WEBVTT 00:00:32.980 --> 00:00:39.480 So good evening, everybody, and you're very welcome to Radio Maria to our Chatechesis program. 00:00:39.620 --> 00:00:48.695 And I have with me in today online, father Charles Sikorsky, the president of the Divine Mercy University in America. 00:00:49.075 --> 00:00:51.175 Father Charles, great to have you with us. 00:00:51.875 --> 00:00:52.835 Thank you, deacon Don. 00:00:52.835 --> 00:00:53.970 Great to be with you. 00:00:54.210 --> 00:00:54.450 Good. 00:00:54.450 --> 00:00:54.950 Good. 00:00:55.330 --> 00:01:05.110 And I have to confess, I'm involved in the Divine Mercy, postulate here in Ireland from the Divine Mercy Conference for the last, thirty three years. 00:01:05.410 --> 00:01:14.665 And I must say I was when Liz White told me that there was a Divine Mercy University, I was saying, how did I not know about this? 00:01:14.965 --> 00:01:17.785 So tell us a bit about the Divine Mercy University. 00:01:19.430 --> 00:01:24.470 So Divine Mercy University, we are a graduate university in United States. 00:01:24.470 --> 00:01:27.910 We're located in the Washington DC area. 00:01:27.910 --> 00:01:31.690 We're five minutes from Dulles International Airport. 00:01:32.845 --> 00:01:39.725 And our focus is bringing God's mercy and the wisdom of the church into the area of mental health. 00:01:39.725 --> 00:01:47.540 We form, Catholic, therapists, counselors, psychologists, spiritual directors. 00:01:48.880 --> 00:02:00.255 And we blend the best of science with the Catholic understanding of the human person, the Catholic understanding of life, this life and the afterlife, all blended together, into our programs. 00:02:00.255 --> 00:02:01.795 And that that that's our mission. 00:02:02.975 --> 00:02:07.375 And and we're, you know, really we've been blessed over the years to have many students. 00:02:07.375 --> 00:02:11.215 We've grown from about 50 students fifteen years ago. 00:02:11.215 --> 00:02:12.660 We're over 600 right now. 00:02:12.820 --> 00:02:13.140 Oh, my god. 00:02:13.140 --> 00:02:14.100 That's fantastic. 00:02:14.100 --> 00:02:43.085 And I love the idea of a holistic approach to, to spirituality of involving the whole person in the in the healing process because often as you know that we know from healing ministry here that when we go praying with people and we often find that the the root of whatever physical symptoms as Carl Jung used to say that, the what what goes on in the mind, the body takes on what goes on in the mind and psychosomatic. 00:02:43.970 --> 00:03:02.215 And that it's, we often find as as you well know that stuff like unforgiveness, things come up rejection, hurts, anger, and often come up as the roots of the to the physical pain that's presenting in the personal illness. 00:03:03.715 --> 00:03:04.355 Well, that's right. 00:03:04.355 --> 00:03:09.475 You know, and I I like to think of it as an incarnational way to approach this. 00:03:09.475 --> 00:03:13.110 In other words, Jesus was both human and divine. 00:03:13.250 --> 00:03:20.470 And there's a human part that's in in that that's important, but there's also the spiritual part, and they go they're blended together. 00:03:21.010 --> 00:03:29.865 And so when we form psychologists, well, they need to be aware of spirituality and the spiritual life and the fact that we have a spiritual soul. 00:03:30.485 --> 00:03:37.605 And when we're forming spiritual directors, it's, they also need to remember the part about, well, where we are incarnational beings. 00:03:37.605 --> 00:03:40.505 We have the human side that need, they need to work together. 00:03:41.880 --> 00:03:44.920 Oftentimes, you know, grace builds on nature. 00:03:44.920 --> 00:03:51.720 And so oftentimes you can have issues where people maybe we all kind of experience this when we go to confession. 00:03:51.720 --> 00:03:53.160 Seem like the same thing every time. 00:03:53.160 --> 00:04:05.325 And we have weaknesses on a human level, bad habits and so forth that, we need to fix first so that we're we're fixed as we go along so that God's grace can have its full impact. 00:04:06.040 --> 00:04:06.440 That's good. 00:04:06.440 --> 00:04:17.980 And and what gave you like, going back the six years, what gave you the inspiration to start this unique, I'd say and I'd say it is a unique undertaking. 00:04:18.200 --> 00:04:32.625 I mean, it's something I've often thought about if the the connections between them and why don't we become more conscious of the connections of the of what's going on in the body and the mind that that how would how would affects us spiritually? 00:04:34.610 --> 00:04:34.930 Yeah. 00:04:34.930 --> 00:04:35.250 Sure. 00:04:35.250 --> 00:04:52.295 There so this the initiative began, a group of Catholic mental laypeople, a group of Catholic mental health professionals who saw in their work, they were very well trained at secular universities and in the secular world of psychology. 00:04:53.395 --> 00:05:04.090 But they noticed that in their practice, when they were open to spirituality and values and many, many, many people who come for help want to talk about their faith. 00:05:04.090 --> 00:05:07.770 They want to talk about the values that are important to them. 00:05:07.770 --> 00:05:20.295 And so what they began to see, it was like, well, our training is good as far as it goes in many ways, but it's lacking this, the spiritual element or the openness to, to God and so forth. 00:05:20.295 --> 00:05:23.335 And so they decided to start a training program. 00:05:23.335 --> 00:05:30.320 They started first with continuing education programs, from people who were already practicing And that went fairly well. 00:05:30.380 --> 00:05:38.860 But they saw if they really want to make a bigger impact in the profession, there was a real need to start training students before. 00:05:38.860 --> 00:05:43.200 And so they stepped out in faith to start this, university. 00:05:45.075 --> 00:05:54.515 And, they started this before I I arrived, but, just tremendous, testimony of faith to step out and start this. 00:05:54.515 --> 00:06:07.620 And, you know, God's providence has been there over the years and has has helped us to really grow grow the school and and little by little really become, a formidable, institution. 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:09.200 And that's good. 00:06:09.200 --> 00:06:16.255 And can I ask what what type how many and what type of courses you run? 00:06:16.255 --> 00:06:18.115 Is it done on a modular basis? 00:06:18.255 --> 00:06:20.355 Is it done through diploma, degree? 00:06:20.735 --> 00:06:27.635 Like, here in in Europe, we do a modular diploma, degree, master's, doctorate. 00:06:28.740 --> 00:06:30.920 What what way do you structure your courses? 00:06:31.700 --> 00:06:32.100 K. 00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:34.680 So we have, four different programs. 00:06:34.740 --> 00:06:38.820 One is a certificate program, which would be more kind of like a diploma. 00:06:38.820 --> 00:06:44.945 That's for spiritual direction, to form people to help for spirit to become a spiritual guide. 00:06:45.645 --> 00:06:47.105 That's a shorter program. 00:06:47.405 --> 00:06:51.965 There are six courses, six modules that they take in that. 00:06:52.445 --> 00:06:55.130 And then there's some on-site training they have to come in for. 00:06:55.130 --> 00:06:56.990 Most of that is online, by the way. 00:06:57.930 --> 00:07:01.790 And then we have two master's programs, which are online. 00:07:02.490 --> 00:07:08.110 One is a master's degree in psychology, which is 100% online. 00:07:08.585 --> 00:07:11.725 And we get people from all over the world who study that. 00:07:11.945 --> 00:07:32.730 And then we have a master's in clinical mental health counseling, which is more most of the coursework is online, but there's a requirement that the students actually do a practicum at a train at a, professional site where they'll be supervised and they'll start to get to treat clients in counseling situations. 00:07:33.270 --> 00:07:40.885 And then they also have to come on-site, for short five day, residencies three times during. 00:07:40.885 --> 00:07:43.205 It's a three year two and a half to three year program. 00:07:43.205 --> 00:07:44.405 They come on for those. 00:07:44.405 --> 00:07:45.705 So it's kind of a hybrid. 00:07:46.005 --> 00:07:50.025 And then we have a doctorate program, doctoral program in clinical psychology. 00:07:50.940 --> 00:07:57.340 That's 100% on-site, because of the, just the requirements for training to get the license and so forth. 00:07:57.340 --> 00:08:07.565 So one doctoral program, two master's program, which are online, and then a, a training program for spiritual directors, which is also online. 00:08:08.345 --> 00:08:17.405 We're hoping to start some shorter modules as well that would be good for those who aren't degree seekers or don't have the time to become a spiritual director. 00:08:18.110 --> 00:08:20.510 Hopefully those within the next twelve months are gonna come out. 00:08:20.510 --> 00:08:21.250 That's fantastic. 00:08:21.390 --> 00:08:41.335 So you're catering for all categories of individual from people that just want to, learn and develop for their own personal use or to help in their ministry, but don't have aspirations on the academic ladder to pursue a degree or a master's or a doctoral program. 00:08:41.335 --> 00:08:43.995 So you're catering for everybody, essentially. 00:08:45.175 --> 00:08:46.455 That's what we're trying to do. 00:08:46.935 --> 00:09:13.555 And, you know, there's it's if you look at the crisis right now in the world as far as mental health goes, I can give you I don't know what the statistics are in Ireland, but I can tell you in The United States over the last three years, there's been well, first, it was a bad situation to begin with, but the rates of depression and anxiety and suicide have almost tripled, part from the fallout from the pandemic. 00:09:14.735 --> 00:09:16.435 But it's just a growing crisis. 00:09:16.495 --> 00:09:22.690 And part of the challenge is, first of all, there's a shortage of people who can help. 00:09:23.710 --> 00:09:36.005 And then most of the training which is out there is is is more of a secular vision of the human person, which doesn't include faith, spirituality, values, morals, these kinds of things. 00:09:36.005 --> 00:09:39.945 And so, we're really trying to fill a huge need. 00:09:40.165 --> 00:10:07.695 And so, you know, we're looking for people who wanna become professionals in those programs, but also how do we form, first responders like who can help, in different Catholic ministries, priests and religious who don't have, don't have time to study a degree, but could get some training, and in lay people who wanna help out at their at their parish or in their area, whatever, in whatever way possible, or schools. 00:10:07.995 --> 00:10:09.115 So different things like that. 00:10:09.115 --> 00:10:10.255 That that's our mission. 00:10:10.555 --> 00:10:10.795 Yeah. 00:10:10.795 --> 00:10:27.690 You have tremendous courage in taking on that challenge because it's a challenge for the entire church worldwide because the the the COVID pandemic certainly has hammered us spiritually, physically, psychologically, emotionally. 00:10:28.595 --> 00:10:52.870 And and we were only speaking about this this morning that fear was put into people, and that fear has never been moved in a lot of cases where we notice now there's nearly an addiction to the laptop and getting mass going to mass on the laptop in case there's a chance that they might catch something in in the church of the virus in the church. 00:10:53.250 --> 00:11:07.415 And my own personal feeling has always been and I'm probably old fashioned, but I I I sincerely believe that that God will not allow any virus into his house. 00:11:07.795 --> 00:11:20.980 This is God's house that we're entering into, and that we can be to me, wearing a mask is like it's it's it's like saying, well, God, I don't trust that you're going to look after me here. 00:11:20.980 --> 00:11:29.835 I'm going to receive holy communion and how could anybody think that God would allow anything near his precious blood? 00:11:29.835 --> 00:11:46.400 Just to me, it just makes me mad to think that that level of fear can be put into people that that surpasses the belief in God and his power to protect us, especially in his own house and receiving his own body and blood. 00:11:46.780 --> 00:11:49.760 How could anything dare come against that? 00:11:51.500 --> 00:11:51.820 Yeah. 00:11:51.820 --> 00:11:52.140 Yes. 00:11:52.140 --> 00:11:58.725 And I think I think hopefully little by little people are overcoming those fears, but it's as you're you're you're correct. 00:11:58.725 --> 00:12:01.065 It's it's it's a huge challenge right now. 00:12:01.685 --> 00:12:03.365 You know, and and you know how the devil works. 00:12:03.365 --> 00:12:05.605 The devil's always gonna put doubts in your mind. 00:12:05.605 --> 00:12:12.710 And and I I think, you know, he'll use whatever he can, to to create those fears. 00:12:13.490 --> 00:12:16.290 So, yeah, it's a real challenge. 00:12:16.290 --> 00:12:31.605 I think we need to be praying for our brothers and sisters and and encouraging them to come back, and receive our Lord because there is nothing better than receiving the Eucharist and and and going to mass and and and being in communion with our fellow Catholics and Christians. 00:12:31.665 --> 00:12:33.925 It's just we're called to that. 00:12:33.985 --> 00:12:34.485 Absolutely. 00:12:34.705 --> 00:12:41.020 I remember father Slavko in saying that this lady asked him in a group session one day. 00:12:41.020 --> 00:12:43.340 She said, well, father, is it okay? 00:12:43.340 --> 00:12:45.120 Now this is way before the pandemic. 00:12:45.580 --> 00:12:47.040 This is back in the eighties. 00:12:47.580 --> 00:12:49.980 And she said or the early nineties. 00:12:49.980 --> 00:12:58.645 And she said, father, is it okay to receive, to go to, to go to holy mass and to look at it on the television? 00:12:59.345 --> 00:13:13.600 And he said, well, lady, he said, you know, how would you feel if, I handed you a dinner in front of you here today, or if I handed you a dinner on television? 00:13:14.460 --> 00:13:15.980 He says, how would you feel it? 00:13:15.980 --> 00:13:16.640 You know? 00:13:16.940 --> 00:13:29.785 He says, when you're receiving a real meal, this is okay if you're in the position where you can't, go to, physically attend because you're not able to, but then you can receive a spiritual communion. 00:13:29.785 --> 00:13:39.080 But he says, but why you receive a spiritual communion when you're able to go physically to mass and receive Jesus body, blood, soul, and divinity? 00:13:39.540 --> 00:13:42.840 Says, why are you settling for something less? 00:13:44.020 --> 00:13:45.300 And she said, okay. 00:13:45.300 --> 00:13:49.565 But I thought it was a great way that he made the point of saying, look. 00:13:49.785 --> 00:14:04.920 You cannot be the real physical presence of being there, you know, in as holy mass when the priest when it be the bread and wine becomes the body and blood of Jesus when it's transformed to the Eucharist. 00:14:04.980 --> 00:14:11.460 So Well, and it and it separates us from our, Protestant brothers and sisters. 00:14:11.460 --> 00:14:13.780 We it's the Catholic liturgy is different. 00:14:13.780 --> 00:14:14.100 Right? 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:17.780 Because you do have it is this this holy this holy meal. 00:14:17.780 --> 00:14:23.355 It is this real presence of Jesus, and and that's a great way to to say it, so people think about it. 00:14:23.355 --> 00:14:23.595 Right? 00:14:23.595 --> 00:14:30.955 Now, obviously, some people physically and and due to age and so forth aren't required to go if they can or they're or they're ill. 00:14:30.955 --> 00:14:31.455 Sure. 00:14:31.595 --> 00:14:35.990 But but most, you know, but then I agree with you a lot. 00:14:35.990 --> 00:14:50.295 There there that idea of just going through through, the Internet, some people don't fully understand what what their responsibility is and and what more than that, what they're missing by not coming to receive Christ in the Eucharist. 00:14:50.595 --> 00:14:51.155 Oh, yes. 00:14:51.155 --> 00:14:51.555 Indeed. 00:14:51.555 --> 00:15:07.120 And and I think that's and and here's where, you know, as if believing community where we're in in, I won't say conflict, but where we're in a contradiction with the secular media of saying, oh, you know, don't mix, wear a mask. 00:15:07.580 --> 00:15:23.775 And that fear and that message is pertaining is is continuing, unfortunately, at a lesser level, you know, nearly keeping the fear level up, nearly keeping people away from, especially here in Ireland, what we do. 00:15:23.915 --> 00:15:25.775 Naturally, we love to go to mass. 00:15:26.280 --> 00:15:27.160 We love to meet. 00:15:27.160 --> 00:15:28.200 We love to talk. 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:33.420 We love to to gather, and we love to intermingle with each other. 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:46.515 And it's nearly breaking a culture in this whole concept of, oh, don't mix, you know, keep separate, keep your distance, stay at home, and, oh, I get so mad. 00:15:46.515 --> 00:15:50.455 Well, you know, it it you know, it's it's it's almost it's it's anti human. 00:15:50.595 --> 00:15:50.835 Right? 00:15:50.835 --> 00:15:52.295 We're we're made for relationships. 00:15:53.880 --> 00:15:59.500 And the ultimate relationship is the Holy Trinity, Father, Son, God himself is a relationship. 00:16:01.640 --> 00:16:03.400 And we're made in his likeness and image. 00:16:03.400 --> 00:16:04.860 And so we're made for relationships. 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:12.545 And we see, you know, in the mental health area, I can tell you, one of the biggest causes of problems is loneliness and isolation. 00:16:13.325 --> 00:16:14.845 And that's not good for anybody. 00:16:14.845 --> 00:16:23.960 And so, you know, obviously, yeah, the world wants to wants to, break that down. 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:24.200 Right? 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:25.160 It's anti human. 00:16:25.160 --> 00:16:26.140 It's anti God. 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:27.640 Yeah. 00:16:27.640 --> 00:16:32.745 And and, that's certainly not coming from God. 00:16:32.745 --> 00:16:48.300 And if people would realize that this is a message of fear that's been driven and if people could only believe that, you know, they're safe and coming to God's house, you know, this is God's house who loves us, You know, I think he's going to let nothing happen to us in there. 00:16:48.300 --> 00:16:49.120 Not a chance. 00:16:49.260 --> 00:16:50.560 Not a chance. 00:16:51.020 --> 00:16:57.600 And people say, oh, what did the government say and the newspapers say and I say they can say what they want. 00:16:58.035 --> 00:17:00.375 Like, God's house is God's house. 00:17:00.515 --> 00:17:01.555 He's in charge. 00:17:01.555 --> 00:17:06.935 He's in charge of the world, and he's in charge of our safety. 00:17:07.075 --> 00:17:10.835 So you can go you might have dangers going somewhere else. 00:17:10.835 --> 00:17:15.140 You certainly won't have an have it come into God's house, come into a Catholic church. 00:17:15.360 --> 00:17:19.860 There is no fear whatsoever, and there should be no fear. 00:17:20.560 --> 00:17:23.440 So that's the message of of of fate. 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:34.085 And it's a message, by the way, people see as being defiant or being a conspiracy theorist or not believing in all the the propaganda and the fear and the whole lot. 00:17:34.085 --> 00:17:34.885 And I said, yeah. 00:17:34.885 --> 00:17:35.125 No. 00:17:35.125 --> 00:17:36.565 I don't believe in any of it. 00:17:36.565 --> 00:17:44.340 I don't believe that no not one single individual will be no matter what state their health is in coming in. 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:50.660 They will not be affected or their hate health will not be affected by coming to church. 00:17:54.455 --> 00:18:01.115 So well, I think, you know, when we take risks for God, God never he never he's never outdone in generosity. 00:18:01.175 --> 00:18:07.550 We remember that, you know, and, I think I think I think we have to do that. 00:18:07.550 --> 00:18:16.990 And I think, you know, the, the, for the most part, the pandemic has passed and it's just, you know, you It's history. 00:18:17.230 --> 00:18:19.310 It's risky getting out of bed in the morning sometimes. 00:18:19.310 --> 00:18:21.070 So I think we need to really think about that. 00:18:21.070 --> 00:18:22.515 Like, what and what are we missing? 00:18:22.995 --> 00:18:23.772 You know? 00:18:23.772 --> 00:18:34.775 And what how important it is for us to to be in in in union with our fellow Catholics and also to, most of all, be in union with our our our our Lord through the Eucharist. 00:18:35.350 --> 00:18:35.590 Yeah. 00:18:35.590 --> 00:18:36.090 Absolutely. 00:18:36.790 --> 00:18:43.130 And, you know, father Charles, that that's where I think your courses have a lot to offer. 00:18:43.430 --> 00:18:58.365 And, certainly, here in Radio Marie, we'd be delighted to have the details on them and and let people know where they can where they can access them and access the details on them and how to apply for them. 00:18:58.365 --> 00:19:07.900 And, and I must say, there certainly is wisdom in in having something like that here in our own country. 00:19:07.900 --> 00:19:28.255 I know the encounter ministry, I think, is going to start in September, which is probably a very not as structured as your courses, but it's I think they're kind of, I won't say copying, but maybe borrowing that concept of trying to match psychotherapy with, spirituality. 00:19:29.610 --> 00:19:36.030 And and and and my wife is a clinical supervisor, psychotherapist, clinical supervisor. 00:19:36.250 --> 00:19:59.265 So so at home, we have a we have an interest in debate on, as a deacon with seven children, that we have an interest in debate with when any issues come in for prayer that, you know, Eileen will look at it from the psychotherapy point of view, and I'll be looking at it from the spiritual point of view. 00:19:59.265 --> 00:20:04.620 And we've kind of learned that there's a merger between the two. 00:20:04.620 --> 00:20:05.180 There's a merge. 00:20:05.180 --> 00:20:05.420 Right? 00:20:05.420 --> 00:20:07.980 Well, you know, you have a good head start raising seven children. 00:20:07.980 --> 00:20:12.800 That's that's, you you pick up a lot of skills along the way. 00:20:13.805 --> 00:20:19.665 But I would say if your listeners are interested, we can find more information is on our website, which is divinemercy.edu. 00:20:20.285 --> 00:20:23.265 That's divinemercy.edu on the web. 00:20:24.045 --> 00:20:27.105 And there's more information about all we're doing on there. 00:20:27.510 --> 00:20:27.590 Yeah. 00:20:27.590 --> 00:20:33.190 Because it's, it's it's unique what you are doing, and it's unique in the world. 00:20:33.190 --> 00:20:47.805 It's the first time that I've come across a university that's actually really acknowledging openly before we you try and try and ease one into a religious curriculum somewhere. 00:20:48.265 --> 00:20:55.565 But this is great that your openness would say, and this is who we are, this is what we do, and this is how you apply. 00:20:56.970 --> 00:21:03.870 So, really, part of the reason that happened, part of it is that, you many it's a very secular field overall. 00:21:04.650 --> 00:21:15.565 And so here in The United States, many of the Catholic universities who do have programs kind of fell into just little by little accepting what the secular profession was offering. 00:21:16.825 --> 00:21:23.865 And then those universities which, have a strong Catholic identity, many don't have graduate level programs. 00:21:23.865 --> 00:21:26.380 And so we're trying to fill that need. 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:36.710 And as you say, and we're not, you know, we're not saying we're God's gift to the world, but, there aren't many, there aren't many, there's tremendous interest internationally, but there aren't that many schools who try to do this. 00:21:37.875 --> 00:21:41.175 Internationally, but there aren't that many schools who try to do this. 00:21:41.475 --> 00:21:50.500 Well, in fairness, yeah, I I like the idea as well of being able to do it online from your own home and without having to travel anywhere. 00:21:51.040 --> 00:22:02.340 I I like that idea, and I like the idea of you're training spiritual directors up, again online without having to travel over to the university itself. 00:22:03.295 --> 00:22:05.375 I I like I like that. 00:22:05.375 --> 00:22:16.035 And, in fact, I like the whole ethos of what you're doing and the courage you have in doing it in facing into that challenge that's facing the whole church. 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:18.480 Well, thank you, Deacon Dunn. 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:19.360 I appreciate that. 00:22:19.360 --> 00:22:19.760 Yeah. 00:22:19.760 --> 00:22:23.140 And I appreciate what you're doing there, on the airwaves. 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:23.440 Right? 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:25.700 Getting a message out, preaching the gospel. 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:27.600 Oh, that's great. 00:22:27.600 --> 00:22:31.280 So we're we're fellow pilgrims on the one road, on the one journey. 00:22:31.280 --> 00:22:39.655 So I'll be delighted to, now that I've it's great to meet you and to have this conversation and interview. 00:22:40.195 --> 00:22:52.040 And this will go out to all our listeners, and we put it out through the whole Radio Maria network because as I said, until Liz told me about yourselves, I wasn't aware. 00:22:52.500 --> 00:22:59.540 You know, after all my involvement in Divine Mercy, I have to ashamedly say that I hadn't come across Yousaf. 00:22:59.540 --> 00:23:03.555 But now that I have, I certainly will let our network know. 00:23:04.255 --> 00:23:16.370 We have a conference every year in Ireland here, biggest conference in Ireland, in fact, in Europe, and, probably one of the biggest in the world every February and a divine mercy conference. 00:23:16.370 --> 00:23:18.550 So we've a huge network. 00:23:19.090 --> 00:23:28.470 So we'll certainly let the network know as well that these courses are on offer and they're available, and I think it's a great contribution you're making. 00:23:29.035 --> 00:23:30.315 Well well, thank you very much. 00:23:30.315 --> 00:23:30.795 No shame. 00:23:30.795 --> 00:23:35.835 And shame on us for not getting more publicity out there, but we're little by little, we're getting the word out. 00:23:35.835 --> 00:23:38.655 Well, I hope this this interview helps. 00:23:39.035 --> 00:23:39.995 Thank you very much. 00:23:39.995 --> 00:23:41.935 So father, would you give us your blessing? 00:23:43.220 --> 00:23:43.880 I would. 00:23:45.220 --> 00:23:50.520 May the blessing of almighty God descend upon all the listeners of Radio Maria. 00:23:51.060 --> 00:23:52.420 Bless them and their families. 00:23:52.420 --> 00:23:59.495 Help them to open their hearts and receive God's grace to to follow our Lord each and every day. 00:23:59.795 --> 00:24:05.875 Lead them all to your blessed life eternal and and bless them and their families. 00:24:05.875 --> 00:24:08.275 In the name of the Father and the Son and Holy Spirit. 00:24:08.275 --> 00:24:08.775 Amen. 00:24:09.451 --> 00:24:09.951 Amen. 00:24:10.091 --> 00:24:16.911 Father Charles Sikorsky, thank you so much for being with us, and thanks to all our listeners for joining us on Chatechesis.