WEBVTT 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:04.260 Welcome to everyone. 00:00:04.800 --> 00:00:06.340 Good to have you all here. 00:00:06.720 --> 00:00:12.420 Excited to have this time with one of our students, Matt Engold, who's in our program. 00:00:13.045 --> 00:00:25.285 And that, you know, sometimes when we get on these webinars, we give an opportunity for our students or alumni just to get on and speak to you all about the experience of the program and what it's been like for them. 00:00:25.285 --> 00:00:26.825 We just think that's a great opportunity. 00:00:27.620 --> 00:00:35.480 It's a different way to speak about the program than just giving you data or information, just really having someone that's actually going through the program. 00:00:36.020 --> 00:00:39.720 It's an incarnational experience as we might say. 00:00:42.315 --> 00:00:44.175 So, well, let's get started. 00:00:45.035 --> 00:00:48.895 There is a question and answer box on the webinar. 00:00:48.955 --> 00:00:53.115 So if you have any questions, just put them in there. 00:00:53.115 --> 00:01:01.920 And when we get done with interviewing Matt, we'll we'll head over to those questions, and Matt and I will take a, go at them to answer them. 00:01:03.420 --> 00:01:10.605 We hope this is a good and informative time for you and also gives you just a sense and flavor of what the program is all about. 00:01:10.845 --> 00:01:15.825 So we're happy to have you here, and welcome to this time that we have together. 00:01:17.165 --> 00:01:30.070 So, Matt, as I said, is one of our students here in the program, and he has, you know, so graciously accepted to allow me to interview him tonight and to talk about the program. 00:01:30.610 --> 00:01:40.595 Matt is a dad and a businessman, and really has you know, from his own experience of coaching, I think that's where kind of this interest came. 00:01:40.595 --> 00:01:45.415 Matt, you can tell us a little bit more about yourself just to get the conversation going. 00:01:45.955 --> 00:01:46.455 Sure. 00:01:46.995 --> 00:01:54.080 I first of all, I always found myself on the, I guess you could say the seeking the seeking end of spiritual direction. 00:01:54.140 --> 00:01:55.180 I always wanted it. 00:01:55.180 --> 00:01:57.260 I knew people that had spiritual directors. 00:01:57.260 --> 00:02:02.700 I envied them, and, I they always seemed unattainable to me. 00:02:02.700 --> 00:02:09.265 And then at some point in a time when I really needed them, I had two at the same time, and it was, and it was phenomenal. 00:02:09.265 --> 00:02:11.745 I I'd gone to the Theology of the Body Institute. 00:02:11.745 --> 00:02:13.605 It was right after I got home from Afghanistan. 00:02:13.665 --> 00:02:19.445 I was a marine, deployed, got home, went right to TOB, and I met these two phenomenal priests. 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.520 And, one was younger and one was, much older. 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:28.420 And he would go and he'd actually, would do spiritual direction for a priest in Omaha. 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:37.735 And, I just started to experience for the first time somebody just guiding me along in my faith journey. 00:02:37.735 --> 00:02:43.955 And, it was never like a a very, I guess you could say, official spiritual direction. 00:02:44.495 --> 00:02:49.660 But these men, these priests just made themselves available to me, and it was a time when I was really discerning my own vocation. 00:02:49.660 --> 00:02:53.820 And so that was this very a very powerful time to be on the receiving end. 00:02:53.820 --> 00:03:04.545 One of those priests that at first when I was I was discerning my vocation, perhaps a call to the priesthood at that time, ended up marrying my wife and I, a few years later. 00:03:04.545 --> 00:03:06.485 And so, what a gift. 00:03:07.505 --> 00:03:13.585 But, yeah, I the interest in in spiritual direction was something certainly that budded there, and I had such a great experience of it. 00:03:13.585 --> 00:03:22.790 But then there was a bit of a drought for me when we moved back up to New York, and up in Upstate New York, Diocese of Albany actually just declared bankruptcy. 00:03:23.810 --> 00:03:28.870 They're just having a very difficult time getting vocations, and so our priests were just so strapped. 00:03:29.010 --> 00:03:36.645 And there wasn't a whole lot of other people, at least on my radar in the lay community that were offering spiritual direction. 00:03:37.025 --> 00:03:48.750 And so I saw this really as a poverty and even as a director of religious education at time at a time for my parish, for a couple of years, recognizing that there's just a lack of well formed formators. 00:03:48.890 --> 00:03:52.030 And it didn't matter what kind of program you put in front of people. 00:03:52.810 --> 00:03:59.870 If you didn't have a well formed formator that was there to deliver it, it was it was going to fall short because programs don't deliver. 00:04:00.245 --> 00:04:05.065 You need to have a well formed formator, especially if you're doing anything like human formation. 00:04:05.765 --> 00:04:12.645 And so recognizing that poverty and recognizing I had a desire to be in kind of this helps profession. 00:04:12.645 --> 00:04:13.205 I'm a coach. 00:04:13.205 --> 00:04:14.160 I'm a life coach. 00:04:14.160 --> 00:04:29.860 My wife and I started a a Catholic coaching company called Metanoia Catholic where Catholics can come and receive the benefits of personal development without being afraid of being led astray subtly by a lot of the secular humanistic and new age influences that are found often in the personal development world. 00:04:31.465 --> 00:04:36.985 I I I saw an opportunity here to kind of grow a little bit more, and really that was the impetus behind it. 00:04:36.985 --> 00:04:38.425 Like, I wanted to be a better coach. 00:04:38.425 --> 00:04:39.785 I wanna be more formed. 00:04:39.785 --> 00:04:42.505 I never had gone to school like my wife had. 00:04:42.505 --> 00:04:43.865 She's got a theology degree. 00:04:43.865 --> 00:04:45.510 I'd never had that type of formation. 00:04:45.570 --> 00:04:52.230 Certainly, a lot of my cell formation and and theology of the body institute, but I I wanted more formation. 00:04:53.090 --> 00:04:54.770 And that's kind of what peaked it. 00:04:54.770 --> 00:04:58.050 And it was it wasn't even like I wanna be a spiritual director. 00:04:58.050 --> 00:05:01.035 I feel called to be a spiritual director if I'm being honest. 00:05:01.415 --> 00:05:12.215 It was something where it's like, I I want to I wanna know a little bit more about this this discipline that is is been kind of mysterious, but there's some attraction to it. 00:05:12.215 --> 00:05:13.835 I guess that's kind of where it started. 00:05:13.975 --> 00:05:14.475 Mhmm. 00:05:14.910 --> 00:05:15.790 That's so interesting. 00:05:15.790 --> 00:05:16.190 Well yeah. 00:05:16.190 --> 00:05:17.310 And it seems so natural. 00:05:17.310 --> 00:05:27.330 Like, if you're in the coaching business, and that's kinda where you've been drawn to it, which is, you know, helping people grow kind of in there, like you're saying, in human formation. 00:05:28.205 --> 00:05:30.205 Spiritual direction has a lot to do with that. 00:05:30.205 --> 00:05:33.165 They're kind of, like, you know, great partners to have, I would imagine. 00:05:33.165 --> 00:05:33.825 You know? 00:05:34.125 --> 00:05:40.285 Having a coach, but also having a spiritual director, maybe a different person or something like that. 00:05:40.285 --> 00:05:43.325 But I can see how you would be interested in spiritual direction. 00:05:43.325 --> 00:05:50.040 And, also, like, so many of the people that come to our program, they've experienced the benefit of spiritual direction. 00:05:50.500 --> 00:06:05.205 And they just thought, you know, I myself, you know, that's kind of how I get into this field too, just being like, I need a spiritual director, and I can't do this life just by myself trying to figure this out. 00:06:05.205 --> 00:06:07.545 And, and then god's design. 00:06:07.845 --> 00:06:08.245 Yeah. 00:06:08.245 --> 00:06:08.745 Exactly. 00:06:09.125 --> 00:06:10.985 By design, you can't do it yourself. 00:06:11.170 --> 00:06:11.970 And that was another thing. 00:06:11.970 --> 00:06:18.050 I was just trying to find as I was we're benefiting from the coaching and and our Catholic faith being so important. 00:06:18.050 --> 00:06:18.930 It was like, okay. 00:06:18.930 --> 00:06:23.580 Are we just reinvent with Catholic coaching, are we just reinventing spiritual direction? 00:06:23.580 --> 00:06:25.325 And And so that was kind of the question. 00:06:25.325 --> 00:06:26.625 It's like, what's the distinction? 00:06:26.685 --> 00:06:33.565 Even when I went to the first, the first residency at DMU, I was wrestling with that big time. 00:06:33.565 --> 00:06:39.085 And I don't know if you remember, but I was just I remember, talking with some of the instructors and kinda going back and forth. 00:06:39.085 --> 00:06:45.030 And I remember Yvonne, one of the instructors kind of catching me staying very cerebral. 00:06:45.330 --> 00:06:47.090 And she was like, man, I want you to deepen. 00:06:47.090 --> 00:06:48.230 I want you to go deeper. 00:06:48.930 --> 00:06:56.085 And that was, like, the beginning of where I started to see the spiritual direction, but certainly a distinction. 00:06:56.945 --> 00:07:01.425 And really where I've arrived at is the goal of coaching is getting people into movement. 00:07:01.425 --> 00:07:12.360 The goal of spiritual direction is getting people into rest, like a deep rest where you're encountering, and it's perfectly active per you're encountering Christ is perfectly active, perfectly passive. 00:07:12.900 --> 00:07:30.385 And it's really entering into that beautiful Marian posture, and you're going much deeper than, and and even on, like, an an area that's below the subconscious, dare I say, where the lord is just working in us in very mysterious ways, where he has increased, we have decreased, and it's not even fifty fifty. 00:07:30.385 --> 00:07:34.660 It's like we're going to a place where it is all the Lord encountering us. 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:42.980 And, it that place of rest is a a place I'm realizing a lot of my clients, even on the coaching side, they desire that. 00:07:43.520 --> 00:07:44.000 Mhmm. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:44.800 They desire it. 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:45.620 They need it. 00:07:46.105 --> 00:07:46.185 Yeah. 00:07:46.185 --> 00:07:48.425 It's more human than being in movement, being at rest. 00:07:48.425 --> 00:07:48.925 Yeah. 00:07:49.065 --> 00:07:51.485 It definitely makes me remember. 00:07:51.545 --> 00:07:53.645 I'm I know that I don't have this. 00:07:53.945 --> 00:08:04.530 I I'm gonna say Saint Augustine says, you know, god is more is more more central to us than our very heart or more deeper to us in our very heart. 00:08:04.530 --> 00:08:17.845 And when the catechism speaks the catechism of the Catholic church speaks about the role of the spiritual director, they really say that they're, you know, that they are leading us in prayer and leading us, you know, into the heart. 00:08:18.465 --> 00:08:18.965 Right? 00:08:19.185 --> 00:08:21.365 So I think that's kind of what you've been saying. 00:08:21.585 --> 00:08:25.025 Well, thanks so much, Matt, and we're gonna have a great conversation here. 00:08:25.025 --> 00:08:29.045 So let let's get into some of the questions just to get a sense about the program. 00:08:29.130 --> 00:08:29.530 Right? 00:08:29.530 --> 00:08:29.610 Sure. 00:08:29.610 --> 00:08:29.930 Yeah. 00:08:29.930 --> 00:08:30.570 Let's do it. 00:08:30.570 --> 00:08:34.510 So, so you already talked to us about what drew you to the program. 00:08:35.130 --> 00:08:38.910 And, you know, just in general, what's been your experience in the program? 00:08:39.290 --> 00:08:40.750 Just as a general question. 00:08:40.810 --> 00:08:42.385 We're gonna deep dig dig. 00:08:42.385 --> 00:08:42.705 Sure. 00:08:42.705 --> 00:08:43.025 Sure. 00:08:43.025 --> 00:08:45.525 We'll we'll always deepen, right, with spiritual direction. 00:08:46.225 --> 00:08:51.105 I I've really enjoyed it, and I I'd say the residencies have been my favorite part. 00:08:51.105 --> 00:08:54.725 That was, you know, distance learning has it comes with its challenges. 00:08:55.420 --> 00:09:00.540 For a while, I felt somewhat, like, disconnected from the cohort, that I was going through. 00:09:00.540 --> 00:09:09.440 And then once I and I deferred a couple of times, and, just just to kind of, you know, took a couple of breaks. 00:09:09.875 --> 00:09:19.735 But then once I I met up with that group, that cohort, and I was with them in person, I was like, I wanna stay with these people because you really there's a bond there in the residency. 00:09:21.970 --> 00:09:22.210 Yeah. 00:09:22.210 --> 00:09:23.170 That's so true. 00:09:23.170 --> 00:09:30.170 And, and I think that's a common response that people make, you know, that the residency is really just Mhmm. 00:09:30.370 --> 00:09:33.825 Make it click a lot more, that that bond. 00:09:33.905 --> 00:09:38.805 Even though you do get to know each other through the platform, but it's different. 00:09:39.185 --> 00:09:40.085 It's just different. 00:09:40.465 --> 00:09:41.125 You know? 00:09:41.505 --> 00:09:41.745 Yeah. 00:09:41.745 --> 00:09:42.385 Or is it different? 00:09:42.385 --> 00:09:51.600 And then when you start doing the the asynchronous sessions together and you're you're directing one another back and forth, those are some intimate conversations even when we're working with the verbatims. 00:09:52.140 --> 00:09:52.640 Yeah. 00:09:52.700 --> 00:09:53.200 Exactly. 00:09:53.580 --> 00:09:54.080 Exactly. 00:09:57.820 --> 00:10:04.685 So, you know, you said that you were just kinda drawn to the program to just to get to know spiritual direction more. 00:10:05.065 --> 00:10:10.425 But are you feeling as you're going through the program, are you feeling a call to yourself to this ministry? 00:10:10.425 --> 00:10:11.645 And Yeah. 00:10:12.105 --> 00:10:12.605 Yeah. 00:10:12.825 --> 00:10:18.460 It's it's it's it's finding it's creating space for it in my life right now. 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:24.060 We're we're I'm in Ave Maria, Florida, and so we've got AMU Ave Maria University right in our backyard. 00:10:24.760 --> 00:10:32.205 And, I had an opportunity to actually go and speak to, a group of the young men, recently, just last week. 00:10:32.665 --> 00:10:43.460 And, I just felt drawn to that campus, and, I was able to, like, petition to to start doing some direction on campus and just got approved by the president there to do some, work on campus. 00:10:43.460 --> 00:10:45.700 So, like, I I'm so excited about that. 00:10:45.700 --> 00:10:53.560 And so I feel drawn specifically to that group of young men in in in college here in AMU, our backyard right now. 00:10:54.500 --> 00:10:55.320 That's beautiful. 00:10:55.705 --> 00:10:56.145 Yeah. 00:10:56.145 --> 00:10:56.585 Yeah. 00:10:56.585 --> 00:10:59.785 You've got that opportunity right there, and that's kind of, I think, how it is. 00:10:59.785 --> 00:11:08.025 It's not you know, I was just working with the students that are finishing the certificate now, and we're we just finished that course a couple weeks ago. 00:11:08.025 --> 00:11:23.660 And that's one of the things we were talking about that it's not just even being feeling drawn to spiritual direction, but also to who a certain group of people, you know, in a certain time or a period to be accompanying them or, you know, or individuals. 00:11:23.800 --> 00:11:24.200 Right? 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:24.600 Right. 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:25.820 Company those individuals. 00:11:26.555 --> 00:11:26.875 Mhmm. 00:11:26.875 --> 00:11:27.355 Indeed. 00:11:27.355 --> 00:11:27.675 Yes. 00:11:27.675 --> 00:11:28.175 Yep. 00:11:29.355 --> 00:11:41.855 So so, what is something that you discovered as you've gone through the spiritual direction certificate about spiritual direction that you didn't know before? 00:11:43.410 --> 00:11:46.630 It was it was, the deepening work. 00:11:47.250 --> 00:12:03.845 And, in coaching, we've done you know, we we we deepen into emotions, we process emotions, we see the value in emotions, But oftentimes, we're staying kind of at a cognitive level where people have, you know, a lot of conscious control of the thoughts that they're thinking. 00:12:03.845 --> 00:12:04.085 Okay? 00:12:04.085 --> 00:12:06.405 So we're taking those thoughts captive to obey Christ. 00:12:06.405 --> 00:12:13.890 But it and the coaches is involved even though it's kind of 90% the the client, 10% the coach. 00:12:14.110 --> 00:12:16.190 But stepping into that place where it's just like, no. 00:12:16.190 --> 00:12:23.665 You it's it's a 100% the client, 100 God doing the work, and you're just kind of, like, facilitating. 00:12:25.085 --> 00:12:27.585 That that was a stretch for me. 00:12:29.165 --> 00:12:41.950 And even even in the sessions kind of starting to and and starting to direct people, starting to see, like, witness that sacred that sacred relationship that you're just kind of sitting there and you're observing. 00:12:42.090 --> 00:12:45.390 It's it's very holy ground in spiritual direction. 00:12:45.770 --> 00:12:50.430 And it's something where where I have something to deal that's, you know, I'm a cleric personality. 00:12:50.490 --> 00:13:00.225 I like to take control, and and to kind of be in that place where I must decrease, he must increase, and kind of step back. 00:13:00.685 --> 00:13:02.785 That was that was learning for me. 00:13:03.325 --> 00:13:17.330 But in doing that, it created the space that I hadn't before to really see something, like, divine taking place, a divine connection taking place, between the direct ye and our lord. 00:13:19.025 --> 00:13:19.425 Yeah. 00:13:19.425 --> 00:13:22.165 So it is it is such a sacred space. 00:13:22.705 --> 00:13:35.950 And, so I think let me let me just explain a little bit about what we kind of how we teach spiritual direction here kind of not because it's more kind of like the method, right? 00:13:36.810 --> 00:13:38.830 Like that you've been referring to, right? 00:13:38.970 --> 00:13:46.350 It's often called the contemplative evocative method, or the Ignatian method of spiritual, spiritual direction. 00:13:46.730 --> 00:13:50.535 Even though you know, the pro our program is not specifically nation. 00:13:50.535 --> 00:13:56.075 We just try to take from all the different, you know, great resources and authors in the church. 00:13:58.215 --> 00:14:05.640 But it's basically a situation or where we try to create a prayerful environment in the spiritual direction session. 00:14:05.940 --> 00:14:26.520 And then through questions, or reflecting back to the directee, allowing them to enter into their interiority, into that interior space where we know that the lord dwells so that they can encounter the lord and, get maybe get a greater clarity of where the lord is at work in their life. 00:14:26.680 --> 00:14:38.460 You know, having giving them the opportunity to glimpse that narrative, that story that the Lord is is carrying forward in their lives with them and with their cooperation and collaboration. 00:14:39.375 --> 00:14:50.915 So, as you were saying, Matt, I find it to be a very gentle and beautiful way of, you know, leading a spiritual direction session. 00:14:51.950 --> 00:14:54.590 And I've had beautiful experiences just like you. 00:14:54.590 --> 00:15:03.890 I've just, seeing the person really being touched by the Lord or, just getting greater clarity about where the Lord is actually working. 00:15:04.225 --> 00:15:09.425 You know, and and, and that's so much of what Saint Ignatius has always talked about. 00:15:09.425 --> 00:15:16.405 And even, you know, even some of the Carmelite, writers, Saint Teresa of Avila too and Saint John of the Cross. 00:15:16.610 --> 00:15:26.850 You know, I was just reading Saint John of the Cross because I chose him to be my companion during Lent this year, and he really says, oh, you know, just listen, listen, listen. 00:15:26.850 --> 00:15:32.985 As a spiritual director, listen, and and the Lord will speak. 00:15:33.445 --> 00:15:42.330 And, so he did a lot of deep listening himself, which is has made me even like him even more recently. 00:15:42.710 --> 00:15:43.030 Yeah. 00:15:43.030 --> 00:15:53.770 You gotta do your own work as a director, and and it's like I I realized that that this has also drawn me deeper into my own contemplative prayer life, being a part of this. 00:15:54.215 --> 00:16:02.315 Is because as a director, you you really have to go you have to go first, and you have to I think I think you have to experience that for yourself. 00:16:02.775 --> 00:16:12.510 Not that it's you that's giving it, but it's you that's recognizing how good this place of contemplation is that you're you don't wanna you don't wanna mess it up. 00:16:12.510 --> 00:16:15.230 You don't wanna you just wanna create that space. 00:16:15.230 --> 00:16:22.370 Like you said, create that environment that allows that person, that inclines that person to enter in to that sacred space. 00:16:22.670 --> 00:16:35.475 And that, you know, just that whole trust, building up that trustful relationship and stuff like that so that the person really can feel that they can enter into their interior and share share with you what they feel like is going on there. 00:16:35.695 --> 00:16:36.175 Yeah. 00:16:36.175 --> 00:16:37.215 It's deep stuff. 00:16:37.215 --> 00:16:37.955 It's vulnerable. 00:16:38.530 --> 00:16:40.390 It's vulnerable, but it is beautiful. 00:16:40.770 --> 00:16:41.270 Beautiful. 00:16:41.730 --> 00:16:42.210 Yeah. 00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:45.170 And, you know, it's just such a help for us. 00:16:45.170 --> 00:16:45.490 Right? 00:16:45.490 --> 00:16:48.870 I know I can speak from my own experience of having a spiritual director. 00:16:50.290 --> 00:16:55.355 So, Matt, so what do you think has been the most difficult for you in this program? 00:16:55.355 --> 00:17:25.625 Has it been the I I mean, it's like it's from from me personally, it's like which hat am I am I wearing, and it's trying to draw the distinction because it's it's kinda I I liken it to, you know, being in the Marine Corps whenever we go out to the rifle range, all the all the all the coaches on the rifle range would say, you know, we hate working with people that have been, you know, shooting their whole life because they got all kinds of bad habits and all kinds of or just habits that are built up that aren't necessarily in line with the fundamentals that we teach. 00:17:25.625 --> 00:17:32.445 We love having somebody that just they've never picked up a gun before, and so we can really teach them how to shoot that rifle well. 00:17:33.465 --> 00:17:41.750 I was kind of like the guy showing up, I think, with that Kentucky windage sort of experience of, you you know, I had an idea in my head of what direction was like. 00:17:42.130 --> 00:18:00.145 And and so that that paradigm shift for me personally of of really, really like, you're creating a space and your hands are not involved in this and finding that balance too, where you're you're not, like, detached from what's going on there. 00:18:00.145 --> 00:18:23.885 You're still you're still very present, yet you're you're so docile to the movements of the spirit, and you're you're just so good at holding the space, suspending judgment, just allowing whatever comes up to be there, and not trying to correct or not trying to, like, steer where you think it needs to go unless we're just bringing it back to this encounter with the Lord. 00:18:23.885 --> 00:18:27.185 That's kind of where I see, like, kind of the guiding steps there. 00:18:27.485 --> 00:18:33.325 So that I'd say that was the biggest challenge was just, I guess, kind of learning how, like, okay. 00:18:33.325 --> 00:18:33.485 No. 00:18:33.485 --> 00:18:39.760 There is a distinction between coaching and spiritual direction or counseling for those counselors out there in spiritual direction. 00:18:40.140 --> 00:18:42.300 And and I remember I was searching for that. 00:18:42.300 --> 00:18:48.585 I wanted to know because I wanna know where to draw the line, and I wanna know if it was they were distinct. 00:18:48.585 --> 00:18:49.965 And folks, they are distinct. 00:18:50.025 --> 00:18:53.405 They've got distinct motivations, distinct ends that they're seeking. 00:18:54.025 --> 00:18:56.685 And, but they're great compliments as well. 00:18:56.985 --> 00:18:57.465 Yeah. 00:18:57.465 --> 00:18:57.965 Exactly. 00:18:59.210 --> 00:18:59.710 Thanks. 00:19:00.410 --> 00:19:00.490 Yeah. 00:19:00.490 --> 00:19:08.530 Learning how to kind of it's almost like a dance when you're giving spiritual direction, learning how to kind of just know how to move Yeah. 00:19:08.730 --> 00:19:21.875 And allow the holy spirit to be, you know, just to be aware, the presence of the holy spirit, both you and the director and just to try to, as you said, just to be docile there to move along. 00:19:22.095 --> 00:19:27.090 So it does, you know, sometimes people will say, why is it called spiritual direction? 00:19:27.230 --> 00:19:29.010 Are you really directing the person? 00:19:29.070 --> 00:19:52.505 And I'm like, oh, well, I mean, God is directing the person, and you're really trying to be deeply listening to where God is directing the person and and ask the right questions and stop, you know, maybe stop the conversations at the right moments to help them maybe have a time of silence or, to just be like, oh, let's go back to that point that you mentioned. 00:19:52.565 --> 00:19:56.450 Or, you know, there what were you feeling there? 00:19:56.450 --> 00:19:57.410 What were you sensing? 00:19:57.410 --> 00:19:59.410 Where did where did you find the Lord there? 00:19:59.410 --> 00:19:59.730 Right? 00:19:59.730 --> 00:20:00.290 So Yeah. 00:20:00.290 --> 00:20:01.350 We're so frenetic. 00:20:01.810 --> 00:20:02.210 Yeah. 00:20:02.210 --> 00:20:04.050 Our culture, we're we're just so frenetic. 00:20:04.050 --> 00:20:13.045 We're just constantly vibrating and kind of, like, so many distractions that that these these moments of the Lord speaking, they show up and we miss them. 00:20:13.665 --> 00:20:19.985 And so if you're the director and you're you're listening in, it's like, I I I kinda think we need to go back to this. 00:20:19.985 --> 00:20:33.840 And I had a I had a session recently where it was like, it was at that we started off, it looked like there was like a particular part that was a kind of like, took like a little mental, you know, dog ear to that conversation, like, maybe we might go back to that. 00:20:34.095 --> 00:20:37.135 And then more things started to come up that said, let's go back to that. 00:20:37.135 --> 00:20:38.175 And then I said, okay. 00:20:38.175 --> 00:20:39.475 Can we go back to this? 00:20:39.855 --> 00:20:45.075 And I'll tell you what, we just went back there, and the Lord had something very profound to give that direct to you in that moment. 00:20:45.535 --> 00:20:54.120 So there is there is some direction in that case, but it's not me, my will, where I choose that it goes based on my human reason alone. 00:20:54.660 --> 00:20:59.140 There's there's a docility that's there, and that's why it's so important for us. 00:20:59.140 --> 00:21:01.585 I mean, we gotta have our own prayer life. 00:21:01.585 --> 00:21:06.965 We gotta have our own direction, but we're we have to be receiving direction ourselves, of course, at the very least. 00:21:07.505 --> 00:21:08.005 Mhmm. 00:21:08.305 --> 00:21:08.805 Definitely. 00:21:09.025 --> 00:21:09.525 Exactly. 00:21:10.225 --> 00:21:21.070 You know, and I think that's a common experience that the students have going through the program that they besides the fact that they feel, you know, called to a deeper and in more intimate relationship with the Lord. 00:21:21.070 --> 00:21:21.570 Right? 00:21:21.710 --> 00:21:28.370 They do want they really say, you know, if I'm not talking to the Lord and listening to him, how am I ever going to help other people? 00:21:28.645 --> 00:21:29.385 Forget it. 00:21:29.445 --> 00:21:29.765 Yeah. 00:21:29.765 --> 00:21:29.925 Yeah. 00:21:29.925 --> 00:21:30.325 Forget it. 00:21:30.325 --> 00:21:30.645 Yeah. 00:21:30.645 --> 00:21:31.945 I mean, it's it's a language. 00:21:32.165 --> 00:21:33.285 The holy spirit speaks. 00:21:33.285 --> 00:21:42.585 And and and the more we grow fluent in that language, the more we can we can just help our help our directees become a student of that language as well. 00:21:42.645 --> 00:21:43.145 Mhmm. 00:21:43.285 --> 00:21:43.785 Exactly. 00:21:44.780 --> 00:21:46.960 So let's talk a little bit about the residencies. 00:21:47.260 --> 00:21:49.100 I know that was kinda your favorite part. 00:21:49.100 --> 00:21:56.640 I have a little thing here, that can explain a little bit kind of how they're set up so that people can see. 00:21:56.795 --> 00:21:58.095 It's a four day. 00:21:58.315 --> 00:21:58.715 You know? 00:21:58.715 --> 00:22:06.255 Basically, you get there on a Wednesday evening for a meet and greet, and then you're in the residency until Sunday lunch. 00:22:07.435 --> 00:22:23.630 And, it it goes through lectures in the morning for about an hour and a half, and then it breaks out into these these sessions like Matt was talking about where you do these scenarios or, you know, and and role plays with a faculty member. 00:22:24.055 --> 00:22:27.095 And then, there's a little retreat on Saturday morning. 00:22:27.095 --> 00:22:36.695 Just have some time of personal prayer, inquire for yourself, and then everything wraps up on Sunday, with evaluation, more time of personal prayer. 00:22:36.695 --> 00:22:38.790 And each residency, there's two of them. 00:22:38.790 --> 00:22:54.225 Each residency kind of has their final work that we want the people to do, whether it's a plan of how they're gonna take care of themselves as spiritual directors or or just a greater digging into kind of what their needs might be as a spiritual director. 00:22:54.225 --> 00:22:57.045 That's something that they usually do in that time on Saturday. 00:22:57.985 --> 00:22:59.505 So, They were great. 00:22:59.505 --> 00:23:00.145 I'll tell you what. 00:23:00.145 --> 00:23:07.700 We like, we had at our residency, we we had an impromptu in in the hotel in the hotel, like, dining area. 00:23:07.840 --> 00:23:11.520 We had an impromptu healing prayer service that we did. 00:23:11.520 --> 00:23:13.920 And so, with one of the preset was there. 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:17.185 And it was just it was so profound, like, getting getting together. 00:23:17.185 --> 00:23:23.585 Certainly, just there's a camaraderie that happens when you start to be vulnerable in front of one another. 00:23:23.585 --> 00:23:36.850 And these little side sessions that, Maria was talking about where we're going and we're actually kind of we're we're literally directing one another, in front of a a small group, and and, we're growing together. 00:23:36.850 --> 00:23:37.750 It's it's vulnerable. 00:23:37.890 --> 00:23:42.290 And so there's a bond that takes place there, but that was so special when we had that. 00:23:42.290 --> 00:23:48.035 I'll always remember it when we had that prayer, impromptu prayer session right there in the hotel, and people are coming in. 00:23:48.035 --> 00:23:49.715 They're going, what's going on over here? 00:23:49.715 --> 00:23:50.375 You know? 00:23:50.435 --> 00:23:50.935 Mhmm. 00:23:51.235 --> 00:23:53.555 But it was there was a deep bond that was there. 00:23:53.555 --> 00:23:53.875 Mhmm. 00:23:53.875 --> 00:23:54.935 It was really special. 00:23:56.275 --> 00:23:56.775 Yeah. 00:23:57.300 --> 00:23:59.860 And and you you might be able to see with the pictures. 00:23:59.860 --> 00:24:09.495 I mean, it's just a group, you know, it's a group of all different types of people, men and women, priests, deacons, sisters, consecrated men and women. 00:24:09.875 --> 00:24:12.035 There are some protestants, Catholics. 00:24:12.035 --> 00:24:15.495 It's really anyone that is wants to learn within this tradition. 00:24:15.635 --> 00:24:30.030 So it is a really rich group, and and although the majority of the people tend to be about, you know, forties, fifties, sixties, there, you know, there's a wide range of ages. 00:24:30.730 --> 00:24:35.390 And there's definitely people that are, you know, in their thirties too that are going through the program. 00:24:37.105 --> 00:24:46.165 So it is a beautiful experience, and it allows us, you know, in the program just to have some time with the students, with all of you to work on the skills. 00:24:46.625 --> 00:24:47.365 You know? 00:24:47.745 --> 00:25:02.850 But, you know, besides you watching videos and reading things and seeing that on the platform as you're going through the courses to actually sit down and have faculty members sitting with you and giving you feedback about, okay, this, why don't you try this? 00:25:02.850 --> 00:25:25.850 Or you're doing that, but you're you're falling into problem solving mode or you're not, you're not picking up on what they're actually saying, you know, just to kind of how to sit with a person and be aware of everything, you know, their physical presence, their words, everything that they're presenting in that moment, of course, with the help of the holy spirit. 00:25:26.150 --> 00:25:36.145 And that's where and and it's everything that you were just saying there, Maria, is is where I really started to learn what spiritual direction was and what it was not. 00:25:36.285 --> 00:25:44.625 I I I again, my biggest thing, I went in here with this conception based on my own soda straw experience of direction of what it was. 00:25:45.085 --> 00:25:50.090 And it was like there was there was some really good boundaries. 00:25:50.470 --> 00:25:54.710 And I remember, Yvonne, like, I always I remember her just stopping me. 00:25:54.710 --> 00:25:59.370 Like, and me thinking I was doing a great job in this this one point in the session. 00:25:59.510 --> 00:26:00.870 And it was just kinda like, what? 00:26:00.870 --> 00:26:01.670 What's going on? 00:26:01.670 --> 00:26:04.945 She's like, you you keep staying very cognitively. 00:26:05.165 --> 00:26:06.285 We wanna go deeper deeper. 00:26:06.285 --> 00:26:17.405 And it's like a whole part of that first that first residency is about deepening into emotional experiences and and really going to that ground zero of where the Lord is waiting to encounter this directee. 00:26:17.405 --> 00:26:18.970 And it's like, okay. 00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:19.370 You know? 00:26:19.370 --> 00:26:20.890 But so, yeah. 00:26:20.890 --> 00:26:31.530 You show up to that first residency, just be ready to suspend any sort of ideas of what you might have or experience of what you have of of what spiritual direction can ought to be. 00:26:31.530 --> 00:26:36.545 This is a this is a particular tradition that that, that we're getting trained in. 00:26:36.545 --> 00:26:38.805 I don't really know many of the other traditions. 00:26:38.945 --> 00:26:40.325 I love this though. 00:26:40.385 --> 00:26:48.645 There's something that's just very, you know, he must increase, we must decrease that I think is this we need more of it in this world. 00:26:48.910 --> 00:26:49.410 Yeah. 00:26:50.350 --> 00:26:51.330 Thanks, Matt. 00:26:51.550 --> 00:26:56.290 So, Matt, what was, what surprised you about your experience in the program? 00:26:59.470 --> 00:26:59.970 Surprises. 00:27:03.245 --> 00:27:13.905 I think I was I was surprised by the residency and I I have not done a whole lot of retreats in a while. 00:27:14.205 --> 00:27:15.985 I haven't retreated in a while. 00:27:17.430 --> 00:27:35.385 And so just being around people that it's it's a regular part of their life to, you know, go on retreat, and then enter and retreat with those people, that was I I just it was it was more of a surprise of, like, I I need this. 00:27:35.385 --> 00:27:36.525 I need this more. 00:27:37.305 --> 00:27:45.965 And, you know, part of the part of the, certification is is you need to either go on an Ignatian retreat or you have to do the, the nineteenth annotation. 00:27:47.130 --> 00:27:50.730 And I hadn't been on an Ignatian style retreat in a while. 00:27:50.730 --> 00:27:55.150 I looked them up, but I didn't even know what the nineteenth annotation was. 00:27:55.450 --> 00:27:57.370 I I mean, I still could somebody asked me. 00:27:57.370 --> 00:27:58.090 I was just like, okay. 00:27:58.090 --> 00:28:02.625 It's just kind of a long concentrated spiritual direction, you know, over a couple of months. 00:28:02.785 --> 00:28:03.525 I know. 00:28:04.465 --> 00:28:10.245 But I was able to actually, through the program, I encountered someone who's now my spiritual director. 00:28:10.625 --> 00:28:16.625 And, he is now getting skilled up in the nineteenth annotation to take me through the nineteenth annotation. 00:28:16.625 --> 00:28:20.630 And that's something I'm just I'm super excited about. 00:28:20.630 --> 00:28:28.890 So realizing how much I need to retreat and and also how much I need to make space for my wife for her to go on retreat. 00:28:29.110 --> 00:28:31.770 And and we really need we've got a four year old daughter. 00:28:32.205 --> 00:28:38.225 We really just need to to mirror this and exemplify the importance of retreating. 00:28:39.885 --> 00:28:40.385 Beautiful. 00:28:40.685 --> 00:28:41.185 Yeah. 00:28:41.805 --> 00:28:42.545 That balance. 00:28:42.605 --> 00:28:42.845 Right? 00:28:42.845 --> 00:28:43.405 That balance. 00:28:43.405 --> 00:28:43.805 Indeed. 00:28:43.805 --> 00:28:44.125 Yeah. 00:28:44.125 --> 00:28:44.285 Yep. 00:28:44.445 --> 00:28:46.625 We've been talking about in different ways here. 00:28:48.090 --> 00:28:48.910 Let's see. 00:28:48.970 --> 00:28:50.830 So, Matt, you were a dad. 00:28:50.890 --> 00:28:51.870 You're a husband. 00:28:52.090 --> 00:28:53.070 You're a layman. 00:28:54.490 --> 00:29:00.990 You know, what would you say to other laymen and women that are looking into this program? 00:29:01.735 --> 00:29:05.335 Because, it's not that lay spiritual directors are new. 00:29:05.335 --> 00:29:07.115 I always remind people, hey. 00:29:07.255 --> 00:29:10.155 John Paul the second's first spiritual director was a layman. 00:29:10.615 --> 00:29:11.175 You know? 00:29:11.175 --> 00:29:15.990 And, and all the apostles all started out as laymen before they were ordained. 00:29:16.070 --> 00:29:16.390 Right? 00:29:16.390 --> 00:29:20.490 And the early desert fathers and mothers often were laypeople. 00:29:20.630 --> 00:29:21.130 Right? 00:29:21.510 --> 00:29:32.195 So this tradition of the lay spiritual directors is not definitely not a new one in the church, even though different times historically, priests have taken over this role. 00:29:32.195 --> 00:29:32.695 Right? 00:29:32.995 --> 00:29:51.050 But, now I think, you know, pope Benedict has some great quotes just about how every person that's really wanting to follow Jesus, that this be a disciple of Jesus should have a spiritual director and and how these this is really, you know, open for anyone. 00:29:51.050 --> 00:29:52.110 So you're a layman. 00:29:52.170 --> 00:29:57.710 What would you say to laymen and women that are maybe feeling a call or looking into the program? 00:29:58.215 --> 00:29:58.715 Sure. 00:29:59.335 --> 00:29:59.415 Sure. 00:29:59.415 --> 00:30:03.435 I mean, the first thing comes to mind is is everyone needs a spiritual director. 00:30:04.055 --> 00:30:07.575 And maybe that's a provocative statement, but I'm gonna go ahead and say it. 00:30:07.575 --> 00:30:10.315 I think everybody needs a spiritual director. 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:20.620 And if we're gonna say everybody needs a spiritual director or even 10% of the people out there need a spiritual director, maybe that's a little bit easier for somebody to believe. 00:30:21.320 --> 00:30:22.540 Who's gonna do it? 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:32.605 Like, it's it's and and the Lord desires to to father this generation that's come in, mother this generation that's coming that's coming up. 00:30:32.825 --> 00:30:46.520 And if you look to the, like, the state of the family right now, there is a need for spiritual fathers and spiritual mothers to really come forth and and steward this next generation that's coming up. 00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:51.000 And so there's a little bit of a, if not you, then who that's there. 00:30:51.545 --> 00:30:54.985 But so that's kinda like the marine in me that's that's moving forward. 00:30:54.985 --> 00:31:05.290 But but also, like, take if you have any judgments of, like I know some people are very particular and saying spiritual direction should only be done by clergy. 00:31:05.290 --> 00:31:05.790 Okay. 00:31:05.850 --> 00:31:06.170 Alright. 00:31:06.170 --> 00:31:06.970 You can have that thought. 00:31:06.970 --> 00:31:09.770 You have to justify that thought, you know, because it doesn't say that anywhere else. 00:31:09.770 --> 00:31:14.350 So if you're gonna stand and and that's gonna be you're gonna be the authority saying that's the case, then okay. 00:31:14.650 --> 00:31:19.870 You it's it's on the burden of proof is on you for that, because tradition doesn't back that up. 00:31:21.035 --> 00:31:29.755 So so, but if you just kinda suspend that and even suspend any of the thoughts of, like, well, who am I gonna do or how am I gonna do it? 00:31:29.755 --> 00:31:32.235 Like, how I we always say this in coaching too. 00:31:32.235 --> 00:31:34.655 How is the greatest dream killer question? 00:31:35.120 --> 00:31:36.000 It doesn't matter. 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.740 It's none of our business, the how it's going to happen. 00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.080 It's whether or not you've been called to do it. 00:31:42.080 --> 00:31:44.000 That's the most important thing. 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.400 Is the Lord calling you to do this? 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:50.925 And only you with the Lord can answer that question. 00:31:51.465 --> 00:31:54.665 And so that's really the only question that matters here. 00:31:54.665 --> 00:31:56.505 Is the Lord calling you to do this? 00:31:56.505 --> 00:32:00.665 If the answer is no, then doesn't matter DMU, any other program that's out there. 00:32:00.665 --> 00:32:02.205 He's not calling you to do this. 00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:05.920 But he's calling you to do this, that's step one. 00:32:06.300 --> 00:32:07.820 And the invitation say yes to that. 00:32:07.820 --> 00:32:08.460 It's like, okay. 00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:12.160 So then next step is like, what what's the practical next step for that? 00:32:12.220 --> 00:32:24.455 I the my practical next step was going to the DMU website and reaching out and checking it out and having a conversation with my wife and saying, is is this something that you're willing for me to invest in me going through this? 00:32:24.455 --> 00:32:25.515 And she said, yes. 00:32:25.975 --> 00:32:27.540 And it was like a full yes. 00:32:27.540 --> 00:32:28.660 It wasn't a reluctant yes. 00:32:28.660 --> 00:32:29.380 It was a full yes. 00:32:29.380 --> 00:32:35.780 And we felt that peace that surpasses all understanding, and we move forward not fully understanding what you're getting into. 00:32:35.780 --> 00:32:38.760 But typically, when you start something new, that's usually the case. 00:32:39.060 --> 00:32:39.560 Mhmm. 00:32:39.780 --> 00:32:40.180 Yeah. 00:32:40.180 --> 00:32:40.740 So true. 00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:41.445 So true. 00:32:41.925 --> 00:32:43.445 And that's the beauty of it too. 00:32:43.445 --> 00:32:43.765 Right? 00:32:43.765 --> 00:32:47.145 God has a lot of treasures that he's gonna be giving you along the way. 00:32:48.245 --> 00:32:53.125 You know, we'd we'd be foolish to think if we don't, we would be able to understand everything from the get go. 00:32:53.125 --> 00:32:54.000 That's for sure. 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:54.560 Yeah. 00:32:54.560 --> 00:32:54.880 Yeah. 00:32:54.880 --> 00:33:00.400 Because there's so much of the you know, Saint Paul says that I has not seen your ear heard what God has prepared for those who love him. 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:05.940 And I always try to remind people that, you know, maybe Saint Paul's not just talking about heaven. 00:33:06.495 --> 00:33:06.895 You know? 00:33:06.895 --> 00:33:10.675 Maybe he's talking about the way that our plans unfold in our lives too. 00:33:11.295 --> 00:33:11.795 Indeed. 00:33:11.935 --> 00:33:12.435 Yeah. 00:33:12.495 --> 00:33:12.995 Yeah. 00:33:13.535 --> 00:33:26.540 So well, I did wanna leave some time here from some questions at the end, but let me see, if there's anything else here, Matt, or, if there's anything else you just wanna share. 00:33:26.540 --> 00:33:26.860 You know? 00:33:26.860 --> 00:33:28.800 I I've been riddling you with questions. 00:33:28.860 --> 00:33:48.920 So if there's anything you else wanna share, I think, you know I mean, I I I loved another thing I loved about the program was being exposed to so many, so many great writers and works that I I just never would have picked picked up myself. 00:33:50.580 --> 00:33:57.460 Ralph Martin's The Fulfillment of of Desire was just like it just it rocks my world because it was so pithy. 00:33:57.460 --> 00:34:00.920 It had so much from these mystical doctors of the church. 00:34:01.275 --> 00:34:05.775 And it was a book that I'd seen before, and I was sitting on the shelf of my parents' house. 00:34:06.115 --> 00:34:18.590 And I just diving into that, and it's it was just it was at a time in our life my life also, where my wife and I were starting to do a lot of the research into, like, okay. 00:34:18.590 --> 00:34:20.430 Can coaching really be something that's Catholic? 00:34:20.430 --> 00:34:29.490 And we started to see a lot of everything that we loved in coaching echoed already in the mystical doctors of the church, and there was such alignment that was there. 00:34:30.745 --> 00:34:50.470 And, and, yeah, that even even the the meta model, you know, the DMUs, cap Catholic Christian meta model, the person, like, that that ontology is is the antidote to the new ontology that is being pushed in kind of the woke movement. 00:34:51.250 --> 00:34:57.205 And I remember there was a speaker who said that I I I listened to recently. 00:34:57.205 --> 00:34:59.845 And, Michael Mattson Miller, I think is his name. 00:34:59.845 --> 00:35:03.785 And he said that the biggest danger is is the new ontology that's being pushed. 00:35:04.645 --> 00:35:09.950 Well, like, we that's why the meta model is so so it's so essential. 00:35:09.950 --> 00:35:21.170 It's it's we have a certification program for our Catholic coaching and, like, the meta model and a lot of the works that those mystic psych philosophy of psychology that's in there, that's that's the backbone. 00:35:21.310 --> 00:35:24.130 And and people hear that, and they love it. 00:35:24.485 --> 00:35:25.945 It resonates in them. 00:35:26.245 --> 00:35:30.325 And so we need people that are somewhat fluent, and and I'm using big words here. 00:35:30.325 --> 00:35:30.565 Right? 00:35:30.565 --> 00:35:31.285 Forgive me. 00:35:31.285 --> 00:35:46.170 But, like, we need people that are fluent in this ontology, just in fluent in god's design, right, is is what we need to be able to respond when they see somebody acting outside of it, to be able to invite them to step back into it. 00:35:46.170 --> 00:35:46.330 Yeah. 00:35:46.330 --> 00:35:47.610 And to the richness of it. 00:35:47.610 --> 00:35:48.110 Right? 00:35:48.170 --> 00:35:48.570 Yes. 00:35:48.570 --> 00:36:07.380 And that's what you know, you mentioned theology of the body, but, you know, when John Paul the second starts his catechesis on, that are now called theology of the body, he says that he is trying to kind of rearticulate an understanding of the human person for today's for today's person. 00:36:07.520 --> 00:36:12.740 He really felt like the need, almost like you you are experiencing or you experienced. 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:13.120 Right? 00:36:13.120 --> 00:36:31.335 And at the the university, I mean, that's the real reason also that the university, Divine Mercy University, was founded because psychologists were Catholic and Christian psychologists were saying, you know, psychology is getting hijacked by secularism and people that don't believe in the Lord. 00:36:31.795 --> 00:36:34.615 And, faith and reason always go together. 00:36:34.650 --> 00:36:37.790 So there has to be a way that this all can work out together. 00:36:38.250 --> 00:36:46.490 And that's, you know, the Catholic Christian Meta Model of the Human Person, which is the book that the university just published after twenty years of working. 00:36:46.490 --> 00:36:47.310 Twenty years. 00:36:47.565 --> 00:36:47.725 Yeah. 00:36:47.725 --> 00:37:08.700 And taking Thomistic philosophy, taking, some some things from John Paul and personalism and just saying, this is the beauty of the human person, rearticulating it and then making that articulation within the world of psychology and showing how faith and science actually work together. 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:09.420 Right? 00:37:09.640 --> 00:37:09.880 Yes. 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:17.945 Which we know, from the church's teachings and the documents, but to actually see it applied to the world of the human sciences has been beautiful. 00:37:18.165 --> 00:37:18.485 Yes. 00:37:18.485 --> 00:37:19.765 And you have to start there. 00:37:19.765 --> 00:37:26.325 I mean and then I I remember going to the TOB Institute, Christopher West saying, there are two questions that JP two was seeking to answer. 00:37:26.325 --> 00:37:27.625 What does it mean to be human? 00:37:28.190 --> 00:37:29.070 That's number one. 00:37:29.070 --> 00:37:33.650 And then based on that, how do we live our life in a in a way that brings about true happiness? 00:37:33.950 --> 00:37:38.430 So we got a theology of the body, what does it mean to be human, and certainly that Catholic anthropology that's there. 00:37:38.430 --> 00:37:41.310 But then we got this personalism in the response to the second question. 00:37:41.310 --> 00:37:44.295 How do we live our lives in a way that builds brings about true happiness? 00:37:44.675 --> 00:37:56.215 And when you call people into that ethic, it again, it resonates because it it's it you create an environment that is conducive to who they actually are, and they just feel at home for it. 00:37:56.355 --> 00:38:04.090 And and I think a lot of the time, even people that are Catholic by name, right, or Catholic by tradition, they still don't know the anthology. 00:38:04.090 --> 00:38:05.870 They still haven't experienced it. 00:38:06.010 --> 00:38:16.545 And so we need people that are going out that are disrupting the mediocrity in the church and bringing the truth and the beauty and the goodness of this Catholic anthropology out to people. 00:38:16.545 --> 00:38:20.325 Spiritual direction is a is a tremendous means of getting it out there. 00:38:20.705 --> 00:38:21.205 Yeah. 00:38:22.065 --> 00:38:22.465 Yes. 00:38:22.465 --> 00:38:23.525 Thanks so much. 00:38:24.065 --> 00:38:37.840 So, Matt, before we go on to the questions of the panelist, did you wanna just speak a little bit, about your organization, what you do, and maybe even pop into the chat your, your website? 00:38:38.060 --> 00:38:38.380 Sure. 00:38:38.380 --> 00:38:39.180 I can do that here. 00:38:39.180 --> 00:38:42.000 Let me just get it real quick. 00:38:45.145 --> 00:38:50.105 Because I I just think it's a, you know, it's it's, great what you're doing. 00:38:50.105 --> 00:38:55.165 Some people might be interested in looking for a follow-up for something. 00:38:55.225 --> 00:38:55.465 Sure. 00:38:55.465 --> 00:38:55.785 Sure. 00:38:55.785 --> 00:38:57.485 I'll put it in there for everyone. 00:38:59.350 --> 00:39:00.410 And that's us. 00:39:01.030 --> 00:39:08.650 So, we we bought the domain catholiccoaching.com after we realized that nobody knows how to spell metanoia Catholic. 00:39:08.870 --> 00:39:09.690 There you go. 00:39:10.310 --> 00:39:12.855 But but that's that's the that's the name of our of our company. 00:39:12.855 --> 00:39:14.375 It's called Metanoia Catholic. 00:39:14.375 --> 00:39:16.955 Metanoia being that first imperative in the gospel. 00:39:17.575 --> 00:39:21.015 Mark one fifteen, repents, metanoia, and believe the gospel. 00:39:21.015 --> 00:39:39.550 And so, as mindset coaches seeing that, the person is transformed not by the renewing of behaviors, but by the renewing of the mind, that's really where we live and we experience such freedom in being able to take all those thoughts captive to be brought into obedience to Christ, second Corinthians ten five. 00:39:40.265 --> 00:39:47.145 And, teaching people that the thought life that they have, eventually, those words become flesh. 00:39:47.145 --> 00:39:47.545 Right? 00:39:47.545 --> 00:39:49.405 We are just incarnation machines. 00:39:50.025 --> 00:39:55.680 We don't get to choose whether or not we make words flesh, but we do get to choose which words we make flesh. 00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:02.420 So Philippians four eight, we wanna think on all those good things, those noble things, and we wanna have our minds really operating from truth. 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:08.655 And so, we do this, we deliver our work through really two means. 00:40:08.655 --> 00:40:11.455 We coach and then we train other Catholic coaches. 00:40:11.455 --> 00:40:17.475 And so we've got a, for those that are seeking coaching, we have an online coaching membership. 00:40:17.535 --> 00:40:18.515 It's a group coaching. 00:40:19.215 --> 00:40:21.135 It's called the Metanoia Catholic Academy. 00:40:21.135 --> 00:40:22.015 We do group coaching. 00:40:22.015 --> 00:40:23.280 We do work workshops in there. 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.760 There's one on one coaching opportunities that are in there. 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:34.580 But it's a fantastic community for Catholics who love personal development that again wanna be in a place where they can be an integrity with their faith and not being afraid of being led astray. 00:40:34.905 --> 00:40:40.985 And then some people, even those people in the academy, eventually, they desire to accompany other people along on the journey. 00:40:40.985 --> 00:40:42.765 They wanna up level their skills. 00:40:42.905 --> 00:40:48.285 And so we have our coach training program where we teach really accompaniment and something called Catholic Coaching Foundations. 00:40:49.410 --> 00:40:57.430 That's where you get really our fundamental lessons of that lay that Catholic anthropology and give that coaching ethic based on that Catholic anthropology. 00:40:57.650 --> 00:41:01.970 So there's a lot of lessons and then there's some skills and some workshop training we give you. 00:41:01.970 --> 00:41:02.690 So people leave there. 00:41:02.690 --> 00:41:04.390 They're able to give workshops on temperaments. 00:41:04.815 --> 00:41:09.135 They're able to give workshops on our reason cycle, which is foundational coaching process that we have. 00:41:09.135 --> 00:41:20.110 And then there's another one called the unique call to sanctity, which is really understanding God's design specific to that person, their unique calling in life, and helping them understand and to claim their God given name. 00:41:20.250 --> 00:41:26.830 And then those people that really want to to be professional coaches, we have a six month certification program called Pathic Coaching Certification. 00:41:27.530 --> 00:41:32.395 And, that is just where you are you are growing competence. 00:41:32.535 --> 00:41:35.815 We are drilling into my military style that's coming in here again. 00:41:35.815 --> 00:41:39.755 But it's it's like wax on, wax on, wax on, wax off of coaching. 00:41:40.055 --> 00:41:46.060 We break down all of our coaching concepts into to really manageable drills and people grow in the competencies. 00:41:46.200 --> 00:41:50.220 So when they go out and they coach, they're coaching from a a place of fluency. 00:41:51.080 --> 00:41:58.060 And, again, everything rests on the shoulders of our Catholic anthropology, JP two's personalism in there as well. 00:41:59.145 --> 00:42:08.105 And we we're on a mission to be the gold standard of Catholic coach training here by 2025, and we love getting our coaches out there. 00:42:08.105 --> 00:42:18.840 So we have actually, a closed cart for not that I'm trying to sell anybody right now, but we actually have our first certification our second, excuse me, cohort that is starting, this spring. 00:42:19.060 --> 00:42:20.740 And so we've got 30 people signed up. 00:42:20.740 --> 00:42:21.880 Please pray for them. 00:42:21.940 --> 00:42:22.020 Yeah. 00:42:22.180 --> 00:42:23.700 They're about to step off on a journey. 00:42:23.700 --> 00:42:26.055 And a lot of them think they're just me learning skills. 00:42:26.055 --> 00:42:26.215 No. 00:42:26.215 --> 00:42:28.135 We're gonna be going deep because we go first. 00:42:28.135 --> 00:42:28.375 Right? 00:42:28.375 --> 00:42:30.535 We got them beam and splinter work, folks. 00:42:30.535 --> 00:42:36.075 We gotta remove those beams first before we can help gently, remove the splinters from our brother's eyes. 00:42:36.615 --> 00:42:37.335 So true. 00:42:37.335 --> 00:42:38.375 Thanks for that, Matt. 00:42:38.375 --> 00:42:38.695 You bet. 00:42:38.695 --> 00:42:39.435 Thanks, Mary. 00:42:39.720 --> 00:42:40.042 Linda. 00:42:40.042 --> 00:42:50.021 To those, let's go to, I'm gonna put up this information just if anyone wants it, which is just kind of how to get in contact with our admissions adviser. 00:42:50.343 --> 00:42:53.715 And then let let me move to see if there's any questions. 00:42:53.715 --> 00:42:57.175 And if there are any questions people have, please feel free to put them in. 00:42:57.555 --> 00:42:57.795 Sure. 00:42:57.795 --> 00:42:59.155 And I'm gonna throw in one more link. 00:42:59.155 --> 00:43:01.635 I'm just gonna throw a link to our podcast there as well. 00:43:01.635 --> 00:43:01.875 Okay. 00:43:01.875 --> 00:43:04.115 So we've got two podcasts. 00:43:04.115 --> 00:43:09.410 One's called the Catholic Coaching podcast, and one's called living in the virtue of your strengths. 00:43:09.410 --> 00:43:17.110 And that's where, that is where we are, built building on Clifton strengths. 00:43:17.250 --> 00:43:20.230 So I'm a certified strengths coach as well. 00:43:20.975 --> 00:43:21.475 Great. 00:43:22.575 --> 00:43:27.395 So there's a question here from Tony saying, how has this helped you help others? 00:43:29.055 --> 00:43:30.415 You wanna go first, Matt? 00:43:30.415 --> 00:43:31.395 Then I'll answer. 00:43:32.095 --> 00:43:32.415 Sure. 00:43:32.415 --> 00:43:35.155 It it's helped me to to see the other person. 00:43:36.410 --> 00:43:43.150 And that may not seem very profound, but it it's helped me to have a greater reverence for the person. 00:43:43.770 --> 00:43:53.765 And I and and a lot of that is coming by way of the education and just the immersion and then also experiencing being seen by other people at the residency. 00:43:54.385 --> 00:43:55.665 I remember hearing a story. 00:43:55.665 --> 00:44:05.765 It is like it haunts me in the in the best of ways that John Paul the second, the most seen person by eyes, like, in person seen by other people in history that we know of. 00:44:06.570 --> 00:44:09.310 He would he would look out over these seas of people. 00:44:10.170 --> 00:44:20.590 And rather than just seeing a a mass of people, I I heard he would look and he would contemplate the mysterious ways that God's grace was acting in each person. 00:44:22.145 --> 00:44:22.645 Mhmm. 00:44:22.785 --> 00:44:32.485 And that sort of contemplative approach to the person, if everybody had that, it it would be thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. 00:44:32.625 --> 00:44:33.125 Mhmm. 00:44:34.010 --> 00:44:34.510 Yeah. 00:44:34.970 --> 00:44:37.150 So it helps you see other people. 00:44:37.770 --> 00:44:38.010 Yeah. 00:44:38.010 --> 00:44:38.510 Definitely. 00:44:38.650 --> 00:44:40.010 I definitely agree with that. 00:44:40.010 --> 00:44:42.510 Now I've definitely had that experience too. 00:44:43.210 --> 00:44:47.630 And, and hopefully give that person the experience of being seen. 00:44:47.925 --> 00:44:48.425 Right? 00:44:48.525 --> 00:44:49.025 Mhmm. 00:44:50.805 --> 00:44:57.845 So that they can start to, imagine what it means, you know, even through an analogy. 00:44:57.845 --> 00:45:00.085 Imagine what it means to be seen by the board. 00:45:00.085 --> 00:45:00.405 Right? 00:45:00.405 --> 00:45:02.745 And maybe even experience that in their prayer. 00:45:03.010 --> 00:45:03.510 Mhmm. 00:45:03.570 --> 00:45:06.230 So one of the other questions was about the practicum. 00:45:06.850 --> 00:45:13.510 Someone was asking us about here about the practicum hours, the sixty hours of practicum and the supervision. 00:45:13.970 --> 00:45:15.845 So let me explain that a little bit to you. 00:45:15.845 --> 00:45:25.865 So there is a sixty hour requirement, a practicum requirement, and that is really made out of forty eight hours of seeing people in spiritual direction and twelve hours of supervision. 00:45:27.525 --> 00:45:32.740 The supervision is actually given to you in the fifth and the sixth course by the instructor. 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.860 So those those hours, you don't have to go look for a supervisor. 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.100 The supervisor is your course instructor. 00:45:38.240 --> 00:45:38.740 Right? 00:45:39.200 --> 00:45:41.940 So you fulfill those twelve hours as you go through the course. 00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:53.825 And after the residency, the second residency, which is the 500 course or the fifth course, we tee you up so that you can start p seeing people in spiritual direction. 00:45:54.125 --> 00:45:57.665 And then we have a log sheet where you go in and log your hours. 00:45:59.860 --> 00:46:03.880 And, Matt knows about this very well because that's where he is right now. 00:46:04.660 --> 00:46:15.685 So you go in and you log your hours, and and, it keeps track of how many hours you're you're logging so that you're able to see, you know, when you get your forty eight hours. 00:46:15.685 --> 00:46:17.465 So that's really how that works. 00:46:19.205 --> 00:46:26.025 And you're you're in classes for a majority of that time, so you're getting feedback about your work with your directees. 00:46:26.510 --> 00:46:40.130 And then we do if you do finish classes and you haven't finished your practicum hours yet, we do have a practicum course that you can sign up for where you continue receiving supervision and feedback as you're in the end this time of training. 00:46:41.655 --> 00:46:43.675 Let's see if there's another question. 00:46:45.575 --> 00:46:47.815 Does spiritual direction and counseling overlap? 00:46:47.815 --> 00:46:49.755 Are we trained to avoid this? 00:46:50.535 --> 00:46:52.295 Yes, sister Anne Marie. 00:46:52.295 --> 00:46:53.515 Thanks for that question. 00:46:54.410 --> 00:47:05.070 You are I mean, in our first course, the 100 course, we really try to explain to you the place of spiritual direction and kind of the space it has. 00:47:05.290 --> 00:47:11.655 And we do a comparative chart between spiritual direction and other helping professions or ministries. 00:47:11.655 --> 00:47:26.550 And that's where we talk about what's the nature of counseling, coaching, therapy, right, and how spiritual direction we really simply define spiritual direction as, you know, accompanying someone in their relationship with the lord. 00:47:26.550 --> 00:47:40.955 We know that the human person has a lot of different dimensions, so you can't just kind of, like, weed out their relationship with the lord and not pay attention to their other dimensions, right, that make up this beautiful thing, which we call humanity. 00:47:41.495 --> 00:47:41.815 Right? 00:47:41.815 --> 00:47:42.795 The human person. 00:47:43.335 --> 00:47:46.935 But, so there are times where you might be like, gosh. 00:47:46.935 --> 00:48:00.090 It seems like that I'm kinda problem solving for this person, or I'm giving them a little catechesis about something, or I'm, where I feel like I'm just listening and spending time with them. 00:48:00.390 --> 00:48:02.925 And and it's healing. 00:48:02.925 --> 00:48:03.325 Right? 00:48:03.325 --> 00:48:08.065 So there are definitely moments that you can be like, well, this kind of feels like this or feels like that. 00:48:08.125 --> 00:48:18.200 But the majority of the time as a spiritual director is really helping that person to see the Lord at work in their lives and to deepen in their relationship with the Lord. 00:48:18.580 --> 00:48:28.280 And, you know, what Saint Ignatius often speaks about about, you know, unmasking the devil and allowing the presence of the Lord to shine forth. 00:48:28.445 --> 00:48:31.085 You know, that transfiguration experience almost. 00:48:31.085 --> 00:48:31.585 Right? 00:48:32.445 --> 00:48:42.750 So, you are trained to stay in your lane, as we say, and, know that you're not being trained as a counselor or a psychologist or even as a coach. 00:48:43.230 --> 00:48:43.710 Right? 00:48:43.710 --> 00:48:45.810 So you can't be doing those things. 00:48:46.030 --> 00:49:04.385 And we also, train you in recognizing and referring when the person might need, a coach, a therapist, you know, some mental health work, whether it's for, you know, something very critical or, you know, something that just might need a little bit of help. 00:49:04.525 --> 00:49:05.005 But yeah. 00:49:05.005 --> 00:49:12.810 And to feel very, familiar and fine at referring people to other experts and feels that you're not an expert. 00:49:16.710 --> 00:49:18.810 Do you wanna say anything about that, Matt? 00:49:19.830 --> 00:49:28.095 I I mean, it it we can I I'd I feel a lot better about where the lines are? 00:49:28.315 --> 00:49:34.235 It's it's with with, spiritual direction and counseling, certainly with coaching and and spiritual direction. 00:49:34.235 --> 00:49:37.675 And I think there's even a there's a question that just popped up about that. 00:49:38.635 --> 00:49:41.590 And And so if if you don't mind if I I feel that because I've Yeah. 00:49:41.670 --> 00:49:43.830 I've been wrapping my head around this one for the last three Yeah. 00:49:43.830 --> 00:49:44.550 Because I three years. 00:49:44.550 --> 00:49:44.950 Right. 00:49:45.670 --> 00:49:49.290 So difference between spiritual direction and a Catholic coach. 00:49:50.310 --> 00:49:50.630 Okay. 00:49:50.630 --> 00:49:53.285 So I look at things on on a continuum. 00:49:53.585 --> 00:49:54.085 Right? 00:49:54.785 --> 00:50:01.345 A Catholic coach acknowledges that, okay, yes, there's practical goals that we're working on on this side of heaven. 00:50:01.345 --> 00:50:01.825 Alright? 00:50:01.825 --> 00:50:07.330 So when somebody comes to me in a coaching relationship, at at the start of it, there's a goal. 00:50:07.330 --> 00:50:09.030 And the goal isn't an ideal. 00:50:09.170 --> 00:50:15.810 The goal is a tangible goal we know when we arrive there, and and it's hard to have a coaching relationship without a goal. 00:50:15.810 --> 00:50:20.835 Like, it's it's hard to to enter into a, you know, even on the on the athletic field. 00:50:20.835 --> 00:50:21.235 Right? 00:50:21.235 --> 00:50:22.355 You you get an Olympic coach. 00:50:22.355 --> 00:50:22.675 Why? 00:50:22.675 --> 00:50:24.615 Because you have a goal of winning the Olympics. 00:50:24.755 --> 00:50:25.155 Okay. 00:50:25.155 --> 00:50:31.335 So and that coach is skilled to help you navigate the journey to winning the gold medal at the Olympics. 00:50:31.690 --> 00:50:43.450 And so when you enter into a relationship with a coach, you're getting on you're you're join getting in a relationship with somebody that can take you on that journey to a specific goal that's there, and that goal is on this side of heaven. 00:50:43.450 --> 00:50:50.645 As a Catholic coach, we wanna make sure that your goals on this side of heaven are nested on the road to beatitude. 00:50:50.945 --> 00:50:51.265 Right? 00:50:51.265 --> 00:51:01.010 And so we wanna make sure that they're helping us grow in virtue, and they're helping us grow in in in grow in holiness and and avoid sin in our life. 00:51:01.010 --> 00:51:05.990 And so that's something where it kind of governs the ethic of how we operate being a Catholic coach. 00:51:06.690 --> 00:51:09.570 But, we're looking at goals on this side of heaven. 00:51:09.570 --> 00:51:13.545 Spiritual direction, you are looking to bring heaven here. 00:51:13.845 --> 00:51:16.725 Like, you're looking to encounter the Lord here. 00:51:16.725 --> 00:51:18.905 And it's it goes back to what I said in the beginning. 00:51:19.365 --> 00:51:21.685 Coaching is really about getting people into movement. 00:51:21.685 --> 00:51:24.265 Spiritual direction is about getting people into rest. 00:51:24.790 --> 00:51:25.110 Right? 00:51:25.110 --> 00:51:37.350 Resting in that presence of the Lord, bringing thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven, and and meeting him in that's that quiet room, that inner room that Christ talks about in the scriptures where we go in there and we close the door. 00:51:37.350 --> 00:51:41.535 That's where we're seeking to rest in the Lord, and we're seek that's our destination with spiritual direction. 00:51:41.755 --> 00:51:45.195 And it's a mysterious path that we're not the experts in. 00:51:45.195 --> 00:51:50.095 Like, the coach is an expert in how to get to goal a, you know, a very tangible goal. 00:51:50.235 --> 00:51:54.310 But But the holy spirit is the only expert in how to get somebody into that interior room. 00:51:54.610 --> 00:52:03.590 And so coach is a lot more the expert, but spiritual direction, like, you're backing off big time, and you're making room for the holy spirit to really do the work. 00:52:03.955 --> 00:52:04.355 Mhmm. 00:52:04.355 --> 00:52:05.975 Does that help, Maria? 00:52:06.435 --> 00:52:07.635 It does help me. 00:52:07.635 --> 00:52:08.915 I think it does, Matt. 00:52:08.915 --> 00:52:19.255 And, you know, and I think when I've talked to pea people that are Catholic or Christian coaches, had a couple conversations with people about this too, and and that's where we you know? 00:52:21.130 --> 00:52:28.990 Spiritual it's not that coaching is not a sacred space, but spiritual direction really has that purpose of trying to get the person in contact with the Lord. 00:52:29.210 --> 00:52:44.370 I would think that coaching, you know, has you're you're, you know, you're trying sometimes you're dealing either with helping them problem solve some different situations that have happened or even time management or I don't know, different things like that. 00:52:45.410 --> 00:52:54.450 Whereas spiritual direction is really that contemplative sacred space where the person and you, they're walking along with the Lord. 00:52:54.450 --> 00:52:57.750 I love the image of that walking along to the road to Emmaus. 00:52:57.810 --> 00:53:04.375 I feel like that's Jesus there just giving spiritual direction to these two and walking along with them. 00:53:04.375 --> 00:53:04.775 Right? 00:53:04.775 --> 00:53:05.655 So Yeah. 00:53:05.655 --> 00:53:05.895 Yeah. 00:53:05.895 --> 00:53:18.310 And there's a there's a great compliment in in all of it in, I think some somebody I'm looking at I forgot what I was gonna say because I just got a notification saying I have a low battery on my computer. 00:53:18.310 --> 00:53:19.350 It's like, I gotta plug in. 00:53:19.350 --> 00:53:20.970 I should've done that in the beginning here. 00:53:21.350 --> 00:53:21.590 No. 00:53:21.590 --> 00:53:27.615 There's there's a great compliment complementarity, I'd say, that the counseling and spiritual direction and the coaching and spiritual direction. 00:53:27.755 --> 00:53:32.415 I I think that coaching and counseling really operate in that human formation pillar. 00:53:32.715 --> 00:53:35.035 Spiritual direction is that spiritual formation pillar. 00:53:35.035 --> 00:53:35.515 Right? 00:53:35.515 --> 00:53:35.995 Yeah. 00:53:35.995 --> 00:53:43.140 But there's those four pillars that John Paul the second outlines in Pastoris Dava Vobis, one of his letters in back in 1992. 00:53:43.840 --> 00:54:03.355 And and oftentimes, I've heard spiritual direction saying, I find myself doing human formation work, which is like teaching somebody how to think about their thinking, teaching somebody not to be afraid of their emotions, teaching somebody that their emotions aren't something that they need to dismiss or, like, have all of these judgments about, but, like, they're they're data, not directives. 00:54:03.575 --> 00:54:04.075 Right? 00:54:04.270 --> 00:54:07.730 Until they pass through direct through reason, then we can use them as directives. 00:54:07.870 --> 00:54:08.190 Mhmm. 00:54:08.190 --> 00:54:15.970 But that human formation element really it enhances the experience of of the directing and the director relationship. 00:54:16.030 --> 00:54:25.805 Because now, like, when somebody has that level of maturity in a human formation aspect, they're really primed to get a lot more out of the spiritual direction because their mind is cleared up. 00:54:25.805 --> 00:54:34.700 They've got a little bit more willpower and custody of their mind, custody over their emotions, and understanding of, like, what it means to be a human person. 00:54:35.160 --> 00:54:40.540 And now we're bringing that nature for grace to build upon in the spiritual direction relationship. 00:54:41.160 --> 00:54:41.660 Exactly. 00:54:42.120 --> 00:54:45.080 And you know what I was also thinking too, and we'll wind up here. 00:54:45.080 --> 00:54:46.440 I'll listen and plug in my computer. 00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:46.940 Okay. 00:54:47.985 --> 00:55:03.340 Is that there are people that are maybe don't have a prayer life started yet and haven't aren't ready for the commitment of spiritual direction and maybe need to do some, you know, human formation work, need to work on their own nature. 00:55:03.640 --> 00:55:04.040 Right? 00:55:04.040 --> 00:55:11.020 As Matt was saying, to allow the grace of God deeper into their lives and so aren't ready for spiritual direction yet. 00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:22.405 And, whereas a Catholic coach, I think it could help them, you know, kinda till that soil to get them ready and to see you know, to take on that commitment, that spiritual direction. 00:55:22.705 --> 00:55:23.185 Yeah. 00:55:23.185 --> 00:55:30.725 We we literally have there was a coach that went through your program that's in one of our our our Catholic coaching foundations program now. 00:55:31.470 --> 00:55:35.470 Or not a coach, there's a spiritual director that now is in our Catholic coaching form, foundations. 00:55:35.470 --> 00:55:46.465 And there's another woman and we and the three of us, we were having a conversation on how great would it be to have a niche as a coach where you are just your niche is preparing people for spiritual direction. 00:55:46.605 --> 00:55:50.625 Just laying the foundation, laying that human formation down for that grace to build upon. 00:55:50.765 --> 00:55:51.965 We're like, woah, man. 00:55:51.965 --> 00:55:52.785 We need that. 00:55:53.645 --> 00:55:54.145 Definitely. 00:55:54.205 --> 00:56:03.980 Because there are people that are yearning for our Lord, but they just they have a lot of difficulties just in their home, human we all do. 00:56:03.980 --> 00:56:04.300 Right? 00:56:04.300 --> 00:56:12.405 But maybe they've just they haven't been in a family or they haven't been in a community that's allowed them to grow the way that they've needed. 00:56:12.725 --> 00:56:13.045 Yes. 00:56:13.045 --> 00:56:16.505 So we've got a stop here because we're getting on to the hour. 00:56:18.965 --> 00:56:20.585 There are two questions here. 00:56:22.165 --> 00:56:27.305 Would this Romina is asking, would their certificate be beneficial for an educator at a Catholic high school? 00:56:28.460 --> 00:56:29.420 It would be. 00:56:29.420 --> 00:56:40.300 It definitely could help you just to know how to listen to students and, but it is definitely geared to forming someone and training someone to be a spiritual director. 00:56:40.300 --> 00:56:45.235 So it might be a little bit more than you would need in just a Catholic high school. 00:56:45.295 --> 00:56:51.315 We don't really deal with, like, working with minors. 00:56:51.535 --> 00:56:55.155 We you know, we're talking about a spiritual direction relationship that's with adults. 00:56:55.535 --> 00:56:57.955 So it might not serve you in that way, Romina. 00:56:58.340 --> 00:56:59.800 Their parents need it, though. 00:56:59.860 --> 00:57:00.180 Yeah. 00:57:00.180 --> 00:57:00.680 Exactly. 00:57:00.740 --> 00:57:02.200 Their parents need it, Romina. 00:57:03.060 --> 00:57:03.220 Uh-huh. 00:57:03.220 --> 00:57:06.900 Can the residencies be completed fully on Yeah. 00:57:06.900 --> 00:57:11.560 The residencies, you have to come in, but everything else is can is fully online. 00:57:11.985 --> 00:57:14.885 The residencies are the only times that you have to come in. 00:57:16.065 --> 00:57:18.645 Well, we're right up against the hour here. 00:57:18.865 --> 00:57:22.485 As you see on the screen, I've got our admissions adviser's information. 00:57:23.185 --> 00:57:28.700 If you would like to get in touch with him, he would definitely, be willing to answer any questions for you. 00:57:28.700 --> 00:57:39.215 And then if you do wanna apply, we do for those of you that have been on the webinar tonight, here's a code, s t c r e g free. 00:57:39.275 --> 00:57:43.855 So s t c reg free, to waive the application fee. 00:57:44.075 --> 00:57:46.155 So we just thank you for your time, Matt. 00:57:46.155 --> 00:57:47.435 Thanks for coming on. 00:57:47.435 --> 00:57:47.995 You bet. 00:57:47.995 --> 00:57:48.795 Thanks for your time. 00:57:49.045 --> 00:57:49.545 Conversation. 00:57:50.836 --> 00:57:51.656 Thanks, Maria. 00:57:51.876 --> 00:57:52.376 Okay. 00:57:52.676 --> 00:57:54.696 God bless you all, and have a good evening. 00:57:54.916 --> 00:57:55.656 Thank you.