'm just telling you things now, but, I hope we're building trust and gather data in history and what's going on, for the person and seek input, be more effective in lay ministries, deepen understanding of interrelateness of the body, mind, and spirit, increase the opportunity for job promotion.
And there's a lot of job, especially teachers.
I remember I know in a lot of states, you get your master's degree in anything, and you you go up a grade in pay, which will, you know, certainly pay off in the long run.
So but, anyway, remember the concentrations, marriage and family, human services, leadership, pre PhD, and self design.
So, the, you know, for more information, you know, that's me.
And, we, can, waive that $50 application fee, and we have that 2,000 early, interest.
Does anybody have any questions for father Schultz?
Joe, I can answer or at least answer in part to the last question that came up on the q and a Sure.
About the content of the courses relating to, some of these contemporary errors in, moral errors looking at the way we look at the human person and marriage and things like that.
So the question was we're facing a time when, where family values are being ridiculed, government wanting to normalize abortion, same sex marriage, pornography watching, in general, an anthropological way of understanding morals and ethics.
So I'd like to hear more about the contents of the classes and the approach towards these very sensitive topics.
So in general, the, what's been developed at Divine Mercy University, now, over the course of a couple of decades, and it was just print just published in 2000, '19, is, the foundational textbook of their, approach to understanding the human person and and and approach to mental health counseling and and, the helping professionals.
And it's called the Catholic Christian meta model of the person.
Joe mentioned it at the beginning, and it's a brilliant synthesis of, philosophy, theology, and psychology that says this is how we understand the human person, how this human person grows, how the human person flourishes, the essential, relationships and qualities and aptitudes, of a human being.
And, as Joe mentioned, it is looking at the whole person.
So that's that's foundational to the program, and you get more and more of that meta model of the human person as you go forth, through it.
I think it's the most, important contribution to Christian anthropology since John Paul the second's theology of the body.
I think it's gonna be transformative in the world of psychology, and the helping professionals as well.
And I'm, we are teaching it to our students here at my school, and I know others in my cohort who, upon graduation began to really apply it in their own fields.
One of them is an executive and it was applying it as, in a matter of, leadership and developing his, his people.
And another was working as a physical therapist and, and found a lot of success in, in using this approach with people to, to, help the whole person, to treat the whole person.
So as regards the content of the of the programs, or the content of the classes, the, where to begin.
They do the, the courses do touch on the problem of pornography and how to identify an addiction and what the qualities of an of an addiction are.
But a mental health counselor will tell you, generally, they they might someone might need a specialist to deal with certain addictions.
However, you know, as a priest, I don't have to have a license in order to be, a spiritual counselor.
And so I found that a lot of the things that I learned in the program, would help me deal with help me to, help others to to address those self destructive, behaviors in their life, and find their way out of it, you know, by growing in virtue.
And so that's another key aspect to the meta model of the human person.
We flourish, in, these, invitations, to relationships.
This, I guess, I mean, I refer to them, I teach them as gifts and callings.
And, in the first form, that's love of God and love of neighbor.
We're all called to goodness and holiness.
The second form is our committed or avowed, vocation in life, being single, married, a religious vocation, a consecrated vocation.
The last form is meaningful work, service, and leisure.
And all of those involve relationships and responding to those relationships, living those relationships with virtues, helped by the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
And those is what makes for a flourishing person, which is someone who is growing in virtue, someone who is living, that, living their their calling, to the full.
So that does speak to some of these these other, areas.
I guess what more than anything that the the meta model of the human person, it doesn't just give one an understanding of the person, the whole person, but it really awakens, especially in people who haven't had theological training.
It awakens a the Catholic imagination and a Catholic worldview, to, understand our our purpose, understand, the gift that we have, in being human and belonging, to God.
So all of these other things, though, they apply with, they apply in air they apply for those who are not, Christian, either.
So it's not it's not it's not that, in learning these tools, one has to, be working with Christians only.
It just gives a vision of the whole of the whole person, with which to understand the person and receive the person, accept that person as a gift, and, to help them, to grow.
Very good.
Thank you, folks.
Appreciate that.
And, but, anyway, you know, in, gosh, how much time?
I'm gonna say, about forty five minutes.
It's just really hard, you know, to to answer all your questions.
And, you know, but if someone doesn't wanna apply, you do have to go through at least thirty minutes with me in a Zoom meeting that that's, you know, similar to this other than you have a lot of information that really probably causes a lot of questions.
But in in a Zoom meeting, you know, it's answering, you know, answering those questions, give you a little bit more information.
And I If The hardest thing that I did was, you know, it was a what?
Wait a minute.
You know, about almost a twenty year gap in between my bachelor's degree and master's degree.
And when I started school, I I cried every night.
It's like, it just hurts my brain because I was used to reading, you know, magazines, newspapers, you know, books for fun.
But it that dissipated pretty quickly once I got into my routine.
Once I got into my routine, everything was good.
I really look forward to getting online, doing my reading, writing, and research, and it doesn't last forever.
It doesn't last forever, either 16 or twenty six months.
And then I'm not saying that you you know, once you're finished with the program that you quit learning.
You're always learning and, which is a good thing.
It'll keep you keep you going.
So, anyway, I I know we had some really great questions, and and I really wanna thank father Schultz for being on here.
I mean, I learned something and, I love, you know, talking with our our our, students and graduates.
So, anyway, if, I'll reach out to everyone.
And if you want to set an appointment, do so.
And, I enjoyed this.
I hope you enjoyed it too.
Alright?
Thank you, everybody.
Have a great night.
Thank you.
Again, it's father Schultz.
Thank you.