WEBVTT 00:00:04.720 --> 00:00:13.780 First of all, I'd like to welcome everybody this evening and thank you for attending the, webinar q and a with our PsyD alumnus, doctor Charles Russell. 00:00:14.705 --> 00:00:19.845 This evening's, not a set agenda, if you will. 00:00:20.145 --> 00:00:52.410 The idea is for the participants, those that are looking to, start classes in the fall and, others that may be interested in this ID program, have an opportunity to, talk with doctor Russell and go through his experience both as a admitted student to, DMU and to, you know, maybe talk a little bit about his time while on campus and then what he's done with his degree and his experiences while he was here at DMU. 00:00:53.110 --> 00:00:56.790 Now he's out in the world working and, the rest of the program. 00:00:56.790 --> 00:01:02.070 But I do wanna introduce doctor, Charles Russell, and maybe he can say hello to everybody. 00:01:02.070 --> 00:01:06.730 And then, we'll go ahead and start with some of the questions and see what we can do. 00:01:07.025 --> 00:01:07.665 Good day, everyone. 00:01:07.665 --> 00:01:09.365 It's my pleasure to be with you. 00:01:09.905 --> 00:01:11.925 Happy to answer any questions you may have. 00:01:12.865 --> 00:01:18.465 I would ask that you keep the the people of Ukraine and Russia in your prayers. 00:01:18.705 --> 00:01:21.750 Dear friend of mine is actually being evacuated as we speak. 00:01:22.470 --> 00:01:24.250 So if you and his name is George. 00:01:24.710 --> 00:01:33.290 So if you wouldn't mind, keeping George and everyone who's in the crossfire in your prayers. 00:01:36.135 --> 00:01:36.535 Alright. 00:01:36.535 --> 00:01:38.315 Doctor Russell, thank you very much. 00:01:38.615 --> 00:01:47.755 For those that are online, the easy way to ask your question, if you look at the bottom of your screen, you'll see a q and a, and you'll see a chat. 00:01:48.215 --> 00:01:53.540 If you could click on the q and a, that's where you can basically ask some questions. 00:01:54.240 --> 00:01:59.700 We do have some folks from our communications department that'll be helping us with this as well. 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:12.695 So as you come up with questions, enter them into the q and a, and that's how we'll be able to ask, doctor Russell or myself, those questions, and hopefully, we'll be able to help you out. 00:02:14.295 --> 00:02:21.650 So what I'll do is while some of you were thinking of those questions, I'll start with the easy one, doctor Russell. 00:02:23.070 --> 00:02:27.730 What made you think about, DMU, and why did you choose DMU PsyD program? 00:02:29.310 --> 00:02:36.425 So, I was in seminary prior to beginning the psychology program. 00:02:36.485 --> 00:02:45.145 I've become interested in psychology just as I've just unexpectedly become interested in psychology. 00:02:45.365 --> 00:02:53.070 And when I just turned out of seminary, I knew I wanted to, go on, and I I knew that I wanted to study psychology. 00:02:53.530 --> 00:03:00.330 So when when I'd I'd pardon me. 00:03:00.330 --> 00:03:05.675 I'd heard about, then it was called the the Institute for Psychological Sciences. 00:03:06.215 --> 00:03:10.455 I'd heard about the program, and I just did some research on it. 00:03:10.455 --> 00:03:19.190 And I knew I wanted to be in a Catholic environment that that espoused this, similar anthropology. 00:03:20.210 --> 00:03:28.950 Although I at the time, I wasn't fully aware of that, but that's what I was looking for, but turned out to be exactly what I was looking for. 00:03:29.795 --> 00:03:30.115 Okay. 00:03:30.115 --> 00:03:31.495 Well, appreciate that. 00:03:31.955 --> 00:03:40.855 So as you mentioned, you came in back when we, when the school was actually IPS or Institute of Psychological Sciences. 00:03:42.140 --> 00:03:47.840 And, obviously, we changed back in 2016 to Divine Mercy University when we added the school of counseling. 00:03:48.540 --> 00:03:57.375 So you came in under the old program where you actually came in under the master's degree, first, and then you were chosen to join the PsyD program. 00:03:57.375 --> 00:03:58.195 Is that correct? 00:03:58.655 --> 00:03:59.155 Yes. 00:03:59.535 --> 00:04:00.035 Okay. 00:04:00.255 --> 00:04:02.995 And you graduated in 2017? 00:04:04.175 --> 00:04:04.675 Yes. 00:04:05.055 --> 00:04:05.555 Okay. 00:04:06.870 --> 00:04:07.270 Alright. 00:04:07.910 --> 00:04:15.610 Can you tell us maybe a little bit about your experiences while you were at, IPS slash DMU, as a student? 00:04:15.990 --> 00:04:27.545 Maybe a little bit about how you felt about your instructors, some of the rigor of the program maybe, what you thought you liked the most, any of those things you may feel, would help some of the current students. 00:04:28.485 --> 00:04:28.885 Sure. 00:04:28.885 --> 00:04:34.505 So, my experience was a bit unique coming from seminary and never having taken a psychology course. 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:38.500 I didn't really know anything. 00:04:38.880 --> 00:04:50.325 So all of my my psychology training, academic training, at least, came from what was then the Institute of Psychological Sciences. 00:04:50.705 --> 00:04:56.645 And, so when I started, I really didn't know what to expect. 00:04:57.985 --> 00:05:03.770 I had I I had started a graduate program in seminary, so I was familiar with graduate school. 00:05:04.150 --> 00:05:10.730 But, it was a bit of a transition moving from philosophy and theology into science. 00:05:11.350 --> 00:05:26.040 Although, when we started, at least at the time, doctor Craig Titus, was teaching forget the exact course, but it was essentially a philosophy class. 00:05:26.740 --> 00:05:34.920 And I I remember sitting there, in the first semester thinking, like, everything in my life has prepared me. 00:05:35.940 --> 00:05:39.265 And, of course, I really enjoyed those those classes. 00:05:39.265 --> 00:05:42.145 That was very, something I was very accustomed to. 00:05:42.145 --> 00:05:42.545 Mhmm. 00:05:43.025 --> 00:05:53.525 But I also really liked the I don't exactly know what they were I don't remember exactly what the technical term for them is called, but they were, like, essentially, the makeup classes. 00:05:54.090 --> 00:05:58.670 So I had to I had to take some classes to make up for the fact that I didn't already have a degree in psychology. 00:06:00.010 --> 00:06:19.925 And I enjoyed those because it was just a wide breadth of of information that allowed me to certainly not catch up to someone who already had a bachelor's degree, but it allowed me, in psychology, but it allowed me to to, like, see what, you know, the wide breadth of psychology as a field. 00:06:20.305 --> 00:06:25.440 And, you know, and I tend to soak up information like a sponge. 00:06:25.900 --> 00:06:28.240 So, it that was great for me. 00:06:30.060 --> 00:06:33.040 And I feel like I may have missed part of the question. 00:06:33.835 --> 00:06:33.995 No. 00:06:33.995 --> 00:06:34.635 It's okay. 00:06:35.515 --> 00:06:38.795 So let's talk a little bit about, the instructors. 00:06:38.795 --> 00:06:40.075 You mentioned doctor Titus. 00:06:40.075 --> 00:06:43.935 There's there's several professors still around from from that time frame. 00:06:44.875 --> 00:06:51.270 Is that something you, we have a lot of students to keep in touch with their professors and and vice versa. 00:06:51.330 --> 00:06:53.030 Is that something you still do as well? 00:06:53.410 --> 00:06:53.650 No. 00:06:53.650 --> 00:07:00.710 I have not, I have not kept up with my professors, although I hold them in very high esteem. 00:07:02.535 --> 00:07:19.940 My first, supervisor was, doctor Harvey Payne, and, he and I he was my first supervisor at IPS center, and that was his first year This is pre pre DMU, pre counseling program. 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.880 And, of course, in he's great. 00:07:24.880 --> 00:07:29.060 Doctor Paul Vitz is wonderful, doctor Phil Scrofani. 00:07:30.765 --> 00:07:38.145 I mean, some pea some people aren't are no longer there, that I'm thinking of. 00:07:38.205 --> 00:07:45.440 But, doctor Lisa Kulicki, I'm not sure if she's if she's still on faculty. 00:07:45.500 --> 00:07:47.340 She's actually the dean of the program now. 00:07:47.340 --> 00:07:47.820 Yes. 00:07:47.820 --> 00:07:48.300 Perfect. 00:07:48.300 --> 00:07:48.780 Perfect. 00:07:48.780 --> 00:07:59.855 She is I mean, to be quite honest, the education I received from my perspective was, like, really world class. 00:07:59.855 --> 00:08:01.715 It was hardcore science. 00:08:01.935 --> 00:08:08.735 Like, it wasn't, it wasn't, like, a bible counseling program or anything like that. 00:08:08.735 --> 00:08:10.355 It was very hardcore science. 00:08:10.815 --> 00:08:14.900 I've and I I really liked everyone. 00:08:15.840 --> 00:08:16.340 K. 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:28.260 Let's talk a little bit about, your time kinda post, classes, your internship and externship, and how it prepared you for, kind of the real world. 00:08:29.065 --> 00:08:30.845 Can you expand on that a little bit? 00:08:31.225 --> 00:08:31.385 Yeah. 00:08:31.385 --> 00:08:42.420 So my first externship as, I'm assuming it's still the case, was at, the IPS center, for for psychological services. 00:08:43.720 --> 00:09:06.195 And that was a really wonderful experience for a variety of reasons, but, actually, I learned I I learned partially because I didn't always know what to say because I was brand new, that I learned the value of silence and how much silence with a person can help them. 00:09:08.040 --> 00:09:26.305 Some people might be surprised to hear that because I tend to talk a lot, but, it's I learned really the value of of letting people remain in silence and not trying to, like, rush in and and save them or protect them, from their discomfort. 00:09:27.405 --> 00:09:49.710 My second externship was at a place called, Expressive Therapy Center, which is in Maryland, and that allowed me to really move out of my my original lens was very psychodynamic, and it allowed me to move out of that into not only working with with a lot of children. 00:09:50.410 --> 00:09:55.225 Worked did a lot of group work, in children's group work. 00:09:55.845 --> 00:10:02.345 And, it also gave me exposure to, different types of therapy. 00:10:02.885 --> 00:10:05.125 So, the expressive therapy. 00:10:05.125 --> 00:10:12.060 It's like dance therapy and art there and, a little bit of music there. 00:10:12.920 --> 00:10:24.785 And so and having had that experience, it allowed me to to really change how I conceptualize people and and look at the problems that they face? 00:10:25.885 --> 00:10:30.465 Because I've it was it was a that that's a particularly difficult assignment. 00:10:32.125 --> 00:10:33.985 At least that's how it was then. 00:10:34.045 --> 00:10:39.030 Presume that it's still now, if we're still taking x rays, because it's really busy. 00:10:39.570 --> 00:10:49.830 But it was a it was a really great experience in seeing what these other types of therapies can provide, and I learned so much from those other treatment providers. 00:10:50.575 --> 00:10:59.795 I did my internship at the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks, and, of course, that works on a match system, so I matched there. 00:11:00.735 --> 00:11:18.180 And the university counseling center setting is kind of considered, like, cushy or, like, the best type of place to be because they're really focused on training. 00:11:18.585 --> 00:11:38.760 And so in that in that setting, I was able to not only work with, a wide variety, of young adults, at a really important time in their lives, but I also was able to excuse me, was also able to learn EMDR, which was part of the training program. 00:11:39.060 --> 00:11:51.815 I was able to work on different projects that advanced important Catholic social issues, like, ensuring access to health care for for people who need it. 00:11:53.795 --> 00:12:05.630 And then I did my residency at the universe pardon me, at Appalachian State University in, North Carolina, the Western Mountains boom. 00:12:06.730 --> 00:12:12.990 And I didn't know it at the time, but that is an ultra liberal university. 00:12:13.610 --> 00:12:17.595 And I never had a problem. 00:12:17.595 --> 00:12:24.415 I was surprised that I that I never had an issue with, you know, different views. 00:12:24.955 --> 00:12:34.170 It allowed me to to empathize with people that maybe I hadn't come across in different, settings. 00:12:34.870 --> 00:12:44.995 And, it was also difficult because it was extremely busy, but it it was it was a really wonderful experience, overall. 00:12:45.215 --> 00:12:50.515 In fact, I probably would have stayed there except for I couldn't see myself, like, settling down there permanently. 00:12:51.455 --> 00:12:53.055 But I loved the people I worked with. 00:12:53.055 --> 00:12:54.995 I loved loved the job. 00:12:55.860 --> 00:13:02.200 And then, I got a job. 00:13:02.420 --> 00:13:10.360 My, like, first post training job was at Saint Luke Institute in Sour Spring, Maryland just outside of, Washington. 00:13:11.845 --> 00:13:15.125 And, I was a primary treatment provider for two and a half years. 00:13:15.445 --> 00:13:15.685 The St. 00:13:15.685 --> 00:13:18.105 Luke Institute, for those who don't know, is a psychiatric. 00:13:18.405 --> 00:13:20.165 Or what at the time, it's changed now. 00:13:20.165 --> 00:13:25.480 But at the time, it was a residential psychiatric hospital for, primarily Catholic priests and nuns. 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:31.820 They did get some Protestants and some Orthodox, but it was, predominantly, Catholic. 00:13:32.520 --> 00:13:41.875 And that, if you get a chance to work in a psychiatric hospital of any kind, it's a really great experience. 00:13:44.335 --> 00:13:49.555 It's not always fun, and it's certainly not easy, but it's it's great experience. 00:13:51.615 --> 00:14:03.590 And then after two and a half years there, I started thinking about, you know, my own goals in life, and I decided that I wanted to be closer to my family. 00:14:03.590 --> 00:14:16.035 And so, I resigned my position there at the beginning or at the end of twenty twenty, and took a position at the University of Toledo in Toledo, Ohio, where I'm at now. 00:14:16.255 --> 00:14:29.150 And, that has also been, a real learning curve because, whereas being in a psychiatric a residential psychiatric hospital, everything was in person even through 2020. 00:14:29.530 --> 00:14:34.110 But now I'm doing pretty much all telehealth. 00:14:34.810 --> 00:14:45.085 So that's, that's taken some getting used to and and learning how to augment, you know, my skill set with with that medium. 00:14:45.385 --> 00:14:46.985 But, yeah. 00:14:46.985 --> 00:14:59.810 So even though most of my work critical work has been in, university counseling centers, it it feels to me that it's been very different. 00:15:00.030 --> 00:15:02.690 It hasn't been like a cookie cutter sort of thing. 00:15:03.230 --> 00:15:17.065 Well, that that's quite a diverse road that you traveled there amongst, I'm I'm very familiar with Boone, and and the university out there and, and, the the the unit in Maryland that you worked at. 00:15:18.170 --> 00:15:22.410 You know, there's a lot of our students talk to us about the integrated model. 00:15:22.410 --> 00:15:29.390 They have a lot of quest questions around the Catholic Christian meta model of the person or what we call the DMU integrated model. 00:15:30.250 --> 00:15:39.175 Do you feel that that was an advantage for you or helped you or is still helping you maybe in your work today and then what you, you know, kind of the road you've traveled? 00:15:40.355 --> 00:15:59.695 To be quite honest, like, I I think I really do think that it was called something different when I was a student, but the the integrated model, it it really makes me different. 00:16:00.155 --> 00:16:01.295 And not just me. 00:16:01.595 --> 00:16:10.075 I've of, you know, presuming that this is true of of my my colleagues and my cohort and and others. 00:16:10.075 --> 00:16:16.370 Like, I'm just I don't like, I find that people want to talk to me more. 00:16:17.950 --> 00:16:23.410 I don't get so many people, like, dropping out of of of therapy. 00:16:24.765 --> 00:16:32.705 It's it allows me to take into consideration the whole of the person and without, like, truncating them. 00:16:32.845 --> 00:17:04.055 And, one thing that I didn't realize actually until, this year is that the the way that we were trained, is really trauma informed, which is, like, which is the new burgeoning, I guess, lens to be looking at, trauma informed care. 00:17:04.195 --> 00:17:14.460 And I I think because we're looking at the whole person, not just, like, what are like, what is the problem and what are your coping skills? 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:21.755 You know, we're we're looking at, like, positive psychology and, like like, wanting to build that up, but we're also looking at, like, no. 00:17:21.755 --> 00:17:22.975 There are problems too. 00:17:23.035 --> 00:17:26.235 And those things need to be addressed and resolved to move forward. 00:17:26.235 --> 00:17:39.720 But, I have regularly encountered, people from other programs that are I don't wanna sound Oh, you could say it. 00:17:39.800 --> 00:17:43.240 Arrogant or anything like that or, like, anything like that. 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:54.495 But they would say really unscientific things, and it seemed like it's because they have this really narrow view of a human person. 00:17:56.555 --> 00:18:01.055 And so, again, I I just really think that that set. 00:18:02.530 --> 00:18:15.830 It has earned me a lot of praise from my colleagues and, my superiors, but I I really have to attribute that to the integrated model. 00:18:17.445 --> 00:18:21.385 You know, and I would I would agree with your assumption. 00:18:21.605 --> 00:18:38.940 We often hear that our our students, our graduates are typically better prepared, early on, because of the integrated model training that they receive, and, that usually puts them a little ahead of their peers from other universities. 00:18:39.320 --> 00:18:41.000 It's not a knock on the other universities. 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:42.540 It's just kind of a fact. 00:18:42.600 --> 00:18:44.440 So alright. 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:48.245 So real quick, there's a couple questions. 00:18:48.305 --> 00:18:52.465 One, I'm gonna table because it's asking about length of courses and things like that. 00:18:52.465 --> 00:18:56.725 But one of them is, can I ask a financial question? 00:18:57.265 --> 00:18:58.405 What is your funding? 00:18:58.890 --> 00:19:03.150 Where you where were you on loans or scholarships or grants? 00:19:03.770 --> 00:19:10.750 So I think at the time that you were here, DMU didn't have a ton of scholarships. 00:19:12.255 --> 00:19:18.115 So maybe you can explain a little bit how you funded your way through school, and then I can expand on that for the current situation. 00:19:19.135 --> 00:19:19.615 Sure. 00:19:19.615 --> 00:19:22.995 So when I was there, funding was limited. 00:19:23.215 --> 00:19:31.100 And so, also, I was a first generation college student, and so my parents had no idea. 00:19:31.100 --> 00:19:41.065 And I didn't have any idea because I was my undergrad was seminary, so it was a very different experience than someone who maybe went to, like, a like, a state school and had, like, research experience. 00:19:41.765 --> 00:19:44.265 So I didn't really know better. 00:19:44.485 --> 00:19:53.465 But so I decided to go, all private, you know, DNEU, and so that meant loans. 00:19:53.760 --> 00:20:13.775 So I am I've currently worked my career in, nonprofits, and so I'm part of the public student loan forgiveness program, which thankfully has been recently beefed up and is looking like it's it's actually gonna work. 00:20:14.715 --> 00:20:20.175 So, yeah, so that is something to really, really consider. 00:20:20.830 --> 00:20:25.810 And, of course, I don't know about other resources currently available. 00:20:27.550 --> 00:20:30.610 But that that is definitely something to consider. 00:20:31.710 --> 00:20:34.530 If you ask me, would I go back and do something different? 00:20:36.025 --> 00:20:37.725 I don't think I would. 00:20:39.465 --> 00:20:39.785 Yes. 00:20:39.785 --> 00:20:43.965 I have a lot of student debt, but I would still make the same choice. 00:20:45.625 --> 00:20:47.225 Well, that's excellent to hear. 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:52.460 For those of you that don't know, my name is Tom Brooks, and I'm the vice president for enrollment here at DMU. 00:20:53.240 --> 00:21:01.500 And, I arrived on campus around 2015 back when we were still in, Crystal City, Virginia. 00:21:02.120 --> 00:21:10.115 And, I, helped create the current scholarship program. 00:21:10.335 --> 00:21:23.730 And in short, if you go on to the DMU website, you go to, financial aid scholarships, you'll see there's, you know, several, scholarships. 00:21:24.590 --> 00:21:41.525 Some of you on the on the, the webinar here have already taken place are taken, or, I'm sorry, gone through the, interview, sessions in either group one or group two, and we have a third group coming up March 4. 00:21:42.145 --> 00:21:46.245 But all have been able to compete for up to 50% off in tuition. 00:21:47.420 --> 00:21:49.260 And we have a couple 25%. 00:21:49.260 --> 00:21:57.120 And then we have a slew of other scholarship opportunities from, you know, military. 00:21:58.860 --> 00:22:04.355 We have some for folks like police, first responders, things like that. 00:22:04.355 --> 00:22:11.255 You know, we try to look at the different different demographics attending DMU, and we try to address that. 00:22:11.315 --> 00:22:13.015 We have international scholarships. 00:22:13.795 --> 00:22:38.495 We also have what's called a memorandum of understanding, which is a really nice thing because, if you work for an organization that is, interested in partnering with the Divine Mercy University in a memorandum of understanding or what we call an MOU, That's also a tuition reduction program up to 20% for students, and if you're a priest, up to 25%. 00:22:39.515 --> 00:22:51.110 And we have a lot of, diocese, tons of parishes, a lot of other religious orders, missions, missionaries, things like that that have partaken in the in the program. 00:22:51.110 --> 00:23:01.325 We have a lot of a lot of our students going to school right now that are either under an MOU, and almost everybody, get some kind of scholarship. 00:23:01.545 --> 00:23:05.885 So what I recommend everybody is do your homework. 00:23:05.945 --> 00:23:08.365 This is the part of being in grad school. 00:23:09.225 --> 00:23:10.125 Go to the website. 00:23:10.185 --> 00:23:11.805 Go to the scholarships page. 00:23:12.260 --> 00:23:15.880 Start digging through and figuring out where you can you can compete for scholarships. 00:23:17.620 --> 00:23:23.800 Make sure that you do well doing your group interviews and things like that so you can be, you know, kinda rated at a high level. 00:23:24.900 --> 00:23:30.855 We've already given out the first group, and we'll be giving out the second one, in early March. 00:23:31.395 --> 00:23:37.815 So unlike when you were going through school, doctor Russell, there's quite a few funding options now for our students. 00:23:38.435 --> 00:23:43.490 And we do take things like the GI bill and, you know, tuition assistance. 00:23:43.790 --> 00:23:45.650 You know, some people work in areas. 00:23:45.710 --> 00:23:53.810 And then something that you mentioned that I think is important, and maybe you can expand on it just a little bit since you've you've experienced it. 00:23:55.150 --> 00:24:05.415 The the repayment program, working through nonprofits, can you expand on that just a tiny bit in your experience with it? 00:24:06.275 --> 00:24:06.515 Yeah. 00:24:06.515 --> 00:24:15.550 So it's a basically, a program to encourage people to work for nonprofits, which tend to pay less. 00:24:16.090 --> 00:24:24.330 So things like, universities or or, like, Saint Luke Institute where I worked was a was a nonprofit as well. 00:24:24.330 --> 00:24:29.915 Like, any not any five zero one c three organization qualifies, basically. 00:24:30.215 --> 00:24:32.715 And there's a there's a whole host of other ones as well. 00:24:32.775 --> 00:24:37.515 But, basically, you have your employment certified by your employer. 00:24:37.655 --> 00:24:38.955 You send it in. 00:24:39.255 --> 00:24:56.750 And if you the program is set up so that if you work ten years and make, a 120 qualifying payments, the remainder of your what you owe is written off. 00:24:57.385 --> 00:25:05.085 Now the one thing to know about that is, number one, you have to be an American citizen. 00:25:05.545 --> 00:25:16.410 Number two, the writing writing writing off the student loan debt is considered income, and so you need to be saving. 00:25:16.950 --> 00:25:26.915 So that way, you can be taxed as though you're making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for that one year. 00:25:28.015 --> 00:25:32.335 So, so that is something something to be aware of. 00:25:32.335 --> 00:25:34.975 But, it's essentially a 120 qualifying payments. 00:25:34.975 --> 00:25:39.990 Now right now, those all those payments are suspended because of COVID. 00:25:39.990 --> 00:25:48.090 That was something done under under Donald Trump that was then continued by Joe Biden, which, means that's for almost two years. 00:25:48.950 --> 00:26:03.425 So it's, like, 24 payments I have not had to make, but it still counts toward those twenty four months still count toward, paying off, the the student debt. 00:26:03.425 --> 00:26:11.180 Now I in a slightly different name, well, did it did I satisfy the question? 00:26:11.560 --> 00:26:12.060 Absolutely. 00:26:12.120 --> 00:26:12.860 Thank you. 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:13.400 Okay. 00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:27.555 In a slightly different name, for, anyone who's who's listening, who's an international student or who would be an international student, funding education is really good at all because it's really expensive. 00:26:28.175 --> 00:26:30.995 And so it it's hard if you're not independent of wealth. 00:26:32.990 --> 00:26:44.290 And so if DMU can provide you provide international scholarships, that is incredible because I've worked for three state universities. 00:26:45.495 --> 00:27:02.270 And in every single one of them, I've encountered international students who are cons like, consistently running into problems with funding their education because things change once they get there or, you know, just incidentals of life come up, and they don't they don't have extra money. 00:27:02.410 --> 00:27:07.630 So if if there are international scholarships, that is great news. 00:27:08.490 --> 00:27:10.910 I think before, it may have been a little difficult. 00:27:11.935 --> 00:27:13.295 And in many schools, it is. 00:27:13.295 --> 00:27:24.115 I but prior to working at DMU, I've been in other places where international funding was a little bit tough for those folks, but we addressed that several years ago. 00:27:24.255 --> 00:27:32.410 And, you know, each year in the PsyD program, we have anywhere from two to three, sometimes four students coming in. 00:27:32.470 --> 00:27:41.270 I think last year, we had three international students, and all of them are got to partake in the scholarship program, not just with international scholarships. 00:27:41.270 --> 00:27:43.530 One of them was one of our 25% winners. 00:27:44.295 --> 00:27:50.955 So we, you know, we we try to make sure that everybody that wants to attend has some opportunity with funding. 00:27:51.735 --> 00:27:57.175 So, you know, unlike what you you know, the experience before, I think we're trying to change that. 00:27:57.175 --> 00:28:03.780 You know, we're looking to bring in a fairly diverse demographic into the university. 00:28:03.840 --> 00:28:18.225 We feel like, you know, students working or, you know, coming from The United States, you know, even coming from different parts of The United States, that helps in the, discussions, interaction in your cohort, those kind of things. 00:28:18.225 --> 00:28:23.605 But adding international students into that, I think you get a world flavor. 00:28:24.465 --> 00:28:29.910 The Weimer University as a whole is about 15% international right now. 00:28:29.910 --> 00:28:39.370 So we've, we've grown on the international side, and and we appreciate the, you know, the interest in in us from the international market, if you will. 00:28:39.830 --> 00:28:40.070 Yeah. 00:28:40.070 --> 00:29:13.405 And if if I may say, like, that's that's really great news, both about funding, but also about, having a diverse demographic of students because in working with a lot of international students myself, I have and even working with international but to give an example, so I worked with a, with with a priest, who was from, an African country, and we were having a lot of problems. 00:29:13.705 --> 00:29:15.165 His English was perfect. 00:29:15.705 --> 00:29:17.885 We're having a lot of problems in therapy. 00:29:18.105 --> 00:29:19.725 I was like, what is going on? 00:29:20.025 --> 00:29:27.150 And I discovered in in just talking with him that his native language doesn't have words or emotions. 00:29:28.170 --> 00:29:38.910 And so he didn't have an intuitive sense of what I meant if I said, like, anxiety or depression, the way that, like, an American would just kind of know what that means. 00:29:39.675 --> 00:29:48.575 And, like, he intellectually understood the word, but it didn't didn't correspond with the physiological or or psychological sensation. 00:29:49.195 --> 00:30:16.595 And so, it's important to to be exposed to other cultures and so that you can start to identify have a the ability to identify when there's, like, something off like that where where you just you're you're not you're you're not seeing eye to eye, not because no not because somebody's not participating, but just because, you have a different world. 00:30:18.815 --> 00:30:25.960 So I think that's great that there's a lot of internationals because that's, helps expand the view for everyone else. 00:30:26.660 --> 00:30:29.060 I I think you nailed it right there. 00:30:29.060 --> 00:30:33.300 It's it helps everybody's views, both ways. 00:30:33.300 --> 00:30:44.185 As you said, you know, the international students are presented with things that may not be natural to their culture and and help may help them in their in their, therapy, work. 00:30:45.605 --> 00:30:57.640 If you had to give, you know, incoming students any advice on studying tactics, what do you think they would be? 00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:01.400 Or would you besides study a lot? 00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:02.420 Yeah. 00:31:02.420 --> 00:31:03.800 Definitely study a lot. 00:31:07.295 --> 00:31:29.690 I would say, you know and this is something I I find myself saying all the time because I'm currently working with students is that, in every university, every, program, every professor thinks that their their course is the most important, and they seem to forget the fact that you're taking other courses too. 00:31:30.070 --> 00:31:31.930 So you're not gonna be able to do everything. 00:31:33.035 --> 00:31:36.075 There's something that you are gonna have to say, like, okay. 00:31:36.075 --> 00:31:38.555 I can't read a 100 pages. 00:31:38.555 --> 00:31:50.600 I don't ever remember actually getting a 100 pages for one the one class, but you have to give yourself a little grace. 00:31:50.900 --> 00:31:56.920 So study hard, find what works for you, expand your resources. 00:31:57.620 --> 00:32:03.000 There's no no need to just stick with like, not everyone learns best by reading. 00:32:03.615 --> 00:32:10.895 So, I know, a a guy that was in my cohort, he learned better listening. 00:32:10.895 --> 00:32:17.555 So he got books in PDF, and there's a way on Adobe that you can have it read read to you. 00:32:17.930 --> 00:32:20.830 And that one really worked worked really well for you. 00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:23.150 So, you know, think outside the box. 00:32:23.850 --> 00:32:29.390 Remember that you're not gonna be able to do everything, and give yourself some grace, but definitely still try. 00:32:31.035 --> 00:32:33.535 So and and that that's really great advice. 00:32:34.475 --> 00:32:40.335 I have couple other questions, and I'm hoping now that we we've been talking that stirs some other questions. 00:32:40.795 --> 00:32:45.535 I know we have one to answer in a second, but, off time. 00:32:46.290 --> 00:32:48.150 You were in Crystal City back then. 00:32:48.770 --> 00:32:51.990 Did you get to explore, like, you know, Washington DC? 00:32:52.130 --> 00:32:56.070 Did you get to the mountains at all over in Northern Virginia, West Virginia? 00:32:56.610 --> 00:32:59.270 What'd you do for some fun activities around here? 00:33:00.845 --> 00:33:05.185 I will say I had an absolute blast in grad school. 00:33:05.645 --> 00:33:10.385 I had a a great cohort, and there's still some of their best friends. 00:33:11.895 --> 00:33:24.710 And, we, you know, we would, you know, go out on the weekends, you know, go to to clubs or bars or, hiking. 00:33:26.060 --> 00:33:33.335 Not not so much hiking because, I think where you're at, where you're located now, it'd be easier to get out to the mountains. 00:33:33.475 --> 00:33:34.855 But we did do some hiking. 00:33:36.515 --> 00:33:41.175 And being Crystal City was a lot closer to the ocean. 00:33:41.810 --> 00:33:47.190 So we were able to, you know, go to, you know, to the beach. 00:33:48.130 --> 00:33:53.510 But being in Washington is a really, really incredible experience. 00:33:55.655 --> 00:34:05.595 There the Smithsonian museums are there, and it's really easy to when you're living somewhere to say, like, I'll get there eventually. 00:34:06.695 --> 00:34:11.810 But when you're it's new, you know, you're more likely to go. 00:34:11.810 --> 00:34:16.710 And and so, you know, friends would go to to museums. 00:34:17.010 --> 00:34:20.150 We would go and there there's always, like, events. 00:34:21.090 --> 00:34:26.975 So I think in May, there there's a what it's called. 00:34:27.515 --> 00:34:29.615 Maybe it's the parade of nations or something. 00:34:29.995 --> 00:34:47.210 But, around May, all of the embassies along, in Embassy Row in Washington will open, and you go and you can go from embassy to embassy and experience what the what their native cultures are like. 00:34:47.210 --> 00:34:49.550 And things like that are really, really cool. 00:34:51.655 --> 00:35:00.395 Also, being in, you know, the heart of American politics, which can be kind of annoying at times, but, you know, it's it's in the air. 00:35:00.455 --> 00:35:12.450 You get to know so many people from so many different places, and it's a it's a Washington tends to be a bit of a transient area because so many people are coming in for work. 00:35:13.790 --> 00:35:21.235 And so and, inevitably, they leave, and so then you start having friends all over the country, sometimes all over the world, depending. 00:35:22.495 --> 00:35:27.695 So there's just always something to do and which is really nice. 00:35:28.415 --> 00:35:36.140 I when I was in grad school, I was an avid couch surfer, which if you don't know what that is, it's basically, a a program. 00:35:36.140 --> 00:35:47.895 It was a website, and they became an app called Couchsurfing where you can host people in your home from all over the world or all over the country, and you can stay places. 00:35:47.895 --> 00:35:54.695 And I've had the good fortune of being able to stay in several places around the world as well as other places in The United States. 00:35:54.695 --> 00:36:02.270 And that allow also allowed me to, like, learn a lot about DC and about all the stuff going on because I was giving people tours. 00:36:02.570 --> 00:36:03.870 That's something I really enjoyed. 00:36:04.410 --> 00:36:08.430 So there's just so much to do. 00:36:10.010 --> 00:36:22.525 And yet, you know, being a little bit removed now from, like, from the district itself provides peace and fire too. 00:36:23.465 --> 00:36:28.920 So so it's not like it's not like you you have to be overwhelmed by all of these things going on. 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.640 You can definitely find find your own niche. 00:36:31.640 --> 00:36:43.745 So if you're if you're more interested in being in in, like, the heart of things, probably living closer to DC is gonna make that easier. 00:36:44.365 --> 00:36:55.585 If you want something quieter, being farther away or, and I there there tended to be when when I was in the program, there tended to be, like, Catholic houses. 00:36:56.460 --> 00:37:08.720 So, like, I lived in the same place the entire time I was in grad school, and we had people rotating in and out over those four years, other guy other Catholic guys. 00:37:09.285 --> 00:37:12.505 And, there's a I believe it's still active. 00:37:12.725 --> 00:37:17.785 There's a Facebook page called, DC area Catholics looking for roommates. 00:37:18.725 --> 00:37:26.880 So, and the Catholic I should also say, the the Catholic culture is extremely vibrant, which is really nice. 00:37:27.340 --> 00:37:43.745 And, of course, being near, like, you know, the Salok Of Lemakre Conception and, you know, all of these really beautiful churches and so many different expressions of the Catholic faith, it it really makes there's something for everyone. 00:37:46.045 --> 00:37:47.005 I I appreciate that. 00:37:47.005 --> 00:37:57.420 And I think to your point, in when DMU was at Crystal City, much of the activity was down there. 00:37:57.420 --> 00:38:08.505 But being out near, in Sterling near Dulles Airport where we're at now, we're pretty much equally distant to Washington DC. 00:38:08.505 --> 00:38:09.865 It's less than an hour. 00:38:10.425 --> 00:38:15.805 I live in Harpers Ferry, West Virginia, actually, which is a very historical area, which is less than an hour. 00:38:15.945 --> 00:38:17.725 It's absolutely beautiful, by the way. 00:38:17.865 --> 00:38:18.505 I'm jealous. 00:38:18.505 --> 00:38:43.495 I mean so you can you can go out river rafting, hiking, camping, all those things, or or as doctor Russell says, you can be, an avid museum goer and, you know, the the just the sheer, you know, volume of things to do in the in the city in in Washington DC is is tremendous, both from historical and and cultural. 00:38:45.075 --> 00:38:54.660 And then as you mentioned, if you wanna celebrate your faith, there's tons and tons of, there's three diocese all kind of almost interconnected. 00:38:54.880 --> 00:39:00.900 Baltimore, Washington DC, and the diocese of diocese of Arlington, which is where we belong. 00:39:02.160 --> 00:39:06.765 So you can visit as many churches as you want. 00:39:07.305 --> 00:39:12.445 You can, you see some of the rather ornate ones, some of the oldest ones in the country. 00:39:13.305 --> 00:39:17.645 There's so there's as you said, there's just a ton of things to do outside of of school. 00:39:18.640 --> 00:39:27.680 Something you mentioned, though, your cohort, you said that you still you guys are still a lot of you are still good friends and, keep up with each other and stuff. 00:39:27.680 --> 00:39:29.600 I mean, you haven't been out of school that long. 00:39:29.600 --> 00:39:30.660 So you know? 00:39:31.065 --> 00:39:38.765 But is that something you feel that you benefited from as well, just the the the the camaraderie and the friendships you made while you were at DMU? 00:39:39.865 --> 00:39:40.185 Yeah. 00:39:40.185 --> 00:39:40.685 Absolutely. 00:39:42.105 --> 00:39:51.430 I would say my closest friends in all the world, with a couple exceptions, are my are members of my were members of my cohort. 00:39:54.210 --> 00:40:18.430 Just really, really phenomenal people who are you know, the being, you know, solid Catholics and and being interested in philosophy, at least to some extent and, also studying psychology allowed us to have, like, really deep connections. 00:40:19.690 --> 00:40:24.750 And, you know, you you you gravitate towards some towards some more than others. 00:40:24.890 --> 00:40:26.590 Of course, that's how it always is. 00:40:27.515 --> 00:40:31.215 But I'm deeply grateful, for those connections. 00:40:31.995 --> 00:40:46.880 In fact, just two weeks ago, I was visiting my best friend in Mon on my in Montana who works at the university of or Montana State University, doing the same thing I do, just in a different place. 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:53.460 And so, it it's just just a phenomenal group of people. 00:40:54.665 --> 00:41:05.325 And we we we do know the benefit of not only the the cohort, peer relationship, but the university connection, you know, you know, if you will. 00:41:06.425 --> 00:41:10.060 DMU started a a, alumni association. 00:41:10.060 --> 00:41:15.520 We kinda had a loose one over the years, but we formalized that over the last several years. 00:41:15.980 --> 00:41:24.075 And, I'm not sure if you remember yet or not, but, it's a pretty vibrant association. 00:41:25.095 --> 00:41:25.335 Yes. 00:41:25.335 --> 00:41:29.115 I'm actually on the, the board for the alumni association. 00:41:29.175 --> 00:41:32.055 So I'm quite where I'm at with my knowledge of the of the board. 00:41:32.055 --> 00:41:33.415 That's alright. 00:41:33.415 --> 00:41:33.895 That's alright. 00:41:33.895 --> 00:41:41.840 So I I am on the board for the alumni association, and, it's just getting off the ground. 00:41:41.980 --> 00:41:45.840 It's, like, a really solid, solid endeavor in the organization. 00:41:47.740 --> 00:41:54.285 And, you know, we're looking at various different ways to keep people connected. 00:41:55.305 --> 00:41:55.625 You know? 00:41:55.625 --> 00:41:59.145 Because there of course, I have, like, my core group of friends that I see with the calls with. 00:41:59.145 --> 00:42:04.985 None of the pea a lot of other people that, you know, I think about, and they come to mind, and I wonder how they're doing. 00:42:04.985 --> 00:42:08.690 But it's, you know, not you just grow apart. 00:42:08.910 --> 00:42:20.430 So, the alumni, you know, association will hopefully help, you know, put us back in touch and, just see what people are doing, how things are going. 00:42:20.430 --> 00:42:30.905 But, also, we're looking at being able to provide things like and this isn't set in stone, but, looking at, providing, like, a continuing education. 00:42:33.045 --> 00:42:47.250 And, you know, that would be valuable not only for alumni, but also for other people who want maybe have been have trained elsewhere, but want back the passing of integration. 00:42:48.990 --> 00:42:49.810 That's great. 00:42:51.545 --> 00:42:56.925 There is a question asking how long is the program and length of each course. 00:42:58.025 --> 00:42:59.645 We are on a semester basis. 00:43:00.585 --> 00:43:19.530 The program is basically five years in length, with a component after you graduate postdoc, where you will be on campus for about four years, and then you spend your fifth year out while you're working on your dissertation. 00:43:20.435 --> 00:43:33.255 And then, you know, after you receive your diploma, you still have some more work to do, especially as it relates to whatever state you may go back to or be, from and wanna practice. 00:43:34.115 --> 00:43:41.420 Sometimes state requirements require something that is a little bit different than than what we would normally put out there. 00:43:41.420 --> 00:43:43.340 Has that been the case for you, doctor Russell? 00:43:43.340 --> 00:43:46.240 Did you have to take any other additional hours or training? 00:43:47.500 --> 00:43:48.000 Yeah. 00:43:48.780 --> 00:43:50.560 So just one word. 00:43:51.715 --> 00:43:52.675 Take it from someone. 00:43:52.675 --> 00:43:57.015 Like, I kept hearing people say this, but I wish I would have taken it to heart. 00:43:57.395 --> 00:44:06.100 Do not wait to till your internship to do your dissertation because you're gonna I did that, and I regretted it. 00:44:06.100 --> 00:44:12.760 Because after working the whole day, you don't wanna come home and start working more, because you're working forty hours a week on internship. 00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:16.840 So I would not encourage you to wait till your fifth year to do your dissertation. 00:44:17.235 --> 00:44:21.635 But having said that, yeah. 00:44:21.635 --> 00:44:27.875 So for me, because, at the time, the PsyD program was not a direct admit program. 00:44:27.875 --> 00:44:41.180 So I started in the master's program and graduated with with a master's in clinical psychology, which I don't think is offered anymore at all, and then then transitioned into the the doctoral program. 00:44:41.560 --> 00:44:53.755 At the end of that, after after you know, I had the graduation, like, in May and then but I didn't actually graduate and get my diploma till August. 00:44:54.935 --> 00:45:04.810 And then the I was I'm licensed in four jurisdictions, so North Carolina, the District Of Columbia, Maryland, and Ohio. 00:45:05.510 --> 00:45:16.155 And, the first time, it's a little bit of a complicated endeavor because you have to, like, prove your hours and stuff, the the hours of training. 00:45:17.975 --> 00:45:22.235 And so but after that, it gets it gets a little easier. 00:45:22.370 --> 00:45:30.870 But each state requires that you do continuing education, credits or units, CE, CEUs. 00:45:31.650 --> 00:45:33.830 And, each state is different. 00:45:34.450 --> 00:45:47.935 For example, my first his first license in North Carolina, and it was a lot they were very, very strict about getting licensed, but they don't require that in continuing education credits. 00:45:48.155 --> 00:45:53.950 Whereas in Maryland, it was quite easy to get licensed, but they require a lot of continuing education. 00:45:54.250 --> 00:46:03.935 And so a continuing education, you know, could be as much as, like, a one hour thing like this, or it could be, you know, a more in-depth, training. 00:46:03.995 --> 00:46:09.535 So you once you're done with school, you are never actually done training. 00:46:11.515 --> 00:46:18.280 And, you know, some years you're gonna in most states, do a biannual, licensing. 00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:25.880 So some years, you're gonna, like, be proactive and find trainings that you wanna do. 00:46:25.940 --> 00:46:31.125 And other years, you might, you know, be scrambling at the end to just try and get it done. 00:46:31.685 --> 00:46:34.005 I recommend that you find the things that you wanna do. 00:46:34.565 --> 00:46:37.817 But so yeah. 00:46:38.005 --> 00:46:39.305 Did I answer the question? 00:46:39.685 --> 00:46:40.005 Yeah. 00:46:40.005 --> 00:46:41.045 You absolutely did. 00:46:41.285 --> 00:46:58.940 I I think for clarity purposes, I'd have to say that in in the old program that you were part of, as you mentioned, you actually were, admitted into the school as a master's degree student and then applied for and was chosen to continue on into the PsyD program. 00:46:59.615 --> 00:47:08.975 Today, under under the direct admit PsyD program, for those that that don't know, you actually do earn your master's in clinical psychology along the way Okay. 00:47:09.295 --> 00:47:19.760 Through your PsyD, but you're you're admitted into the full five year clinical PsyD PsyD program, and you do earn your clinical master's, along the way. 00:47:20.060 --> 00:47:21.740 So you do earn two diplomas. 00:47:21.740 --> 00:47:24.560 You actually get to walk twice too, which is a nice thing. 00:47:26.895 --> 00:47:33.315 So I I hope I've asked or answered the questions that were laid out there. 00:47:34.815 --> 00:47:41.090 I think, you know, in the time that you were here till now, DMU obviously has moved. 00:47:41.470 --> 00:47:43.970 We've gone to a direct admit ID program. 00:47:45.550 --> 00:47:58.235 But in terms of the quality of content, quality of instruction, and how you were able to go out into the world and use that, I don't know that that's changed a whole lot. 00:47:58.235 --> 00:48:02.335 I think, you know, a lot of the many of the same professors are still here. 00:48:03.355 --> 00:48:09.215 One thing you mentioned is, CEUs, continuing education units. 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:20.140 And, you know, some some years you're scrambling, some years you have that opportunity to look at and and take something that you want, to to really learn. 00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:27.085 I think it's important for people to understand, and and maybe you can, you know, maybe back me up if I say it correctly. 00:48:27.945 --> 00:48:48.940 I don't know that you could stay in school long enough to acquire all of the knowledge you would need to be a lifelong strong clinician because quite frankly, new things pop up, new therapy styles, and and, just things evolve. 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:53.385 The world, even when you graduate, is a little different now than it was back then. 00:48:54.825 --> 00:48:57.805 You know, today, unfortunately, we have things like the pandemic. 00:48:58.505 --> 00:49:01.385 We have international issues right now. 00:49:01.385 --> 00:49:05.145 We have a number of things going on that trigger people. 00:49:05.145 --> 00:49:05.805 You know? 00:49:06.290 --> 00:49:12.210 We we have a trauma a Green Cross trauma program, out of the university now. 00:49:12.450 --> 00:49:21.685 For those who don't know it, we had it then, but we also have a clinic here, where most students start their training. 00:49:23.345 --> 00:49:26.165 They go through the IPS clinic first. 00:49:26.865 --> 00:49:27.985 They see real patients. 00:49:27.985 --> 00:49:34.790 They, you know, they're under supervision and those kind of things, and then they move out into the the real world as they say. 00:49:35.250 --> 00:49:43.810 But, you know, there's a a value to continuing education, especially in a world of psychology because, again, the world's changing. 00:49:43.810 --> 00:49:46.790 It's evolving, and, clinical therapies are changing. 00:49:48.025 --> 00:49:50.925 You know, we're not all stuck on Freud anymore. 00:49:51.625 --> 00:49:52.985 I don't mean that as a slight. 00:49:52.985 --> 00:49:59.865 I'm just you know, you mentioned some therapies early on, that, you know, most people don't realize. 00:49:59.865 --> 00:50:10.030 You know, we we doctor, Nordling is, you know, a experienced and renowned child play therapist. 00:50:10.170 --> 00:50:11.070 He is incredible. 00:50:12.410 --> 00:50:13.950 He is absolutely incredible. 00:50:14.010 --> 00:50:16.910 He is I would say he's nearly a wizard. 00:50:18.375 --> 00:50:18.875 Okay. 00:50:20.055 --> 00:50:20.535 Alright. 00:50:20.535 --> 00:50:21.735 We have a question on here. 00:50:21.735 --> 00:50:34.310 As an undergraduate student from Canada, are there international funding grant applications which Canadian students have access to the financial need is a restriction to access to education. 00:50:35.330 --> 00:50:36.770 I'll answer that by saying this. 00:50:36.770 --> 00:50:41.750 First, Canada does have out of out of Canada funding opportunities. 00:50:43.170 --> 00:50:47.430 Second, we have, several scholarships that you can compete for. 00:50:47.875 --> 00:51:02.640 In addition, I mentioned a program earlier, memorandum of understandings that we actually have with, the Diocese of Saskatoon, Diocese of Calgary, and I wanna tell you one more up there. 00:51:02.860 --> 00:51:10.640 So if you're in a parish of one of those diocese, you're actually already part of a tuition discounting program. 00:51:11.180 --> 00:51:12.300 So I would check with them. 00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:22.275 If you're not and you're on this call and you wanna see if you can get your parish or diocese involved, please reach out to myself or financial aid, and we'll be more than happy to to help you. 00:51:22.335 --> 00:51:24.015 I literally sent out five today. 00:51:24.015 --> 00:51:25.555 I've already gotten two back. 00:51:25.775 --> 00:51:30.560 So it it's a it's a great way for students to get tuition reduction. 00:51:30.860 --> 00:51:36.560 It's also a great way for places to to help their parishioners. 00:51:37.100 --> 00:51:37.840 You know? 00:51:38.300 --> 00:51:45.225 We have a lot of folks coming from all different areas, all different kinds of, you know, not just the church, but all kinds of other different organizations. 00:51:46.085 --> 00:51:56.950 And, many of them appreciate the value that's being brought being brought back to them by way of an educated, clinician who can add value. 00:51:56.950 --> 00:51:58.550 And then not just in this ID program. 00:51:58.550 --> 00:52:03.450 This actually applies to all of our programs, including the spiritual direction certificate program. 00:52:03.990 --> 00:52:05.770 So hopefully I answered that question. 00:52:06.310 --> 00:52:07.935 I don't wanna sign off too quickly. 00:52:07.935 --> 00:52:11.535 I wanna make sure everybody that's on here has a chance to ask a question. 00:52:11.535 --> 00:52:12.815 If they haven't, we've been chatting. 00:52:12.815 --> 00:52:16.335 I was trying to see if we can get some of your experience out there. 00:52:16.335 --> 00:52:22.915 Really appreciate your time on the on the, the webinar here, doctor Russell, and all the all the things you've shared with us. 00:52:23.130 --> 00:52:26.750 But before we go one more time, does anybody else have any other questions? 00:52:27.370 --> 00:52:29.710 Definitely feel free to ask anything. 00:52:30.410 --> 00:52:31.050 I don't know. 00:52:31.050 --> 00:52:32.030 I'll say I don't. 00:52:33.690 --> 00:52:34.010 Alright. 00:52:34.010 --> 00:52:39.015 Well, we've been fairly proficient apparently, doctor Russell, because there's not not many have shown up there. 00:52:39.015 --> 00:52:39.975 So Alright. 00:52:40.055 --> 00:52:44.135 I do thank you for your your attendance here and and your sharing with us, doctor Russell. 00:52:44.135 --> 00:52:45.195 We appreciate it. 00:52:45.335 --> 00:52:54.550 And, I appreciate everybody that's been on the on the webinar, and I I look forward to talking to you folks, or Steve Showalter talking to you in the near future. 00:52:54.550 --> 00:52:57.210 And, thank you all, and have a good night. 00:52:57.510 --> 00:52:58.250 Take care. 00:52:58.710 --> 00:52:59.450 Bye bye. 00:52:59.670 --> 00:53:00.410 Bye now.