WEBVTT 00:00:06.720 --> 00:00:08.480 Welcome to the PsyD webinar. 00:00:08.480 --> 00:00:12.740 I'm Bradley Seifer, and I'm the PsyD admissions advisor here at Divine Mercy University. 00:00:13.200 --> 00:00:16.985 Today, I'm joined by first year doctoral student, Josh Elmore. 00:00:17.525 --> 00:00:30.665 So, should you have questions at any time during, our presentation or conversation, please please lodge them in the chat box, and, Josh and I will attend to them at the end of our conversation or at the end of the presentation. 00:00:31.680 --> 00:00:40.000 Also as a note, I've listed in in the chat box my email as well as the Calendly link as well as other resources in the chat box. 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:47.845 So please send me an email, register for time to speak with me in the Calendly, and I look forward to talking to all of you. 00:00:47.845 --> 00:00:48.325 Okay. 00:00:48.325 --> 00:00:49.305 Welcome, Josh. 00:00:50.245 --> 00:00:51.225 Thanks, Bradley. 00:00:51.925 --> 00:00:52.165 Okay. 00:00:52.165 --> 00:00:54.725 So, Josh, let's begin with this. 00:00:54.725 --> 00:00:57.625 How did you become interested in clinical psychology? 00:00:59.380 --> 00:01:07.460 I think it began, towards the end of my years in seminary. 00:01:07.460 --> 00:01:12.920 So I spent two years in Catholic seminary, after I had completed my undergrad. 00:01:13.665 --> 00:01:25.925 And at when I completed my undergrad, I wasn't necessarily looking to to go to graduate school, but I felt a calling to, discern the priesthood, by going to seminary. 00:01:26.860 --> 00:01:29.040 And so it was really during that time. 00:01:29.740 --> 00:01:41.600 So I had studied some psychology in my undergrad, and it raised a lot for me, and I wasn't getting a lot of answers to those questions. 00:01:41.660 --> 00:02:00.100 And so, during my time in seminary studying philosophy, there's a lot of of those same questions that I had that, like, psychology had raised for me that it I couldn't really find an answer to, that it'd be like, the philosophy studies began to to speak to that. 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:14.575 And so it's throughout my time studying philosophy there, all of it just kind of kept getting the answers I was getting and just my interests were all getting directed towards, psychology. 00:02:15.035 --> 00:02:27.010 And so, yeah, just during that time as my I guess, as of the two semesters before I I left, I took an elective course. 00:02:27.010 --> 00:02:31.670 I was looking on, the philosophy of science, gender, and sexuality. 00:02:32.370 --> 00:02:41.775 And it was during that time that, so this was an elective, and there's a rotation of, guest lectures. 00:02:41.775 --> 00:02:46.175 I came in one of them. 00:02:46.175 --> 00:02:49.795 Graduate of Divine Mercy University's program, doctor Andrew Sodergren. 00:02:50.390 --> 00:02:56.730 And he gave a guest lecture and that like, he kinda he brought up the I or he had mentioned that he had graduated from Divine Mercy University. 00:02:57.270 --> 00:03:09.105 And so that's really when, the idea of actually doing psychology kind of popped back into my mind because it's something I thought about doing earlier on when I was in my undergrad. 00:03:10.365 --> 00:03:25.890 And so, yeah, it just kinda reemerged and then all like, I kept finding myself going back to DMU's I kind of like seeing what this sort of integration, thing is that they're they're that we're doing here. 00:03:26.990 --> 00:03:46.500 And, yeah, so it just kinda sparked a curiosity and then just, yeah, like I said, the study of philosophy, it really kind of was answering a lot of questions, and in ways that I thought was a lot of that had a lot to speak to psychology and just kind of understanding the rich, intellectual tradition of the church. 00:03:46.820 --> 00:03:55.800 It just seemed that there is a lot that, was needed, to be to psychology. 00:03:56.340 --> 00:04:07.675 And so, yeah, when I left the seminary, it just kinda seemed like the the next logical step was to actually, like, go and study clinical psychology and actually be, like, part of part of, like, DMU's mission. 00:04:07.675 --> 00:04:13.995 What I came to know is, like, integrating philosophy, theology, and psychology, bringing that all together. 00:04:13.995 --> 00:04:15.935 And it's like, that's what I wanted to do. 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:20.500 And so, yeah, then I started talking to you, and, now we're here. 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:21.520 So Yeah. 00:04:21.520 --> 00:04:21.840 Yeah. 00:04:21.840 --> 00:04:22.560 That's right. 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:24.720 So right. 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:29.785 So it sounds like, you know, you've, you know, given your seminar information and your time there. 00:04:29.925 --> 00:04:38.245 And then the questions that philosophy and and theology raised, sort of were intriguing to you, and then you just turned out. 00:04:38.245 --> 00:04:44.250 But these sort of, these these these topics and these questions kind of remain with you. 00:04:44.250 --> 00:04:50.650 And then, you know, you encountered, doctor Sondergren, and, one thing led to another. 00:04:50.650 --> 00:04:52.670 You talked to me, and and and here you are. 00:04:54.975 --> 00:05:00.595 Say a little bit more, though, about, divine like, why you chose divine mercy. 00:05:01.215 --> 00:05:12.650 It, you know, it sounds as if, like, that would for, you know, for someone who was in the seminary that this would be, in many ways sort of like an obvious choice for for that type of, profile. 00:05:12.950 --> 00:05:16.730 Let's say a bit more about, what attracted you to DMU. 00:05:18.470 --> 00:05:18.970 Yeah. 00:05:19.110 --> 00:05:48.500 So I think it was really just con the way that DMU really was holding up both or all three of, you know, theology, philosophy, and psychology, together without them because it's, like, really something really easy to do is to, you know, kind of fall into, like, kind of a reductionist path where you start cutting out one, or the other. 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:53.295 And so the and, like, that was one of my concerns when I first started looking at DMU. 00:05:53.295 --> 00:06:03.115 I was like, is this a is it authentic, like, in terms of, like, you know, holding, you know, the spiritual intellectual tradition of the Catholic church? 00:06:03.175 --> 00:06:11.330 And is it, you know, rigorous in psychology well. 00:06:11.870 --> 00:06:14.930 So those were, like, two questions that I had when I began looking. 00:06:15.390 --> 00:06:33.225 And, just through the interview process and just finding out more of it from you in our initial conversations, It just became evident that that really was the case of what DMU wanted to do and, like, you know, becoming familiar with the, Catholic Christian meta model of the person. 00:06:33.225 --> 00:06:41.140 It's just like all of these things are being held intention, with each other, supporting each other. 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.860 And so that's what I felt was was really necessary. 00:06:48.080 --> 00:06:54.945 I think especially, for effective psych like, practice of psychology, that's just necessary. 00:06:54.945 --> 00:06:59.685 Because I kind of in seminary as well, like, all the seminarians, we received counseling. 00:07:00.065 --> 00:07:02.660 That is, generally pretty well integrated. 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:05.200 And I just saw the power that that had in people's lives. 00:07:05.200 --> 00:07:08.260 And so it's like, I really, you know, want to be able to do that. 00:07:08.640 --> 00:07:22.165 DMU just seemed like it was the best place that I could go to, like, prepare me to, like, serve serve others in the way that I had been served in that. 00:07:22.165 --> 00:07:22.665 Yeah. 00:07:24.405 --> 00:07:24.805 Good. 00:07:24.805 --> 00:07:25.205 Yeah. 00:07:25.205 --> 00:07:25.525 No. 00:07:25.525 --> 00:07:25.605 No. 00:07:25.605 --> 00:07:26.405 Thank you for that. 00:07:27.525 --> 00:07:33.470 So say a bit about your own academic and clinical interest. 00:07:33.470 --> 00:07:39.650 So, I mean, here you are at Divine Mercy, and you're sort of you're in your first year, of coursework. 00:07:41.070 --> 00:07:44.370 You know, where do you see yourself, after graduation? 00:07:44.990 --> 00:07:52.295 Where would you like to focus your your research, for your dissertation here, and your sort of your future, within the profession? 00:07:55.715 --> 00:07:56.035 Yeah. 00:07:56.035 --> 00:08:07.990 So I'm my dissertation, it's I'm still in the process of narrowing down exactly what I wanna do, but it's more on the developmental edge of things. 00:08:08.050 --> 00:08:17.105 So looking at how do we form, like, specifically high schoolers or emerging adults well. 00:08:17.105 --> 00:08:38.410 How do we, you know, prepare them well, set them up well to be able to make to to make good decisions, but also just, kinda see and understand themselves and the world around them in a way that is, that's authentic and that is healthy for them. 00:08:38.915 --> 00:08:42.775 And so there's kinda two angles I'm looking at for the dissertation. 00:08:43.075 --> 00:08:45.155 DMU has been working on a project. 00:08:45.155 --> 00:09:06.330 There's a couple students ahead of me that have been working with the local high school, to to develop curriculum for, high for high schools to have their students go through to be well, according to the Catholic Christian meta model of the person. 00:09:06.525 --> 00:09:37.225 And so what I would be looking at potentially if I were to go this route would be just kind of seeing what is out there, what sort of formation there is out there, what curriculum there is out that is out there, and seeing, you know, where where the holes what's actually being done well and then where the holes, would be for, like, someone after me to come and, you know, maybe fill that in, with a a curriculum, I believe, yeah, based on the CCMP. 00:09:37.445 --> 00:10:05.145 But then also looking at potentially emerging adults as well and see and basically helping them create, make, and commit to, like, meaningful, yeah, just making meaningful commitments in their life to, yeah, just set them up well and to kind of help them move beyond this stage of, like, ambiguity and just uncertainty and, just sort of endless exploration. 00:10:09.605 --> 00:10:14.745 So those are kind of the two main academic interests for the the dissertation side of things. 00:10:14.965 --> 00:10:39.095 And so afterwards, I could see myself either working, like, in a, at a university clinic, helping students, or also I'd be interested in just helping, adult populations, families, within, like, the Catholic sphere to, yeah, just have better better, family life, etcetera. 00:10:40.995 --> 00:10:41.475 Yeah. 00:10:41.475 --> 00:10:41.975 Yeah. 00:10:42.115 --> 00:10:42.615 Excellent. 00:10:42.835 --> 00:10:43.335 Excellent. 00:10:44.115 --> 00:10:50.270 So, I'm not I'm not exactly sure I understand the the hypothesis, though, for the dissertation. 00:10:50.330 --> 00:11:17.900 Is it that the like, having a a better formation, especially this or this, the meta model, is sort of can become a a catalyst whereby emerging adults are more likely to enter into more meaningful lives with more with healthier relationships and, getting into their vocation, whether it be marriage or or priesthood or the consecrated life or something like that. 00:11:17.900 --> 00:11:21.840 Is that is that sort of the the idea behind it? 00:11:22.540 --> 00:11:22.940 Yeah. 00:11:22.940 --> 00:11:23.260 Yeah. 00:11:23.260 --> 00:11:54.490 So I'm still working on, yeah, flushing it out, but that's kind of the idea of seeing exactly where the meta model can step in, and support young adults in making, yeah, meaningful commitments towards, vocation, whether it's, you know, like, marriage, religious life, priesthood, single life, or, you know, their work life to give them, you know, a sense of stability. 00:11:54.790 --> 00:12:15.730 And so, yeah, I'd be looking at how exactly can we, yeah, using the meta model, like, bring that about for people and seeing, you know, I guess beginning to answer the question if, like, the meta model could or if or how the meta model can be a support for those in their college years and beyond. 00:12:16.430 --> 00:12:16.750 Yeah. 00:12:16.750 --> 00:12:17.310 That's great. 00:12:17.310 --> 00:12:22.450 I think it's, incredibly timely, and probably very important area of research. 00:12:24.035 --> 00:12:24.835 It's it's funny. 00:12:24.835 --> 00:12:32.135 I I I I once heard somebody say that, you know, once discernment has become so popular now in in recent years, no one has been making a decision. 00:12:32.675 --> 00:12:37.875 So, yeah, I I I think I think that's I think that's really good. 00:12:37.955 --> 00:12:42.290 I I I, so I I commend you for that. 00:12:42.570 --> 00:12:42.890 Okay. 00:12:43.210 --> 00:12:56.505 So, what given your, you know, your experience thus far, you know, in our in our program, what in your opinion, has been some of the most rewarding and enjoyable parts of it? 00:12:56.505 --> 00:13:02.285 And then say a word then also about the part of that's been sort of the most challenging or the most the most difficult. 00:13:06.370 --> 00:13:06.870 Yeah. 00:13:06.930 --> 00:13:15.350 So I think one of the more rewarding things has just been my colleagues and the professors, etcetera here. 00:13:15.810 --> 00:13:18.870 I've it's a very collaborative environment. 00:13:19.090 --> 00:13:25.845 Like, it's not it's not really like, we are striving for greatness, but we're not, like, competing with each other. 00:13:25.845 --> 00:13:28.105 We're, you know, we're all on the same team. 00:13:28.325 --> 00:14:23.575 And so it's, just a very supportive in terms of classes, I think there's, like, one of my favorite ones so far has been our basic interviewing and clinical skills course where it's just kind of, like, learning, like, how to be in the therapy room with clients, how to, like, properly communicate empathy and actually not even just communicate it, but, like, experience it as well, actually being able to take on take on what they're experiencing instead of, like, leaving it as something that's kinda external to us, actually entering into their world and understanding, yeah, what what, their experiences are like and the affective sense and just how to respond to that. 00:14:23.575 --> 00:14:26.555 I think that's been a rewarding class. 00:14:28.890 --> 00:15:10.585 I think challenging, it has been really probably, I think, one of the main thing that's challenging It's a product of, like, our the integration here is that the courses are just, like, really to just all the classes are Canada, and we're trying to really, like I mean, this is project, with the the integration piece. 00:15:10.585 --> 00:15:19.645 Like, how do we, how do we, yeah, really Catholic theology philosophy to psychology. 00:15:20.585 --> 00:15:35.285 How do that's just a constant question that, like, every student has to, like, come to understand for themselves, and not in an entirely relativistic way, but, we all have our particular question going on. 00:15:35.285 --> 00:15:40.985 And so it's it's really, stretches you to kinda, like, brid you're bridging all your forces together. 00:15:41.925 --> 00:15:50.025 So it's, you know, it's like, what does flourishing look like for people who struggle with, like, antisocial behavior and stuff like that? 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:55.520 You know, those are big questions that's, like, you can't really answer in a textbook. 00:15:55.520 --> 00:15:57.600 And so, it's a yeah. 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:09.945 It's a really challenging because it's just it's like, this project is so big and we don't really make, I we don't cut corners in trying to answer answer as well. 00:16:10.965 --> 00:16:11.465 Okay. 00:16:11.605 --> 00:16:12.665 That's very good. 00:16:13.605 --> 00:16:28.280 Now for those listening, what would be some very good, reasons for pursuing the doctorate in psychology, and what would be some maybe some not so good or some some bad reasons for for for going down this path? 00:16:29.375 --> 00:16:29.695 Yeah. 00:16:29.695 --> 00:16:34.415 I mean, the the bad reasons come very quickly to mind. 00:16:34.415 --> 00:16:46.540 I think just if it's sort of, like, a status thing, like, you want doctor in front of your name, a little side y, at the end of your name. 00:16:46.540 --> 00:16:58.495 It's like that's not a particularly good reason to of this a profession that serve people. 00:16:59.035 --> 00:17:00.555 It's not aimed at yourself. 00:17:00.555 --> 00:17:06.955 It's aimed at the clients that we're gonna be serving and just the general public. 00:17:06.955 --> 00:17:16.640 And, you you know, for people of faith, it's we believe that it's like a vocation and Molly, like, in response to God. 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:20.580 So it's not about, like, really yourself in any way. 00:17:22.185 --> 00:17:28.125 But it in some sense, it's like there is a there are callings, and so there is a sense of fulfillment. 00:17:28.505 --> 00:17:42.500 So on the on the other side, the positive side, it's like if this is something that's like you know, you have a lot of these questions of, you know, what it like, really, what is the good life? 00:17:42.500 --> 00:17:43.400 What is flourishing? 00:17:44.340 --> 00:17:56.615 And how do I how do I help other people reach that, I think that's a pretty good reason to to, begin considering, side like, the doctoral program here. 00:17:56.915 --> 00:18:01.495 But even, like, further than that because in some sense, you can do that with just a counseling. 00:18:06.370 --> 00:18:25.435 And so I think a good reason beyond just, you know, how like, helping others in the therapy room, it's helping a good reason to pursue it is, like, you want to help, really, like, bring this bring the this integration project to, to broader areas. 00:18:25.435 --> 00:18:43.515 You wanna be the be a person that's helping, make these changes and supporting, you know, the rest of the the scientific community and this project of I think that's a that's a pretty good reason to be joining the program. 00:18:43.515 --> 00:19:07.100 And then also considering the assessment side of things, like, really bringing the respect for the dignity of the human person into these the testing, which at time if it's done inappropriately and not in a therapeutic sense, it can be very, demeaning to a person to to, like, bring just apply these numbers to them. 00:19:08.360 --> 00:19:30.320 But it's like there is a way in which if you're from an integrative perspective, with empathy and in a from a therapeutic mindset, if you're looking to help people in that sense to get them, on the right direction to help them get the support that they need or, help them if they there isn't yeah. 00:19:30.320 --> 00:19:34.980 Just help them get on the avenue that is most appropriate for them for them to flourish. 00:19:35.280 --> 00:19:40.285 I think those are all, really good reasons to to come to DMU's program. 00:19:41.225 --> 00:19:41.625 Yeah. 00:19:41.625 --> 00:19:42.685 Well well said. 00:19:43.705 --> 00:19:44.205 Excellent. 00:19:45.065 --> 00:19:49.165 Now, somewhere in there, you mentioned counseling. 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:51.340 You know? 00:19:51.560 --> 00:19:57.580 So why would one want to pursue the doctorate? 00:19:57.720 --> 00:19:59.180 It's five years of study. 00:19:59.320 --> 00:20:00.220 It's rigorous. 00:20:00.360 --> 00:20:02.860 It's an on campus affair. 00:20:04.855 --> 00:20:11.435 Why do that instead of why getting why get why go through all that for the doctorate instead of doing a master's in counseling? 00:20:13.415 --> 00:20:13.735 Yeah. 00:20:13.735 --> 00:20:29.770 So I think one one major reason I mean, even though the PsyD isn't research entirely, like, research focused, like a PhD program, it's really in the PsyD program, you are you still have to do the dissertation. 00:20:29.990 --> 00:20:37.855 So you are bringing about these, like, real changes in the broader, scientific community. 00:20:38.555 --> 00:20:57.490 So you are in a sense you are really directing helping direct the research in in directions it needs to go that you that you just wouldn't be doing in, masters of counseling program or counselor generally. 00:20:59.150 --> 00:21:00.990 So I think that's one of the big reasons. 00:21:00.990 --> 00:21:16.225 And it's, in some sense, when you go all the way obviously, people with masters in counseling can become leaders as well, but there there is a way in which as a side d, you're a little bit more, embedded in the the research. 00:21:17.620 --> 00:21:24.340 Like, we we just have to go through so many research articles and through the course of, you know, five years. 00:21:24.340 --> 00:21:41.645 It's there's a really deep, like, we you you come to into a deep encounter with the the, the scientific literature that you wouldn't really in a, in a counseling program. 00:21:41.705 --> 00:21:51.410 And so, yeah, there's just that sort of sense where you're really, like, embedded in the research and you you you know it, especially with your dissertation topic. 00:21:51.410 --> 00:21:54.710 You become an expert in that particular field. 00:21:55.005 --> 00:22:01.345 And so that's a really a place where you can begin to make changes, in the broader field when you graduate. 00:22:04.525 --> 00:22:07.005 You on, making those changes. 00:22:07.005 --> 00:22:11.520 And then as a society, you become you can you get to help train, new psychologists. 00:22:11.580 --> 00:22:19.040 You can oversee them and help help guide them, in ways that maybe you wouldn't be able to as, as a counselor. 00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:20.720 Yeah. 00:22:21.340 --> 00:22:22.720 Also very well said. 00:22:23.980 --> 00:22:24.480 Okay. 00:22:25.365 --> 00:22:37.145 Given your experience so far in our Psydu program, what would be maybe two or three of the most impactful and formative ideas that you've encountered so far in the coursework? 00:22:42.020 --> 00:22:42.420 Yeah. 00:22:42.420 --> 00:22:50.520 I think one of the ideas that really has struck me and stayed with me, came from first semester. 00:22:52.365 --> 00:22:59.025 Just understanding is from that basic interviewing and clinical skill course that I had mentioned. 00:22:59.805 --> 00:23:26.185 But understanding the importance of just kind of like, giving space, for your clients, like, to just encounter person in a really deep way and in an authentic way and just how that relationship is is really the most foundational aspect of healing. 00:23:26.405 --> 00:23:32.805 It is, like and we talked about this, how it is important what, like, mode of therapy you're using. 00:23:32.805 --> 00:23:38.130 It's important to be using empirically validated, forms of treatment. 00:23:39.070 --> 00:23:44.210 However, it's like every all everything else is built on the therapeutic relationship. 00:23:44.270 --> 00:23:54.135 And so it's like being able to, establish a good your clients is in itself therapeutic. 00:23:55.155 --> 00:24:33.745 And another idea I think that's that has stood out to me recently would be, from my adult psychotherapy class and where it's like we're going through, but, you know, looking through what it's like to have sort of a, borderline tendencies or, be kind of in the psychotic range and just kind of be beginning to see these people, like, as really as human, because in a lot of ways, popular popular culture and just in general society, it can be, like, a little off putting. 00:24:33.745 --> 00:24:42.760 But just coming to see, like, these the humanity, like, that that really is lying at the core of, these people people's deep suffering. 00:24:43.060 --> 00:24:47.480 I think that's been, something that's been enriching as well. 00:24:49.195 --> 00:24:49.695 Yeah. 00:24:50.635 --> 00:24:51.135 Excellent. 00:24:52.875 --> 00:25:01.935 Now, you know, you had mentioned, the pro earlier on the project of integration that's sort of at the center of our mission into the MRC. 00:25:02.235 --> 00:25:03.480 You You know? 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:09.180 And we talk much about the meta model of the human person and and bringing together philosophy, theology, and psychology. 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:16.440 But what concrete difference does this make in a therapeutic setting? 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:33.490 So as a clinician, so we you know, it's like you can speak much about the philosophy of a human person in Christian anthropology, thinking of man as a composite body and soul unity, a single substance, rational nature, things like that. 00:25:33.490 --> 00:25:36.870 There's we're intellectual or spiritual, but we're also material. 00:25:36.930 --> 00:25:37.430 Right? 00:25:37.970 --> 00:25:43.750 But, what, like, what actual difference does any of that make for the clinician? 00:25:46.175 --> 00:25:46.575 Yeah. 00:25:46.575 --> 00:26:09.730 I think one that immediately jumps out to me is it impacts just sort of the the modes of therapy that you're using, what sort of, like, programs you're implementing, and and even it it gives you the ability to use sort of multiple, schools of therapy. 00:26:09.730 --> 00:26:26.255 So you can be, like, from the integrative perspective, you can perhaps, like, lean more into the psychodynamic side of things, but you can you can also simultaneously realize it's like that the cognitive behavioral side of things as well is very useful too. 00:26:26.255 --> 00:26:42.035 And so you can find ways, to help to help your client in both schools of thought where as if you only get trained in CBT, that's really, like, only doing. 00:26:42.575 --> 00:26:51.215 And that that's just kind of limiting because we know the person is more, beyond just their their cognition and their behavior that they have free will. 00:26:51.215 --> 00:26:57.560 Because if you really subscribe to the the behavioral side of things, it it becomes kind of muddy whether or not we have free will. 00:26:57.560 --> 00:27:01.080 And so, like, the you know, from the integrated perspective, we can say, yes. 00:27:01.080 --> 00:27:07.800 They have free will, but there's also this this behavioral, and the yeah. 00:27:07.800 --> 00:27:23.285 That the behaviorist side of things, it does have a a big point because, you know have the our experience in life do embed themselves within, you know, our minds and our bodies, and it has an effect on our behavior. 00:27:23.285 --> 00:27:26.160 And there there are ways that we can can affect that. 00:27:26.560 --> 00:27:56.940 I think also, yeah, going back to the idea that it it impacts the the, modes of therapy that that you're choosing because it really I think the the meta model really makes clear that we that all psychologists are operating out of some framework out of some presupposition of, like, of what flourishing is, what health is, etcetera. 00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:30.690 And so the like, operating out of integrated perspective, you become aware of that in yourself and in your clients and your you can be intentional about the way that you're implementing modes of therapy, and realizing that some of these may not actually be be as effective for your clients because they don't they have a worldview that if they're, say, Christian or Catholic or that they have a worldview where flourishing goes beyond just feeling, you know, having good feelings. 00:28:30.690 --> 00:28:38.575 It's about, you know, making good choices, making meaningful, commitments in their life, etcetera. 00:28:38.715 --> 00:28:41.435 And so it's like you can kind of yeah. 00:28:41.435 --> 00:28:47.215 It it really affects the sort of the modalities that you're using to to treat your clients as well. 00:28:47.355 --> 00:28:49.515 And just conceptualizing them as well. 00:28:49.515 --> 00:28:53.900 They go beyond just their their immediate presenting problems. 00:28:53.960 --> 00:29:02.300 You can begin to see the that exist, within the person and how how those might be interacting. 00:29:02.360 --> 00:29:12.315 So you can you just get a really much more broader view of the person, and then it helps you make more informed decisions about what sort of therapy they're using or that you're implementing with them. 00:29:12.315 --> 00:29:12.715 Yeah. 00:29:12.715 --> 00:29:13.355 That's great. 00:29:13.355 --> 00:29:14.095 Thank you. 00:29:14.555 --> 00:29:17.055 I mean, this is I asked this out of total curiosity. 00:29:18.315 --> 00:29:20.610 So if, like, if you don't know what it is, it's fine. 00:29:20.770 --> 00:29:22.310 But you mentioned behaviorism. 00:29:23.250 --> 00:29:34.470 I mean, if you actually, like, subscribe to behaviorism, why and, Emily, you maybe you don't think that, you know, the human person is actually free, like, that you're a determinist. 00:29:35.090 --> 00:29:38.635 It's like, why do therapy at all? 00:29:41.495 --> 00:29:41.995 Mhmm. 00:29:42.375 --> 00:29:42.775 Yeah. 00:29:42.775 --> 00:29:52.530 It it seems I don't know the answer, because this is something I experienced in my undergrad, studies that really had me confounded. 00:29:53.710 --> 00:30:08.855 Because, yeah, it's like if you're just, you know, material particles, you know, kinda colliding in a particular way, it's like, how do you make the decision to do therapy? 00:30:08.855 --> 00:30:10.695 How to like, what is yeah. 00:30:10.695 --> 00:30:13.675 If it's determined, so it's like, what is therapy really? 00:30:14.135 --> 00:30:21.840 It just seems like an accidental happenstance in the grand scheme of whatever the cosmos is. 00:30:21.840 --> 00:30:33.780 Like, it it just it it doesn't seem entirely coherent if you, adopt a pure behaviorist standpoint where it's, yeah, entirely determined. 00:30:34.855 --> 00:30:35.095 Yeah. 00:30:35.095 --> 00:30:35.335 Yeah. 00:30:35.335 --> 00:30:37.895 I mean, it it just seems it was kinda funny. 00:30:37.895 --> 00:31:01.710 Like, because it almost I I I venture to say that, like, even the very practice of psychotherapy, for it to be, you know, cogent probably assumes that the human person, you know, is free because it's sort of like, what else would therapy purport to be doing? 00:31:01.710 --> 00:31:01.950 Right? 00:31:01.950 --> 00:31:09.315 I mean, because it's sort of like, you it's not the goal of therapy to enable freedom. 00:31:09.695 --> 00:31:10.015 Right? 00:31:10.015 --> 00:31:29.440 In order to enable freedom, you have to you have to assume that, you know, the human person is free and that freedom is possible, and that that therapy can serve as a catalyst for, leading somebody into a greater, like, a life of flourishing where freedom is is more readily actualized. 00:31:32.295 --> 00:31:32.615 Yeah. 00:31:32.615 --> 00:31:33.015 Yeah. 00:31:33.015 --> 00:31:34.135 I totally agree. 00:31:34.135 --> 00:31:42.375 Because I think a way that this is, you know, somewhat bridged is, I think of just from my adult psychotherapy course that we're taking. 00:31:42.375 --> 00:31:57.690 It's like we don't necessarily chew like, people don't choose the sort of pathologies that they have necessarily, but they do have choice to choose to, you know, do something about it. 00:31:57.690 --> 00:31:59.925 And that's really where the the free will comes in. 00:32:00.405 --> 00:32:07.945 And it's like that's kind of the as that's, like, a necessary foundation to to therapy is helping your client choose what is good for them. 00:32:08.965 --> 00:32:09.465 Excellent. 00:32:09.605 --> 00:32:10.245 Well said. 00:32:10.245 --> 00:32:10.565 Alright. 00:32:10.565 --> 00:32:11.785 Let's leave it there. 00:32:12.420 --> 00:32:16.680 I would like to transition to the, PowerPoint. 00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:20.840 So bear with me, and I'll share my screen with everybody here. 00:32:26.195 --> 00:32:26.695 Alright. 00:32:28.835 --> 00:32:29.315 Okay. 00:32:29.315 --> 00:32:35.015 This is the overview of the doctoral program, in clinical psychology at the University. 00:32:35.315 --> 00:32:38.135 So I'm going to go through this again just as a reminder. 00:32:39.150 --> 00:32:45.890 If you have a question as we go through any of this, lodge them in the q and a box, and Josh and I will field them at the end. 00:32:46.590 --> 00:32:57.195 And I I I also, additionally, you know, as I get those, I'll be, in conversation with Josh, and he'll chime in offering his own, insight given his experience with us, thus far. 00:32:57.195 --> 00:32:57.695 Okay. 00:32:59.035 --> 00:33:12.930 So Divine Mercy is a Catholic graduate school of psychology founded in 1999 as the institute then as called the Institute of Psychological Sciences, dedicated to the scientific study of psychology with a Catholic Christian understanding of the person, marriage, and family. 00:33:13.870 --> 00:33:23.170 The expansion from the naming of IPS to Divine Mercy occurred in '26 2016 to facilitate growth and add a counseling program at the graduate level. 00:33:24.805 --> 00:33:28.085 So we are one major university with two distinct schools. 00:33:28.085 --> 00:33:43.650 We have a school of counseling, which is offers a master's of science, online, primarily, though it's it's also hybrid in the sense that, our counseling students do return to campus episodically for, clinical hours and things like this. 00:33:43.950 --> 00:33:55.625 Also, we retain the name as to the psychological sciences for our psychology programs, both the doctorates, which is what we're talking about right now, and also the, we also offer a master of science in psychology. 00:33:56.485 --> 00:33:58.645 This is an entirely online program. 00:33:58.645 --> 00:33:59.625 It's not clinical. 00:33:59.845 --> 00:34:13.920 It's a generalist program in psychology that gives people an a very, sounds, foundation in the meta model, the into our integrative approach to understanding a human person in, a a in a general way. 00:34:16.505 --> 00:34:30.925 Our university seeks to integrate to provide students with an effective academic and educational environment that supports the integration of the psychological sciences and a Catholic Christian a Catholic Christian understanding of the person through teaching and learning both knowledge and critical skills. 00:34:31.250 --> 00:34:40.550 It also suits assist students intellectually and professionally as they prepare themselves to respond to the location as mental health professionals or as men and women helping professions. 00:34:43.010 --> 00:34:49.375 We're located in Sterling, Virginia, which is, in Northern Virginia outside of the nation's capital, Washington, DC. 00:34:49.515 --> 00:34:52.175 We're about an hour west of the big city. 00:34:52.875 --> 00:34:55.135 To my mind, this is an excellent location. 00:34:55.515 --> 00:34:57.535 It's ideal on so many levels. 00:34:58.030 --> 00:35:09.490 We have e ready and easy access to the city and city life and all the, exciting opportunities that come with that, culture, arts, museums, and the rest of it. 00:35:10.185 --> 00:35:13.145 If you're more of an outdoors type, you know, we also have that too. 00:35:13.145 --> 00:35:14.825 You know, it's the West about an hour. 00:35:14.825 --> 00:35:17.245 There's the Appalachian Mountains in the Shenandoah Valley. 00:35:18.105 --> 00:35:24.240 The Appalachian Trail runs through, the Western part of Virginia and West Virginia. 00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:27.260 So that's also, you know, on offer as well. 00:35:27.260 --> 00:35:30.400 So there's truly, something for everybody. 00:35:32.780 --> 00:35:37.600 We are institutionally accredited by SACS, the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools. 00:35:38.135 --> 00:35:49.115 SACS is recognized by the an accreditation agency by the Department of Education, and DMU has voluntarily pursued in this accreditation process, meeting or exceeding all standards and thorough evaluation. 00:35:49.735 --> 00:36:01.420 We're also approved to operate by SHEO, the State Council of Higher Education in Virginia, and the PsyD program has been recognized since o six as a national research organization program by the Association of State Provisional Psychology Boards. 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:10.165 And probably most, perhaps most importantly is that we're accredited by the APA, the the American Psychological Association, since 2016. 00:36:11.025 --> 00:36:15.585 Also, DME has been approved for state and national council for state authorization reciprocity agreement. 00:36:15.585 --> 00:36:19.685 So as you can see, our accreditation is extensive. 00:36:22.710 --> 00:36:37.050 So as, Josh touched upon, in our interview, maybe one of the key distinguishing elements of, PsyD training as opposed to counseling training is, research, but also testing too. 00:36:37.785 --> 00:36:57.990 There's, doctoral students at our school receive thorough training and testing and assessments, to offer, the most precise and, data driven way of diagnosing clients, which provides and, basically, the more, data that you have about somebody, the more, more you know, the better you're able to help them. 00:36:57.990 --> 00:37:04.410 So, this is a key kind of distinguishing elements of, doctoral level training. 00:37:06.565 --> 00:37:07.945 It is a five year program. 00:37:08.005 --> 00:37:12.105 This ID is a hundred and twenty two credit hours, all told. 00:37:13.125 --> 00:37:22.600 Now in terms of the breakdown of everything, I will I do want to direct you to this slide here, which kinda gives you a nice kind of overview of what to expect. 00:37:23.220 --> 00:37:27.640 As you can see, the first two years are, sort of dense with coursework. 00:37:28.580 --> 00:37:30.980 I'm sure Josh could speak to the rigor of the program. 00:37:30.980 --> 00:37:36.545 Already have been having been immersed in it for, you know, going in in within his first year. 00:37:36.925 --> 00:37:39.585 It is also a full year long program. 00:37:39.725 --> 00:37:40.125 Okay? 00:37:40.125 --> 00:37:45.885 So as you can see, there's a a fall term, a spring term, but there's also a summer term. 00:37:45.885 --> 00:37:46.385 Okay? 00:37:46.925 --> 00:37:53.790 So over the summer, our doctoral students will be in coursework, and also in the clinic. 00:37:54.170 --> 00:37:58.270 So they have academic duties, and clinical duties as well. 00:37:58.890 --> 00:38:07.605 So you wanna think about starting a doctorate in terms of a, not just a five year commitment, but also a full year long one as well. 00:38:07.605 --> 00:38:10.985 So, you we will certainly keep you busy. 00:38:12.885 --> 00:38:20.480 Also see how, the comprehensive exam is scheduled for between years three and four, typically done in the summer between those two years. 00:38:21.580 --> 00:38:32.555 Once you have successfully pitched your dissertation proposal to the faculty and you have, passed comprehensive exams, you would be considered a doctoral candidate. 00:38:32.555 --> 00:38:40.315 So you'd move from student status to candidacy status, which leaves basically the fourth year, and then the fifth year. 00:38:40.315 --> 00:38:50.960 So the third and the the third and the fourth year are a hybrid of coursework and, on campus coursework, but also clinical duties. 00:38:51.180 --> 00:38:51.680 Okay? 00:38:52.140 --> 00:38:56.320 So you divide your time kinda like part time coursework and part time clinic. 00:38:56.975 --> 00:39:01.935 By contrast, in year two, this is your first foray into your work in within the clinic. 00:39:01.935 --> 00:39:10.515 So, you we have an on campus, clinic for our second year doctoral students, that services the local Sterling area. 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:18.300 And this is the the time that our students spends in the clinic is very much supervised by a DME faculty. 00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:22.300 You're you're assigned a, a faculty supervisor. 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:28.085 And And then when you move to the third and fourth year, your clinical hours will be off campus. 00:39:28.865 --> 00:39:34.725 So you'll be supervised by a local clinical psychologist, in the surrounding DC area. 00:39:35.665 --> 00:39:41.830 And then in the fifth year, right, I mean, this is where they're all the coursework ceases and you're just doing clinical stuff. 00:39:42.450 --> 00:39:47.350 And where you go, of course, very much depends on your interests, within psychology. 00:39:48.450 --> 00:39:52.070 Some people choose to stay local in the DC area. 00:39:52.935 --> 00:39:55.655 These are a few local sites I wanna direct your attention to here. 00:39:55.655 --> 00:40:01.755 So Saint Elizabeth's Hospital in DC, psychiatric hospital also in DC, and then the Virginia Medical Center. 00:40:02.215 --> 00:40:06.390 These are all sites that are kind of, in our backyard as it were. 00:40:06.870 --> 00:40:07.830 They're quite popular. 00:40:07.830 --> 00:40:12.710 I mean, it's because some people just don't want to undergo yet another big and major move. 00:40:12.710 --> 00:40:14.730 And if that's you, it's completely fine. 00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:22.250 Otherwise, you're also free to uproot again and go, to wherever your internship might be. 00:40:23.715 --> 00:40:33.555 And we certainly have had students go across the country to California, to the Midwest, to the, you know, the to Colorado or what have you or up and down the East Coast. 00:40:33.555 --> 00:40:37.175 So it's, people can end up pretty much anywhere in the country. 00:40:38.730 --> 00:40:50.890 I would also add that all of our, so in the past couple of years, we've had a 100% placements into, high caliber APA accredited internship sites. 00:40:50.890 --> 00:41:01.485 And I think that that says much about the quality of the the training that you're going to receive here, at Divine Mercy and the quality of the faculty and the student body sort of at large. 00:41:03.145 --> 00:41:07.865 That number has has has grown since we received APA accreditation in 2016. 00:41:07.865 --> 00:41:14.900 So in year as you can see here, we had 85% match rates, in 2017 to '18. 00:41:15.120 --> 00:41:21.540 But since then, we've we've rapidly got to a 100 in in recent years, I think, for the past two or three years, in fact. 00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:29.955 So all I have to say is you getting into a solid APA internship is highly likely, should you come to TMU. 00:41:31.535 --> 00:41:31.935 Okay. 00:41:31.935 --> 00:41:33.375 Josh, did you wanna comment? 00:41:33.375 --> 00:41:37.395 Is there anything else I'm missing here that might be relevant, and helpful for people? 00:41:40.930 --> 00:41:54.385 I think maybe one thing is just that, yeah, you do start your clinic university, right after, you know, your you complete your first year summer semester. 00:41:54.605 --> 00:42:00.385 So it's, you know, already a year in the program and you begin, getting to see clients. 00:42:00.605 --> 00:42:06.625 And it's kind of a relief that it's on campus, so you don't have to worry about applying to external sites, etcetera. 00:42:06.685 --> 00:42:11.570 You know, the faculty that you're familiar with with that you'll be working with throughout your entire time. 00:42:11.570 --> 00:42:21.425 Like, you're gonna be, you know, getting your foundation and therapy, like, with them as well, which I think is something that is Yeah. 00:42:21.425 --> 00:42:21.925 Good. 00:42:22.545 --> 00:42:24.785 And then I I if I could piggyback just on that too. 00:42:24.785 --> 00:42:40.050 I mean, like Josh mentioned, earlier, the first year of this class, this this basic interviewing and clinical skills, right, That really is kind of, you know, propa due to the second year when you actually are seeing real clients. 00:42:40.770 --> 00:42:51.795 You know, because it's it's the program is is very well designed to kind of, build you up as a clinician going from, early stages to intermediate to advanced. 00:42:51.795 --> 00:42:59.750 I mean so, like, you know, in the basic intervening course, you know, you're going to play therapists with your colleagues. 00:42:59.970 --> 00:43:06.550 So, for example, you know, if Josh and I are students, like, I might be I might play a therapist and give you my client, and then we would reverse roles. 00:43:08.130 --> 00:43:21.725 So you're already kind of accustoming your accustoming yourself to, learning how to be, a good therapist, learning how to be empathetic, you know, because this is a crucial, virtue, for the psychotherapist. 00:43:22.745 --> 00:43:28.370 And then and then we kind of ease you into, seeing people in your second year. 00:43:28.590 --> 00:43:36.610 Typically, because we are we we understand that, you know, you're you're already still, have a full slate of courses in the second year. 00:43:38.045 --> 00:43:41.245 You're only gonna see maybe two or three clients in year two. 00:43:41.245 --> 00:43:41.645 Okay? 00:43:41.645 --> 00:43:47.405 So, you know, that's some kinda maintain the balance, you know, to not overwhelm you. 00:43:47.405 --> 00:43:55.190 Now by the time the second year is over, as you can see from this sort of graph, there's a reduction, a noted reduction courses. 00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:59.990 So with that comes, an augmentation on the amount of, people that you see. 00:43:59.990 --> 00:44:10.905 So you're gonna see more there's gonna be a greater clinical emphasis as you move through the program, and the academics will kind of dwindle off, until the fifth year where it's just sort of like you do. 00:44:11.365 --> 00:44:15.465 There's no courses at all, and you're, exclusively doing clinical stuff. 00:44:18.005 --> 00:44:18.505 Okay. 00:44:18.885 --> 00:44:20.265 A few questions of discernments. 00:44:21.860 --> 00:44:23.320 Do you want to help people flourish? 00:44:23.620 --> 00:44:26.440 Are you interested in the science behind human behavior? 00:44:26.900 --> 00:44:29.960 Do you want to become an instrument of healing through the psychological sciences? 00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:35.175 Are you interested in performing psychological tests and assessments to diagnose clients and create a treatment plan? 00:44:35.655 --> 00:44:40.155 Are you looking to start a career as licensed mental health professional and specifically as a clinical psychologist? 00:44:40.935 --> 00:44:47.195 Do you have the ability and desires for all types of clients from acute care to more challenging long term client cases? 00:44:47.255 --> 00:45:01.910 So if you're thinking yes to all these questions, if this is if this is resonating with you, then, please, contact me, email me, get into my Calendly, and we'll talk and see if it makes sense to move forward. 00:45:01.910 --> 00:45:02.410 Okay? 00:45:04.225 --> 00:45:22.570 These are the major areas of competency which aim to inculcate in all of our our students, foundations in psych science and research, integrity, and practice, assessment and diagnosis, therapeutic intervention, professional roles, and our clinical practice from Catholic, Catholic, and interpretive perspective. 00:45:23.270 --> 00:45:23.510 Okay. 00:45:23.510 --> 00:45:26.570 I'm gonna speak a little bit more about each of these here in turn. 00:45:27.590 --> 00:45:37.315 By the way, this is the, Basilica Of The Shrine Of The Immaculate Conception in Washington, where we've held graduation, historically, you know, in the past. 00:45:39.935 --> 00:45:40.435 Okay. 00:45:40.575 --> 00:45:42.495 Foundations in psych science and research. 00:45:42.495 --> 00:45:55.710 Graduates will obtain foundational psychological science knowledge of biological, effective, social, and developmental aspects of the new person as well as history and systems of psychology, psychological measurement, research, science, and statistical method. 00:45:56.010 --> 00:45:59.710 Graduates feel the skills necessary to conduct their own psychological research. 00:46:00.425 --> 00:46:01.545 Two, integrity and practice. 00:46:01.545 --> 00:46:08.445 Graduates be knowledgeable in the areas of diversity and ethics, just like critical thinking, self aware and reflective practice, and self care. 00:46:08.665 --> 00:46:14.765 Graduates will demonstrate responsiveness to supervision, collegiality, and professional compartments, and professional practice. 00:46:16.330 --> 00:46:17.150 Three, assessments. 00:46:17.370 --> 00:46:24.110 Graduates be able to conduct clinical interviewing, perform intake evaluation, demonstrate knowledge excuse me. 00:46:24.250 --> 00:46:35.245 Knowledge in the administration scoring and interpretation of psychological assessments, insert multiple sources of test data, implement interview information, and to write a report, diagnose, and the treatment plan. 00:46:36.185 --> 00:46:37.645 Four therapeutic intervention. 00:46:37.785 --> 00:46:49.390 Graduals be able to demonstrate case conceptualization, treatment planning, building and maintaining a therapeutic relationship, psychotherapy skills, crisis management, and urgent social circumstances, and discharge planning. 00:46:52.330 --> 00:46:52.810 Okay. 00:46:52.810 --> 00:46:53.610 Professional roles. 00:46:53.610 --> 00:47:02.215 Graduates be able to function in a variety of trials, professional psychologists to include consultants, educators, supervisor, practice manager, and program evaluator. 00:47:02.515 --> 00:47:05.975 They'll be able to work collaboratively within ASR teams and clients. 00:47:06.755 --> 00:47:09.715 Six, clinical practice from a Catholic and integrative perspective. 00:47:09.715 --> 00:47:18.690 Graduates looked at all to Catholic understanding of human flourishing and individual person marriage and family life and be able to integrate this with psychological sciences and clinical practice. 00:47:21.470 --> 00:47:21.870 Okay. 00:47:21.870 --> 00:47:34.195 There are a number of different settings settings in which our graduates, would work inside the, working, of course, in a psychiatric hospital alongside the traditional medical establishments with psychiatrists and the like. 00:47:34.335 --> 00:47:44.960 Being in a military establishment, there's a tremendous need right now, for psychologists, dealing with persons in the military that have experienced PTSD in particular. 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:58.435 So those that have experienced severe trauma, getting help has been a priority for the military in recent years, as awareness about the reality of mental illness broadly and PTSD in particular has become more acute. 00:47:58.895 --> 00:48:04.275 So this is a huge one, and this can be very, well paid in some cases. 00:48:04.655 --> 00:48:06.495 Private practice, super common. 00:48:07.055 --> 00:48:11.860 A lot of people that wanna be psychologists do want to have their own practice eventually. 00:48:13.680 --> 00:48:16.900 Also, certainly outpatient clinics, diaspora consultation. 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.940 This is big for DMU, biograduates, I would say, in particular. 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:30.355 It might be obvious given our Catholic character and that's, and and in fact, Josh, you might actually be able to speak to this having been a seminary. 00:48:30.415 --> 00:48:40.620 And it's my it's my understanding that in in many diocese that receive applicants for the seminary, they require a psychological assessment. 00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:43.720 Yeah. 00:48:43.720 --> 00:48:44.280 That's correct. 00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:48.540 I had to go through an assessment, yeah, before I entered seminary. 00:48:48.600 --> 00:49:11.870 So that's a common friends with a priest who graduated from our program, and he's working because he works at the seminary, he's working on, getting other psychologists in the area to be able to kinda step into that assessment role because it's, yeah, it's absolutely needed, for everyone that's going into the seminary and religious life as well. 00:49:12.490 --> 00:49:12.890 Sure. 00:49:12.890 --> 00:49:13.390 Yeah. 00:49:13.690 --> 00:49:27.395 And and so clearly, I mean, our graduates are very much in demand in that field because it's very apropos for a DMU psychologist to, assess, perspectives of inheritance for their fitness for the priesthood. 00:49:27.775 --> 00:49:33.315 And then, of course, lastly, working in a clinical facility, also super common for, doctoral graduates. 00:49:35.060 --> 00:49:38.500 We have received legions of students that have come through our school. 00:49:38.500 --> 00:49:38.820 Okay? 00:49:38.820 --> 00:49:44.340 And they have, really come to flourish here and then go on to success thereafter in the field. 00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:45.480 These are a few testimonials. 00:49:45.620 --> 00:49:52.705 So, these are all side view on the James Waller, some clinical psychology program that training is focused on healing the whole person. 00:49:53.165 --> 00:49:59.025 Kristen Long, I was drawn to the PsyD program and desire to serve others in a more refined way than my previous positions offered. 00:49:59.485 --> 00:50:05.000 Timothy White, the school is not free to teach you what it means to be human at every level psychologically, philosophically, theologically. 00:50:05.140 --> 00:50:06.360 That's why I like it. 00:50:06.660 --> 00:50:09.460 And then Kirsten Curtis, I'm so thankful for DMU. 00:50:09.460 --> 00:50:14.760 The faculty members are very supportive and I received lots of hands on and clinical experience. 00:50:18.725 --> 00:50:19.225 Okay. 00:50:19.525 --> 00:50:24.665 This is a video testimonial from one of our own current doctoral students, William Johnson. 00:50:25.285 --> 00:50:30.905 He's done work with PTSD and combat veterans himself having come from a military background. 00:50:39.530 --> 00:50:39.770 Hi. 00:50:39.770 --> 00:50:48.445 My name is William Johnston, and I'm a PsyD student at Divine Mercy University, University, currently approaching the end of my third year in the program. 00:50:49.065 --> 00:50:56.905 Military service runs in my family, and, and so both my grandparents served. 00:50:56.905 --> 00:51:13.850 My parents both served this door, the PsyD program at Divine Mercy University opened that opportunity for me to continue to give back, to conduct research, and hopefully implement a more robust program to treat PTSD as it relates to combat veterans. 00:51:14.815 --> 00:51:36.540 DMU has certainly provided the integration that I saw in terms of my formation, both the philosophy and theology for in addition to the psychology curriculum, has provided me growth in terms of my faith, and my role as a husband and father, and, of course, a psychological clinician. 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:47.905 So in essence, the Catholic Christian meta model of the human person is is why I'm here, both for my own sake as well as the sake of my future clients. 00:51:54.100 --> 00:51:54.600 Okay. 00:51:54.980 --> 00:51:57.080 We do have another video testimonial. 00:51:57.220 --> 00:52:00.120 This is from a recently graduated alumna. 00:52:07.220 --> 00:52:14.995 I would say that being a student at DYM Mercy University or TMU is one of the best things that happens to me. 00:52:15.455 --> 00:52:20.675 I really appreciate a great support from faculty members and also classmates. 00:52:21.215 --> 00:52:29.100 I have gained a great deal of knowledge in all aspects of clinical practice, research, and also professional development. 00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:37.500 DMU not only provides students with strong academic skills, but also prepares them for a career in psychology. 00:52:38.535 --> 00:52:44.635 I personally benefit from mentorship with academic advisor and clinical supervisors. 00:52:45.255 --> 00:52:57.010 As a person, what I most appreciate from DMU is that its mission helped broaden my perspectives in understanding a human person through the lens of Catholicism. 00:52:57.710 --> 00:53:07.545 Catholic principle, especially in hope, love, and faith are very valuable and certainly helped me become a better clinician. 00:53:10.745 --> 00:53:11.245 Good. 00:53:11.305 --> 00:53:11.805 Alright. 00:53:12.905 --> 00:53:13.145 Okay. 00:53:13.145 --> 00:53:14.525 This is a word about our faculty. 00:53:15.385 --> 00:53:20.425 The first thing to say is that we are decidedly a generalist faculty of psychology. 00:53:20.425 --> 00:53:33.990 So meaning we have, you're going to get exposed to all the major areas of psychology given our sort of broad ranging expertise for faculty, which has included, experts in basically all the conceivable fields. 00:53:34.795 --> 00:53:36.975 These are a few of many. 00:53:37.435 --> 00:53:38.875 Doctor Kluge is our dean. 00:53:38.875 --> 00:53:40.875 She's a specialist in assessment therapy. 00:53:40.875 --> 00:53:43.215 Doctor Graves is the assistant program director. 00:53:43.515 --> 00:53:46.495 Her specialization is child and developmental psychology. 00:53:46.555 --> 00:53:48.895 Doctor Orianna is our director of clinical training. 00:53:49.250 --> 00:53:54.790 These three gentlemen here at the bottom are among the founding faculty members of our school back in, 1999. 00:53:55.490 --> 00:54:02.310 Doctor Scriffani is our expert in CBT and group therapy, doctor Nordling in child marriage and family therapy. 00:54:02.975 --> 00:54:07.155 And doctor Vitz, one of my own personal heroes, intellectual heroes. 00:54:08.255 --> 00:54:12.755 So his life his own life story is, I think, very much bound up with with divine mercy. 00:54:13.695 --> 00:54:29.190 Doctor Vitz actually was an atheist, and it when when he was a young man, I get when he was once a young professor of psychology at NYU, you know, so he was at this very, you know, secular university in a in a very secular, discipline. 00:54:30.450 --> 00:54:35.785 When he basically had a conversion experience, to Catholicism. 00:54:36.245 --> 00:54:40.985 You know, he investigated all of the major world religions and philosophies. 00:54:41.445 --> 00:54:54.080 And, you know, he in part motivated because, you know, he is re he recently, became a father, and he wanna say, like, what do I what do I teach my children about, you know, what's true about the world? 00:54:54.080 --> 00:54:57.460 Or, you know, what what world view do I want to impart upon them? 00:54:58.080 --> 00:55:17.090 And, he quickly came to see that, you know, there was just that that the kind of regnant atheism that was kind of in vogue at, NYU at the time and, you know, many secular universities was mostly tacit, but also sort of, like, not very well argued for. 00:55:17.090 --> 00:55:36.955 And and that, while it seemed as if that that was what all the smart people were thinking, the the actual evidence, pointed the other direction that that that, you know, there needed to be a first cause of the universe and that, you know, the only way to really make sense of Christ was was, that he was in fact, you know, the son of God and these kinds of things. 00:55:36.955 --> 00:55:44.420 Anyway, so he he had this wonderful conversion, and then he had to grapple with the next question, which was, well, what am I gonna do? 00:55:44.420 --> 00:55:49.000 What does this mean for me as a professional psychologist, as as a professor? 00:55:50.500 --> 00:55:53.140 And he came to see that, you know, there were indeed tension. 00:55:53.140 --> 00:56:01.345 There was indeed tension between a lot of what's the humanistic psychologists of the twentieth century, taught about self actualization. 00:56:01.565 --> 00:56:10.545 You know, the idea that the human person is kind of his own end, you know, that, we find our fulfillment in kind of our in in in ourselves. 00:56:11.325 --> 00:56:37.645 And, this really kind of takes issue with this and, really kind of critiques this development of self actualization through the course of the twentieth century and and how when theology becomes jettisoned from or unmoored from, psychology, that the psychological enterprise can become a a rather much of a nasal nasal gazing kind of affair. 00:56:38.550 --> 00:56:49.910 And that that that that's the psychologist, you know, is important that they have a sort of a right understanding of, as Josh was saying earlier, of what the human person is and what the what is the finality of man. 00:56:49.910 --> 00:56:53.290 And he as as he says in this book is is in God and other people. 00:56:54.125 --> 00:56:54.365 Right? 00:56:54.925 --> 00:57:15.520 So anyway, you know, he became in league with with these other guys, Grafani and Nordling among others, and because he wanted to found a school that was different from from all the others, all the other psych schools of psychology in in precisely this way in maintaining the harmony between faith and reason, between, theology, philosophy, and psychology. 00:57:16.220 --> 00:57:25.905 And and, DMU came to be, in the late nineties, and here we are to this day in in large part because of this man's, remarkable life. 00:57:28.045 --> 00:57:28.445 Okay. 00:57:28.445 --> 00:57:31.425 A bit about this is a rather more practical matter about licensing. 00:57:31.885 --> 00:57:46.430 So, much like other professions that involve extensive, schooling such as medicine, or or law, say, you know, you have to get the doctorates prior to getting the license. 00:57:46.430 --> 00:57:50.215 So, like, you know, in law, you you go to law school and take a bar exam and and medicine. 00:57:50.755 --> 00:57:52.835 You, go through medical school to become a physician. 00:57:52.835 --> 00:57:55.715 You but eventually, you have to take the the licensure test. 00:57:55.715 --> 00:58:03.175 So too in in clinical psychology, you you have to go through the the training, get the doctorate, and then you have a year of supervision. 00:58:04.890 --> 00:58:12.510 And then then you take the test, both usually at the national and the state level, and then you're officially, you know, a licensed clinical psychologist. 00:58:13.370 --> 00:58:14.590 And there you have it. 00:58:16.810 --> 00:58:29.185 In terms of the investment, right, so, this is one of these things that are is quite unlike, the kind of thing where you buy a car and and the value of which will rapidly diminish in the years thereafter. 00:58:29.645 --> 00:58:35.505 By contrast, this is an investment that that is going to, appreciate in value. 00:58:35.565 --> 00:58:52.845 So, for for example, the twenty first century, as I'm sure many of you are aware, is rife with, mental illness, lots of isolation, lots of, loneliness, depression, anxiety, addiction, among other things. 00:58:52.985 --> 00:58:58.045 And so the demand for good psychotherapists, good psychologists is rising. 00:58:58.105 --> 00:58:59.145 It's growing rapidly. 00:58:59.145 --> 00:59:09.330 In fact, the statistics to bear this out, I mean, psychology and the need for psychology is growing 13% more than the average profession. 00:59:10.350 --> 00:59:14.290 So this is, the kind of thing where, it's very much in demand. 00:59:14.750 --> 00:59:28.425 And and especially, I would say this is even more acutely the case, for our PsyD graduates because, again, by the laws of applying demand, there's going to be so much need for, people that are able to provide precise assessments. 00:59:28.965 --> 00:59:29.465 Right? 00:59:29.525 --> 00:59:40.400 And there's so much need for assessment demand for it, and there's relatively speaking fewer people that are able to do it Basically, you know, a a, doctoral degree is necessary for that. 00:59:40.780 --> 00:59:46.880 And so with few people that will do it and lots of need for it, you know, you can make very, very good money indeed. 00:59:47.580 --> 00:59:48.080 Okay. 00:59:50.015 --> 00:59:56.915 In terms of the investments, $1,001.70 per credit for a 122 credits over five years is $142.07 40. 00:59:57.215 --> 01:00:02.010 This does not include, housing, gas, food, things of this nature. 01:00:02.490 --> 01:00:06.110 Most of our students do, take out student loans to fund it. 01:00:06.330 --> 01:00:09.770 At the same time, however, we offer a number of ways to defray the cost. 01:00:09.770 --> 01:00:13.690 So all that to say, most do not pay the full sticker price. 01:00:13.690 --> 01:00:16.430 Most do receive some sort of financial assistance. 01:00:18.075 --> 01:00:20.335 So we offer work studies on campus. 01:00:21.115 --> 01:00:27.535 This is I mean, Josh, for example, is is working in our own, with me and my colleagues in admissions office. 01:00:28.715 --> 01:00:34.700 So there there are those jobs available, but other other doctoral students will work in the business office among others. 01:00:35.560 --> 01:00:37.660 We also offer a slew of scholarships. 01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:38.760 Okay? 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:45.820 So as you can see here, there are many to which you can apply, and they they attend to different demographics. 01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:51.145 So I encourage you to look at our website, divinemercy.edu,um,/financialaid. 01:00:51.285 --> 01:00:58.425 They can, the website gives a lot more, information about who's able to apply to these things and what are the application requirements. 01:00:59.525 --> 01:01:00.025 Okay? 01:01:01.125 --> 01:01:11.750 Now, in terms of entrance requirements, for for application, not not scholarship, we do require a baccalaureate degree from originally accredited school. 01:01:12.610 --> 01:01:16.070 You don't have to have studied psychology to apply. 01:01:16.805 --> 01:01:27.785 So we've received students and applications from across the academic board from hard sciences to humanities and arts and and and anything in between that. 01:01:28.405 --> 01:01:32.280 Now if you have studied psychology, all the better. 01:01:32.340 --> 01:01:37.940 Frankly, I think that, you know, it is an advantage, and we do, frankly, we do prefer it. 01:01:37.940 --> 01:01:42.360 But but, again, in no way is it, necessary, strictly speaking. 01:01:42.820 --> 01:01:46.760 We also do need a three o GPA on a four o scale. 01:01:47.365 --> 01:02:01.685 If you are if your GPA is somewhat less than that, you know, whatever, two eight, two nine, two two seven something in that in neighborhood, it is you know, we can make exceptions on a case by case basis. 01:02:01.685 --> 01:02:09.700 So if that's you, reach out to me, email me, and we can talk about it and and ways of moving forward despite, you know, a lower GPA. 01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:22.355 Now in terms of the application process, the first thing really to do is is if if this makes if this makes sense, you know, and and, you you you this is what he wants. 01:02:22.355 --> 01:02:24.615 The first thing to do is really apply online. 01:02:24.675 --> 01:02:24.995 Okay. 01:02:24.995 --> 01:02:26.275 That's, like, the first step. 01:02:26.275 --> 01:02:37.750 And then once that application is received, the financial aid office will immediately get in touch with you to help you begin the, the FAFSA among other things that are required for, financial matriculation. 01:02:39.330 --> 01:02:42.210 And then all the other documents, which I'm going to talk about a minute. 01:02:42.210 --> 01:02:50.655 Once everything else is received, we will I'll collate your application, and the team will, god willing, approve it, and then we'll invite you to campus for an interview. 01:02:51.195 --> 01:02:51.695 Okay? 01:02:51.755 --> 01:02:57.355 Now, in the present admission cycle, we are indeed, nearing the end. 01:02:57.355 --> 01:02:58.155 So here we are. 01:02:58.155 --> 01:03:11.260 It's sort of, like, early ish February, and we have one more, interview remaining for the current academic admission cycle. 01:03:11.720 --> 01:03:14.220 So that interview date is on March 8. 01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:14.940 Okay? 01:03:16.335 --> 01:03:20.035 The posted deadline for that is February 16. 01:03:20.095 --> 01:03:23.475 So, obviously, that is rapidly approaching. 01:03:25.455 --> 01:03:34.130 So for those of you that are, interested in getting into the school to begin in the fall, again, please get in touch with me. 01:03:34.590 --> 01:03:43.215 You know, time is running out, and, you know, there are a number of things that do need to get done in order for the application to be approved and you getting an interview. 01:03:44.815 --> 01:03:48.755 So please, don't hesitate to reach out to me, and we can, begin the process. 01:03:50.335 --> 01:03:54.995 Now in terms of all of the things that need to get done, they're sort of stated here. 01:03:55.375 --> 01:04:02.040 The first being the the online application, which I mentioned earlier, there's a $55 fee that attends that. 01:04:02.040 --> 01:04:08.600 Now once that's in the others, do you need the other things do you need to be received, namely, admissions essays. 01:04:08.600 --> 01:04:20.205 So these two essays, ask why, you know, you want to be a clinical psychologist, why Divine Mercy, why, why us, and what you wanna do, what area of research do you want to investigate. 01:04:21.305 --> 01:04:26.045 Your res updated resume is also required, and then also three recommendations. 01:04:27.225 --> 01:04:37.440 Now, it's important to say that these recommendations should come from academics, you know, professors that have had you as students or work supervisors. 01:04:38.300 --> 01:04:49.445 What we don't want are anything is anything personal, no, you know, family members or friends or, you know, therapists or pastors. 01:04:49.445 --> 01:04:54.345 Like, none nothing on the personal side that we want it strictly, professional or academic. 01:04:54.485 --> 01:04:59.040 Also, if you have a supervisor that's gonna recommend you, great. 01:04:59.180 --> 01:05:01.760 But we also don't really want as any coworker. 01:05:02.060 --> 01:05:03.840 We don't want coworker recommendations. 01:05:04.780 --> 01:05:09.680 Keep it, those that are above you, you know, your supervisor or, a professor. 01:05:11.045 --> 01:05:11.525 Okay. 01:05:11.525 --> 01:05:12.885 Of course, your transcripts. 01:05:12.885 --> 01:05:16.265 So any post secondary transcripts will be needed. 01:05:16.645 --> 01:05:19.705 So if you you got to graduate school, we'll need that as well. 01:05:20.165 --> 01:05:24.905 But, you know, if you just if you just have an undergraduate degree, that is that was advice. 01:05:25.530 --> 01:05:25.930 Alright. 01:05:25.930 --> 01:05:28.670 And then also finally, then the GRE is required. 01:05:28.810 --> 01:05:29.310 Okay? 01:05:30.890 --> 01:05:40.965 So, it's important to say, however, that the GRE, many people get very, you know, anxiety ridden over this process. 01:05:40.965 --> 01:05:44.405 But, the GRE yeah. 01:05:44.405 --> 01:05:49.145 So while required, it's simply not the most important elements of the application. 01:05:49.765 --> 01:05:55.310 So it's much more important that you get the GRE finished than it it be done perfectly. 01:05:55.370 --> 01:05:55.850 Okay? 01:05:55.850 --> 01:06:00.490 So if you have questions about the GRE, please let me know, and and we can talk. 01:06:00.490 --> 01:06:00.990 Okay? 01:06:01.850 --> 01:06:13.045 But once you sit for the exam, you do want to send the scores to us via our school code, which is here 5639, so that it can be sent immediately, once you take it. 01:06:13.105 --> 01:06:13.605 Okay? 01:06:15.665 --> 01:06:20.565 Finally, if you are an international student, please be aware of this. 01:06:21.490 --> 01:06:25.270 We do need your international degree to be evaluated. 01:06:25.410 --> 01:06:37.295 So if if you if you got a degree that's from another country that doesn't have the American, GPA evaluation metric, the transcript will have to get evaluated by an international evaluation service. 01:06:37.295 --> 01:06:42.415 So, a common one is west.org, okay, for the evaluation. 01:06:42.415 --> 01:06:48.995 If you have a question about this, if you're an international student, again, please get in contact with me, and we can talk more about that. 01:06:49.830 --> 01:06:54.250 You do need a degree that's at least equivalent, of course, to an American BA or BS degree. 01:06:54.870 --> 01:06:57.370 If it isn't in English, the degree will have to get translated. 01:06:57.670 --> 01:07:00.330 And and the cost for all this is, of course, your own. 01:07:00.470 --> 01:07:41.235 And then finally, if you regard English to not be your, primary language, and by that, I mean, you know, if English isn't the the language that you use in most of your day to day affairs, in your professional life, or in your personal life, if you mostly speak in another language day to day, you're gonna have to take the TOEFL, okay, or the IELTS academic test, okay, to make sure that, you know, your English is of a sufficiently high caliber that you can actually make it, and understand the the the material, the content material of a, a doctoral level degree program. 01:07:42.735 --> 01:07:43.235 Okay. 01:07:43.375 --> 01:07:44.495 I believe that's it. 01:07:44.495 --> 01:07:49.400 So let's look at, questions from our inner attendees. 01:07:51.300 --> 01:07:52.200 Okay, Adalia. 01:07:52.260 --> 01:07:56.040 I'm afraid that the presentation cannot be sent in an email. 01:07:57.060 --> 01:08:00.840 It's an internal document, and it's not meant for dissemination externally. 01:08:01.300 --> 01:08:06.675 So, you know, if you do have specific questions, however, please let me know, and I can certainly help you with that. 01:08:06.675 --> 01:08:07.175 Okay. 01:08:08.035 --> 01:08:09.735 Let's take a look at other questions. 01:08:10.195 --> 01:08:29.680 Ryan, if someone took the MS in sci program there at DMU, when any of these credits be applied to the PhD program, if one would go on to the PhD there, which track would be the best if a person was going to start by taking the MS in sci program marriage and family pre PhD leadership? 01:08:30.295 --> 01:08:30.535 Wow. 01:08:30.535 --> 01:08:31.035 Okay. 01:08:31.575 --> 01:08:40.855 So to the first thing that you're asking here, Ryan, there is no, you know, this is sort of, like, bad news, you might say. 01:08:40.855 --> 01:08:46.520 There's no equivalency between our own MSP and our PsyD. 01:08:46.740 --> 01:08:47.060 Okay. 01:08:47.060 --> 01:08:48.840 What what I mean by that is this. 01:08:50.180 --> 01:09:00.005 Because the MSP is, a nonclinical program and it's also, a the the terms are shorter. 01:09:00.005 --> 01:09:06.025 So there's an eight week term, in the MSP versus the fifteen week longer side e term. 01:09:06.485 --> 01:09:10.440 It's not as if you can kind of, like, move one into the other. 01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:11.000 Okay? 01:09:12.020 --> 01:09:15.720 The it's like you you just they're not transferable kinds of things. 01:09:15.860 --> 01:09:16.360 Okay? 01:09:20.180 --> 01:09:27.045 And then they also ask which track would be best if a person was going to start by taking the MSN program, marriage and family. 01:09:30.465 --> 01:09:36.645 I'm assuming what you're asking is, you know, what what should I pick in the MSP if I wanna go on for doctoral study? 01:09:36.750 --> 01:09:43.390 I mean, I think that's sort of, like, the whole, raison d'etre of the pre PhD, track. 01:09:43.390 --> 01:09:51.730 So, it let's just say that, you know, you want your absolutely dead set on going the PhD route instead of the PsyD. 01:09:52.595 --> 01:09:58.295 Then, yeah, doing the the MSP with us and and getting the pre PhD track, I think, is a great option. 01:09:59.235 --> 01:10:17.360 You know, if you want an academic career in psychology and you wanna do research, and and you would rather not do a PsyD with a with a very strong, like, clinical focus, then, yeah, I think the MSP, and doing the the leadership or excuse me, and doing the the pre PhD track is is a is a really good idea. 01:10:18.585 --> 01:10:19.085 Okay. 01:10:19.545 --> 01:10:24.845 Natalia, I'm Catholic and would appreciate having the interactive approach between psychology, philosophy, and theology. 01:10:25.145 --> 01:10:29.405 However, I wonder if this would limit the scope of the patients I would be able to help. 01:10:29.465 --> 01:10:33.920 Would this program somehow just tailored to attend Christian and Catholic patients? 01:10:33.980 --> 01:10:34.720 Great question. 01:10:35.420 --> 01:10:40.220 Josh, I I I wanna get your take on this because this is a a common question, and it's also a very good one. 01:10:40.220 --> 01:10:41.920 What do you what do you think about that? 01:10:42.780 --> 01:11:06.950 So I think that, to being able to serve anybody and being able to apply this sort of integration knowledge in any setting, like, whether you're at a VA hospital, just, you know, a secular university counseling center, or if you're in a specifically cath you know, private practice or something like that. 01:11:06.950 --> 01:11:13.130 It's meant to set you up to do well in all those all those different scenarios. 01:11:14.395 --> 01:11:21.775 Because I know the graduates go off into all different different sort of areas of the field, without any issue. 01:11:22.875 --> 01:11:23.355 Yeah. 01:11:23.355 --> 01:11:23.595 Right. 01:11:23.595 --> 01:11:24.095 Exactly. 01:11:24.155 --> 01:11:46.245 And I would just I would expand on that and say that maybe ironically for some, that coming from Divine Mercy, I would argue actually, makes you a more expanded clinician because, there are a plethora of people that wanna talk about religion in psychotherapy. 01:11:46.705 --> 01:11:47.205 Right? 01:11:48.865 --> 01:11:59.680 And, you know, what better clinician could there be than one that's come out of Delaunacy and is familiar with this conversation, is is very adept at having it, and is able to have it. 01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:03.360 And and this includes, you know, you, Natalia, you're asking about Catholics and Christians. 01:12:03.360 --> 01:12:09.360 I mean, like, some some many that are not Catholic or Christian still wanna talk about religion. 01:12:09.360 --> 01:12:09.860 Right? 01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:11.620 They still wanna ask these questions. 01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:22.725 And, you know, so here again, like, those that that train with us are very familiar with this turf, and doesn't really matter where you come from, what your worldview is. 01:12:23.105 --> 01:12:26.325 You're better able to have these conversations with people. 01:12:26.670 --> 01:12:34.370 And then, like, you know, I think like Josh was saying, though, our graduates do great in secular or, religious settings. 01:12:34.590 --> 01:12:39.470 Because, I mean, by contrast, it's not not everyone wants to go there, and that's totally fine. 01:12:39.470 --> 01:12:52.815 You know, you respect, the, your your client's wishes, and and you do, really well anyway because of the way that that you're able to approach the human person regardless of their worldview. 01:12:53.355 --> 01:13:03.530 Namely, you see them as as a person that is made in God's image and likeness and one that is owed a dignity and respect, and charity. 01:13:03.530 --> 01:13:03.770 Right? 01:13:03.770 --> 01:13:10.275 And so with that worldview, it's it's hard to see how there could be a better one that would make for a better therapeutic alliance. 01:13:11.615 --> 01:13:12.115 Okay. 01:13:13.855 --> 01:13:14.355 Alright. 01:13:15.695 --> 01:13:18.835 Anonymous, what is the average salary outlook of a PsyD graduate? 01:13:18.950 --> 01:13:22.730 A breakdown of what the different revenue streams look like for a typical clinician. 01:13:24.470 --> 01:13:24.790 Yeah. 01:13:24.870 --> 01:13:35.365 So, this is this can be kind of wide ranging, you know, in terms of what's, you can expect for salaries after it. 01:13:35.365 --> 01:13:40.825 It depends heavily on what area you enter, within psychology. 01:13:41.845 --> 01:14:03.005 Because some of them, you know, it's like if you end up doing something like corporate consulting, like, if you get involved with the business world and and the quite especially, like, the big businesses that wants to have, assessments done as, like, a as, like, a, a way to conduct human resources, but they hire psychologists as consultants to do this. 01:14:04.745 --> 01:14:05.065 Yeah. 01:14:05.065 --> 01:14:08.265 I mean, you can make a quarter of $1,000,000 doing that kind of thing. 01:14:08.265 --> 01:14:08.765 Right? 01:14:09.865 --> 01:14:35.165 But, you know, if you end up, you know, doing sort of more typical sort of, you know, getting into maybe starting your own business at at first, you know, or getting into an entry level position as a staff psychologist at at at various places, say, like, perhaps at a university, yeah, you might make, you know, somewhere between $80.90, 100, something like that, and then kind of work your way up from there. 01:14:35.625 --> 01:14:40.925 So there's a there's a big bandwidth in terms of what a clinical psychologist could make. 01:14:41.810 --> 01:14:46.470 Josh, did you wanna comment on that at all, in terms of what you know about it? 01:14:47.330 --> 01:14:47.730 Yeah. 01:14:47.730 --> 01:14:53.410 So, I mean, I obviously don't have any direct experience at this point, but I think you you pretty much hit it on the head. 01:14:53.410 --> 01:14:55.535 It it varies widely. 01:14:56.155 --> 01:15:04.015 It depends on, yeah, what kind of, you're going into. 01:15:04.315 --> 01:15:05.595 It also depends a lot. 01:15:05.595 --> 01:15:23.175 It can depend a lot too on, like, what geographic area that you're practicing and as well, like, what the general income is in that area can and what the cost of living, etcetera, is can, impact how much you're you, can be charging your clients. 01:15:23.315 --> 01:15:32.035 I think one thing too to note is that it's just it's very flexible in terms of, salary, especially if you have your own private practice. 01:15:32.035 --> 01:15:39.770 It's because you have multiple endeavors going on at the same time. 01:15:40.070 --> 01:15:54.715 You know, they're they're teaching three, four days a week or one in same students in the clinic, but, you know, they have they're working in private actually seeing clients. 01:15:54.715 --> 01:16:00.495 So there there's ways to have, like, multiple revenue streams as well, at the same time. 01:16:01.035 --> 01:16:01.355 Yeah. 01:16:01.355 --> 01:16:01.675 Yeah. 01:16:01.675 --> 01:16:02.175 Exactly. 01:16:02.475 --> 01:16:03.215 Well said. 01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:04.060 Okay. 01:16:04.440 --> 01:16:08.140 Also, can a portion of the coursework be completed online? 01:16:11.480 --> 01:16:19.165 So, I I say generally no if if you mean, like, can any once you're admitted to the program, you you know, can it be any part of it done online? 01:16:19.165 --> 01:16:20.785 And and that's just not the case. 01:16:21.325 --> 01:16:26.625 Being APA accredited, we have a commitment to on person in on-site education. 01:16:28.365 --> 01:16:57.915 But I also, just to, you know, give that question the latitude, if you come in and having, like, earned a a a a master's in psychology at some university and it was done partly or or online, it is possible to transfer in up to 18 credits of that depending heavily on, whether or not there's a a match between the coursework that you took elsewhere and and our own. 01:16:57.915 --> 01:16:59.135 So I hope that's helpful. 01:16:59.970 --> 01:17:01.190 Okay, Natalia again. 01:17:02.210 --> 01:17:06.070 Would we have license to as clinical psychologists outside The US? 01:17:07.650 --> 01:17:07.970 Yes. 01:17:07.970 --> 01:17:18.505 Per perhaps it would I think it it would depend, on the the country, you know, and and what, you know, their their their unlicensed procedures are. 01:17:18.505 --> 01:17:27.885 But, I mean, for for for example, in Europe and in in other international, communities, actually, a doctorate isn't even required. 01:17:28.360 --> 01:17:36.620 America is a little bit unique in that we the APA still requires the a doctoral level degree to practice as as a clinical psychologist. 01:17:38.280 --> 01:17:46.625 So having this ID or having a PhD from an American institution and then trying to get licensed internationally is a lot easier than the opposite. 01:17:46.625 --> 01:17:54.645 So, like, if you if you come from Europe and and you have a master's, you're like a master's level psychologist, which is a thing, you know, in Europe. 01:17:55.640 --> 01:18:06.780 And you try to be, you know, get licensed in America, it's it's it's a more difficult process because, you know, we have a higher standard of, academic rigor, for for psych for psychologists in America. 01:18:09.325 --> 01:18:09.825 Okay. 01:18:10.765 --> 01:18:12.285 Thank you so much for putting this together. 01:18:12.285 --> 01:18:15.885 I had wanted to find out more about possible full scholarship for the PhD program. 01:18:15.885 --> 01:18:22.305 I'm currently doing a master's program fully funded at the University of Iowa, and I'm deeply interested in counseling psychology. 01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:23.920 But concerned about the funding. 01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:25.760 I would like to reach out to you about this. 01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:26.000 Yes. 01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:26.640 Please do. 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:27.440 Please talk to me. 01:18:27.440 --> 01:18:29.940 I'd be happy to speak with you. 01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.540 Is there a number I could call you with that's easier to call? 01:18:35.040 --> 01:18:35.540 Yes. 01:18:36.240 --> 01:18:42.685 So go my number, if it's, is that not lodged in the chat box? 01:18:42.685 --> 01:18:44.385 I wanna double check on that. 01:18:45.725 --> 01:18:46.045 Here. 01:18:46.045 --> 01:18:51.680 Let me let me post that right now in the chat box, and then you can call me. 01:18:52.700 --> 01:18:53.020 Yeah. 01:18:53.020 --> 01:18:54.780 So I put it in the chat, for you. 01:18:54.780 --> 01:18:57.520 (703) 663-1652. 01:18:57.580 --> 01:18:58.300 Give me a call. 01:18:58.300 --> 01:19:00.000 I'd be happy to speak with you. 01:19:01.020 --> 01:19:01.520 Okay. 01:19:01.580 --> 01:19:03.920 I think with that sweet. 01:19:04.175 --> 01:19:04.495 Okay. 01:19:04.495 --> 01:19:09.155 Natalia, maybe I should ask some of my question about the license process at The US. 01:19:09.215 --> 01:19:14.355 I mean it for someone who does not, I assume, have previous bachelor in psychology. 01:19:15.055 --> 01:19:15.955 Oh, okay. 01:19:17.660 --> 01:19:25.840 So, Natalia, you know, like, a bachelor's degree is requisites to get in like, you have to have a bachelor's degree to apply. 01:19:26.060 --> 01:19:26.540 Okay? 01:19:26.540 --> 01:19:31.595 So that's like a, you know, that's a as they say. 01:19:31.595 --> 01:19:38.495 You know, bachelorette degree, you know, to get into any accredited, doctoral program is gonna be, like, a prerequisite. 01:19:38.715 --> 01:19:44.255 So if you don't have a bachelor's degree, you'll have to do that first, you know, before moving forward. 01:19:44.990 --> 01:19:45.470 Okay. 01:19:45.470 --> 01:19:49.150 Yennefer, how would it how would be the class schedule? 01:19:49.150 --> 01:19:51.550 Can I take the classes in one or two days a week? 01:19:51.550 --> 01:19:52.430 I live in Rhode Island. 01:19:52.430 --> 01:19:52.930 No. 01:19:53.150 --> 01:19:53.310 No. 01:19:53.310 --> 01:19:53.470 No. 01:19:53.470 --> 01:19:53.630 No. 01:19:53.630 --> 01:20:00.815 This is not a like a you know, you can take, like, classes, like, one or two days a week and then come back to Rhode Island. 01:20:00.815 --> 01:20:01.935 That's not how it works. 01:20:01.935 --> 01:20:09.955 This is a, like, a residential full time, you know, Monday through Friday coursework kinda thing. 01:20:11.270 --> 01:20:19.910 It's not you know, unless, like, you know, you're able to get, like, a, you know, jet back and forth, you know, on the weekends or something. 01:20:19.910 --> 01:20:26.730 I mean, this is really kind of the sort of thing that almost certainly would require, relocation, you know, to Virginia. 01:20:28.205 --> 01:20:29.505 So I hope that's helpful. 01:20:30.285 --> 01:20:34.145 You know, again, like, let me know if if you still have questions, Jennifer, about that. 01:20:35.085 --> 01:20:35.585 Okay. 01:20:35.645 --> 01:20:36.045 Good. 01:20:36.845 --> 01:20:39.105 I believe that's it, Josh. 01:20:39.440 --> 01:20:42.500 Thank you very, very much, for your help today. 01:20:43.200 --> 01:20:48.160 And for our audience, again, if anything is unclear, please get in touch with me. 01:20:48.160 --> 01:20:49.120 I'd love to talk to you. 01:20:49.120 --> 01:20:50.420 I'd love to talk to new students. 01:20:51.200 --> 01:20:55.220 I hopefully, I can clarify whatever what remains, unknown. 01:20:56.135 --> 01:20:56.295 Okay? 01:20:56.295 --> 01:21:02.695 So, Josh, thank you, and all have a great day, and I look forward to speaking with you in the coming days. 01:21:02.695 --> 01:21:03.435 Bye bye.