Emmanuel, Salvation & Torah Deceivers
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[00:00:00] We thank You, Lord.
[00:00:02] We want to hear what the Holy Spirit is saying to the churches, Lord.
[00:00:06] What You are illuminating and focusing on in Your Word.
[00:00:11] Lord, we just pray for the anointing of Your Spirit today to lead us and guide us into all truth.
[00:00:16] Lord, I ask You to give to each and every person here, watching, listening, or touch them.
[00:00:21] Give them Your Spirit of wisdom and revelation, the eyes of their understanding be enlightened.
[00:00:27] God, we just pray that You speak to every heart and change every life.
[00:00:34] In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.
[00:00:37] All right, you may be seated this morning.
[00:00:40] Welcome, everyone.
[00:00:42] Fire and Grace Church this morning.
[00:00:44] Am I on? Is that loud enough this morning? All right, sounds good.
[00:00:48] Hallelujah.
[00:00:49] Well, well, well, you know, I have to apologize.
[00:00:59] I said I was going to leave something alone.
[00:01:02] I just can't leave it alone because they won't leave it alone.
[00:01:05] All right.
[00:01:06] But this is important.
[00:01:08] There is a lot of error and deception going on out there in the so-called Christian truther world.
[00:01:17] And we're going to break it down today.
[00:01:20] I've entitled this today Emmanuel, Salvation, and Torah Deceivers.
[00:01:26] I'm not going to stop pounding the truth.
[00:01:29] Now, this is not just about one person to one certain individual
[00:01:32] that I was going to try to step away from.
[00:01:35] I'm going to have to bring up again because he just decided to start it back up.
[00:01:39] So we're going to deal with it.
[00:01:42] But there's so much deception going on, especially,
[00:01:46] and there's a great battle going on right now about who Jesus is.
[00:01:51] And there's a battle.
[00:01:51] Is Jesus God in the flesh?
[00:01:54] Is He just the Son of God?
[00:01:56] Is He just a, is He a created being?
[00:01:59] Is He the first created thing that the Father God made?
[00:02:04] Or is He truly the fullness of the Godhead bodily?
[00:02:10] And what I'm discovering within, not just within what you would say where Christians
[00:02:16] have been deceived by new age thought, but what you're seeing is even within the Torah
[00:02:21] observant Hebrew roots movement, there's a lot of people that are really adamantly
[00:02:30] speaking against the fact, the biblical truth in Revelation,
[00:02:34] that Jesus Christ is God Almighty in the flesh.
[00:02:40] And so we're going to break that down.
[00:02:41] We're also going to show today where they are teaching going back and
[00:02:45] keeping Old Testament covenant laws and rituals and Sabbaths and
[00:02:51] feasts and dietary laws, that that is a requirement for salvation.
[00:02:54] Even though many of them will say out of their mouth one minute,
[00:02:57] it's not a requirement and the next minute they'll say it is.
[00:03:01] So we're going to look at that and you're going to be shocked.
[00:03:03] And you're going to be shocked to find out that there's a lot of these so
[00:03:06] called Christians who call themselves Torah observers who really
[00:03:10] have great disdain for the New Testament.
[00:03:14] And don't accept it fully as the inspired infallible word of God.
[00:03:20] And it's going to be shocking today because I've got plenty of video clips.
[00:03:26] So you're going to hear it for yourself.
[00:03:28] All right.
[00:03:29] But let's work ourselves through this a little bit here.
[00:03:33] Now this right here, one particular Torah ministry that I'm sure some of
[00:03:38] the Torah observers, Torah followers would say is an extreme site.
[00:03:42] But I'm going to show you that the ones who would say this is extreme.
[00:03:47] What comes out of their mouth,
[00:03:48] the same thing coming out of these people's mouth.
[00:03:50] So let's look at this.
[00:03:51] This is called Torah of Messiah.
[00:03:54] And I don't know who this guy is.
[00:03:55] He says in this article, he's 61 years old.
[00:03:57] So he's old enough to know better.
[00:04:00] But he starts down this road and he says,
[00:04:02] Christianity is broken.
[00:04:04] It's time for repair.
[00:04:07] Of course, his whole thing is that Constantine changed everything in 325
[00:04:12] and created the Christianity that we have today.
[00:04:15] Of course, I'm going to prove to you by church history and our early church
[00:04:18] fathers long before Constantine, that's just a lie.
[00:04:22] OK, but let's just go through this because this is a teaching today.
[00:04:26] So you're going to have to be patient with me.
[00:04:27] I just wanted you to notice here.
[00:04:29] He says right here in this middle paragraph,
[00:04:33] he says, I will no longer refrain from actively resisting its false teaching.
[00:04:37] He's talking about present Christianity.
[00:04:39] I left contemporary Christianity and never intend to darken the doors
[00:04:43] of a church again, except perhaps to honor the dead and grieve
[00:04:46] with family members by attending funerals.
[00:04:48] He says right here, the Most High granted me and others vision
[00:04:53] into the depths of error that comprise Christianity,
[00:04:56] the Antichrist that it promotes.
[00:04:58] So they say that the Christ Jesus that we preach in New Testament,
[00:05:02] New Covenant Christianity is really the Antichrist.
[00:05:06] It's a false Messiah.
[00:05:09] That's what they say.
[00:05:10] Just remember that.
[00:05:11] He says the Antichrist that it promotes, Antichrist equals replacement Messiah,
[00:05:15] the lawless, anti Torah foundations that constitute its core,
[00:05:19] the idolatrous worship of a false God.
[00:05:22] And he's talking about worshiping Jesus as God in the flesh.
[00:05:25] That's what he's talking about.
[00:05:26] You'll see it. We'll get to that in a second.
[00:05:28] He says the false concepts of the afterlife.
[00:05:30] This guy denies the reality of hell, eternal punishment, eternal damnation.
[00:05:35] And he says the general hypocrisy, the direct opposition it presents
[00:05:39] to the actual truths of the eternal one and the overall absence of truth
[00:05:42] and presence of untrue that constitute contemporary Christianity.
[00:05:48] So this guy is not mincing words, is he?
[00:05:52] He says here, and I just want you to see this right here.
[00:05:56] He says the time has come to openly oppose Christianity's replacement
[00:06:01] of and desecration of the Messiah, as he is truly defined in the New Testament.
[00:06:07] Christianity's idolatrous worship of God incarnate.
[00:06:13] So they did not. He's a flat out denying that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh,
[00:06:19] though it's exactly what the New Testament teaches.
[00:06:21] I'll show you that in a second.
[00:06:23] Anyway, he says that Christianity's idolatrous worship of God incarnate
[00:06:27] and Christianity's fierce opposition to God's Torah.
[00:06:31] OK, I mean, this dude right here, he says, well, right under that again,
[00:06:36] I state that it's time to call the religious system of Christianity what it is.
[00:06:39] Pagan, lawless, fraudulent religion, a religion of hypocrisy,
[00:06:43] idolatry, gross misrepresentation of both Messiah and God is an abomination
[00:06:48] that will not survive the return of Messiah.
[00:06:50] And Matthew 7.24, he's talking about that anybody that believes like we believe is doomed.
[00:06:57] He'll hear, depart from me, you cursed, and depart from me,
[00:07:00] you worker of iniquity, you worker of lawlessness.
[00:07:03] So let's keep going here.
[00:07:05] One of his first things he says is that Christianity, he says,
[00:07:11] literally replaces Scripture.
[00:07:13] Now, this is just amazing here.
[00:07:15] He says, the New Testament is not and never was intended to be Holy Scripture.
[00:07:24] Oh, yeah.
[00:07:27] I proved this conclusively in an article on that very topic.
[00:07:30] That article can be linked here.
[00:07:31] I challenge anyone to refute it.
[00:07:33] Let me state again.
[00:07:34] So I will not be misunderstood.
[00:07:37] The New Testament is not, never was intended to be, never will be Holy
[00:07:41] Scripture and for a very simple reason, no one in the New Testament
[00:07:46] considered it to be, lies, lies, lies.
[00:07:50] Now, this may sound shocking to you, but I'm going to show you some Torah
[00:07:55] leaders that you've heard of that say the same thing,
[00:07:59] but just in a little bit more subtle way, AKA Rob Skiba, Doug
[00:08:04] Hamp, and others who began to say, well, the New Testament is really not
[00:08:14] what God intended.
[00:08:15] It's really God.
[00:08:16] It's not the very words of God like the Old Testament.
[00:08:19] I'm going to show you that in a second.
[00:08:21] OK, I'm just letting you see.
[00:08:23] Some of them would say, oh, this is extreme Torah,
[00:08:26] but then they say the same things, maybe in a different way
[00:08:29] or a little more subtle, but they say the same thing.
[00:08:32] Let's keep going with this joker.
[00:08:35] He says, listen to this one.
[00:08:37] He says, if you think right here, he says, if you think the foundational
[00:08:42] principle of Christianity is the acceptance of Jesus as Christ,
[00:08:47] then you are naively deceived.
[00:08:52] I'm not making this up.
[00:08:55] This is straight from a Torah head website, right?
[00:08:58] He says that principle is simply a component,
[00:09:01] a devised means of using a faulty explanation of Messiah's purpose
[00:09:06] to support the primary goal, which is Torah abolishment.
[00:09:10] The Christ of Christianity, who differs drastically
[00:09:13] from the actual Messiah of the New Testament,
[00:09:15] is a weapon that is used to try to destroy the Torah.
[00:09:18] The elimination of Torah from the world
[00:09:20] is the primary objective of Christianity
[00:09:22] and always has been since the 4th century.
[00:09:25] Not true again.
[00:09:27] The early church fathers, including the apostles,
[00:09:29] taught that we move from the Old Testament to the new.
[00:09:32] There are changes.
[00:09:33] There are things that are done away with.
[00:09:35] People better get back to sacrificing animals for their sin.
[00:09:39] I know I've said that before, but they'll say, oh, well, that changed.
[00:09:45] I believe sooner or later they are going to start doing this again.
[00:09:49] Right?
[00:09:51] So let's keep going here.
[00:09:54] He says, wake up, Christians.
[00:09:56] See the misrepresented God in the flesh and Jesus Christ
[00:10:00] of Christianity for what he really is, a tool for Torah destruction.
[00:10:05] He says here, now listen to this.
[00:10:08] Indeed, death to God, the giver of the Torah,
[00:10:11] and replacement with their false trinity God
[00:10:13] or some other form of idolatry that claims Jesus is God in the flesh.
[00:10:19] He calls the New Testament claim that Jesus is God in the flesh idolatry.
[00:10:28] Right?
[00:10:29] Let's keep going.
[00:10:31] Now he says, Christianity promotes the antichrist.
[00:10:34] So his conclusion of this is, he says,
[00:10:37] let's discuss the antichrist in a separate article.
[00:10:41] He says, the term antichrist is a Greek word that means instead of Messiah,
[00:10:45] replacement Messiah, counterfeit Messiah,
[00:10:47] that counterfeit is precisely the Christ Christianity promotes.
[00:10:50] Instead of the true pro-Torah, one and only God
[00:10:53] worshipping Messiah presented in the New Testament,
[00:10:57] the Jesus Christ of Christianity is an anti-Torah Messiah,
[00:11:00] lie dreamed up in the minds of anti-Semitic,
[00:11:03] anti-Torah, idolatry embracing Christian leaders of antiquity
[00:11:07] and supported by history's agents of deception to this very day.
[00:11:10] He is not the Messiah Yeshua actually introduced in the New Testament writings.
[00:11:16] The Messiah of the New Testament has little in common with the misinterpreted,
[00:11:19] mystifying Christ of pagan lawless contemporary Christianity.
[00:11:23] And then he says, if you want to meet the antichrist,
[00:11:25] go into about any Christian church and you will.
[00:11:29] If you want proof, go read the article in which I discuss it.
[00:11:33] So he says, if you wisely prefer to avoid the antichrist,
[00:11:36] then stay away from contemporary Christianity.
[00:11:39] So Christianity, if you're not Torah, you're following the antichrist.
[00:11:47] Mmm, you're following the lawless one.
[00:11:50] Who have I heard say that?
[00:11:52] Oh yeah, Rob Skiba.
[00:11:54] Let's look at some of Rob Skiba's quotes here.
[00:11:57] Now, of course, I covered some of these before,
[00:11:59] but notice what he says here.
[00:12:00] He says, this Jesus that is preached today is an antinomian
[00:12:04] or antilaw, lawless, false Christ.
[00:12:08] He says, by what I mean, not that Jesus is evil,
[00:12:10] but rather the version of him, all right,
[00:12:14] which is portrayed largely by December 25th celebrating Sunday over Sabbath day,
[00:12:19] pork and shrimp eating, anti-Torah folks.
[00:12:23] He says the odd thing is that they are the ones preaching another gospel,
[00:12:27] but they accuse me.
[00:12:29] So he's saying very clearly that anyone who does not teach
[00:12:34] keeping Sabbath, feasts, new moons, dietary laws,
[00:12:37] if you're not keeping the old covenant
[00:12:39] and you're not preaching the New Testament in that way,
[00:12:43] then you are preaching and believing in another Jesus and another gospel.
[00:12:50] Does it sound any different than the radical Torah head I just read?
[00:12:56] No, it doesn't.
[00:12:58] I'm just going to be honest today.
[00:12:59] I'm tired of the games.
[00:13:01] This was opposed to the middle one here.
[00:13:03] Something he said, this was referring to me and Nathan Roberts at the time.
[00:13:08] He said, read Matthew 5.
[00:13:09] Are you going to be the least in the kingdom?
[00:13:12] I say aim high and let the antinomian, that means anti-law,
[00:13:16] Nicolatans, something Jesus hated, aim for the sewers if that's what they want to,
[00:13:22] as they likewise risk the fate of the lawless, which is the spirit of Antichrist.
[00:13:27] So he's saying, if we don't keep the Torah the way he thinks we ought to keep it,
[00:13:32] then we have the spirit of Antichrist.
[00:13:36] Isn't that what the other guy said?
[00:13:38] That that's the spirit of Antichrist because he's the lawless one.
[00:13:41] And then he said, ultimately their fight is not against me.
[00:13:43] They are at war with Yahweh.
[00:13:45] So we're at war with God.
[00:13:47] Do you understand that basically Rob Skiba is saying here
[00:13:52] that if you don't follow Torah like me, you are my enemy.
[00:13:55] You are the enemy of God.
[00:13:57] So how can you be saved?
[00:14:02] He is a double-minded man and he is unstable in all his ways.
[00:14:06] And I hope he repents of this doctrinal error and division
[00:14:10] he's causing the body of Christ.
[00:14:14] Then he really takes it to the next level.
[00:14:18] In this post, when he says so in short here on your right side,
[00:14:22] so in short, if your Jesus has taken you away from Yahweh,
[00:14:26] his commandments, his Sabbaths and the rest of his ways,
[00:14:29] then to be perfectly blunt, you are guilty of idolatry
[00:14:32] and worshiping, you are worshiping a different God.
[00:14:38] How can it be any more salvational than this?
[00:14:42] And he says, you've having broken the first four commandments,
[00:14:44] which were written by the very finger of Yahweh himself.
[00:14:48] If this is you, you may seriously need to reconsider
[00:14:51] your entire belief system.
[00:14:52] Meaning the entirety of Christianity has been wrong
[00:14:56] until the Torah movement.
[00:14:57] Until about 2009, according to Rob Skiba.
[00:15:04] Yet it ain't interesting that he got saved in a church
[00:15:06] that wasn't Torah.
[00:15:10] This is called deception.
[00:15:12] This is called the falling away that Paul warned of
[00:15:16] in Galatians and Hebrews about going back to the law
[00:15:20] for righteousness, for justification, for salvation.
[00:15:24] If you don't believe it's for salvation,
[00:15:26] how can you say people like us who don't believe
[00:15:29] that we need to do those things because of New Testament Scripture?
[00:15:35] How can you say we're not saying?
[00:15:37] How can you say we're the enemy?
[00:15:38] How can you say where the law is?
[00:15:40] I'm just presenting today because there's some people
[00:15:42] out there still don't believe it, still don't get it.
[00:15:45] That their precious little, you know,
[00:15:48] idol Rob Skiba or Doug Hamp or just the Torah movement
[00:15:52] in general is a complete deception
[00:15:57] and that it is teaching this for salvation.
[00:16:04] And I'm about tired of brothers out there
[00:16:07] making excuses for these people.
[00:16:11] See, I get in trouble because I just won't close my eyes
[00:16:15] and act like it's not happening.
[00:16:19] It's happening.
[00:16:20] It's happened.
[00:16:22] We're in the midst of it.
[00:16:24] Let's keep going.
[00:16:24] Look at this.
[00:16:25] In case you couldn't see that, let me read it again.
[00:16:30] Skiba says, and he's a leading Torah teacher.
[00:16:33] So in short, if your Jesus has taken you from Yahweh,
[00:16:38] his commandments, his Sabbath, so he's letting you know
[00:16:42] you're not keeping the old covenant the way we think you should.
[00:16:47] And the rest of his ways then to be perfectly blunt,
[00:16:49] you are guilty of idolatry and worshiping a different God.
[00:16:57] Now, let's go to the Jesus being God thing.
[00:17:01] All right.
[00:17:03] Jesus being God.
[00:17:05] Now, there's a lot of confusion.
[00:17:07] I'm just going to say this.
[00:17:08] There's a lot of confusion in the body of Christ
[00:17:10] about the Trinity.
[00:17:12] There has been a battle about the Trinity
[00:17:14] going on for, I mean, since day one, okay?
[00:17:20] Because it is something that's kind of hard to understand.
[00:17:23] Father, Son, Holy Spirit, how are they one?
[00:17:25] How are they separate?
[00:17:28] But I think it's easy now for us,
[00:17:30] now that we have both the Old and New Testament to look at,
[00:17:35] to understand something because we have revelation.
[00:17:38] Now, let's look at this.
[00:17:39] This verse of Scripture, I think,
[00:17:42] makes it very clear as we get into it.
[00:17:45] This is 1 Thessalonians 5.23.
[00:17:47] He says here,
[00:17:49] The very God of peace sanctify you wholly or completely,
[00:17:53] and I pray, God, your whole spirit, soul, and body
[00:17:56] be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[00:18:01] So, the Bible clearly teaches here,
[00:18:02] and I taught this in our ministry school class the other day.
[00:18:06] The Bible clearly teaches that a human being
[00:18:09] has a spirit, and a soul, and a body.
[00:18:12] Numa, and then there's psyche, or suke,
[00:18:16] as it's pronounced in Greek,
[00:18:17] but it looks just like our word psyche,
[00:18:19] the soul, the mind, will, and emotions,
[00:18:21] and then the soma, the body.
[00:18:23] All right, three different Greek words here.
[00:18:25] We have three parts.
[00:18:27] Now, if you could take Pastor Dean here,
[00:18:29] and you could take his spirit out and set it right here,
[00:18:31] and you could take my soul out and set it right here,
[00:18:34] you would have three very distinct parts.
[00:18:36] My spirit would not be my body.
[00:18:38] My soul would not be my spirit, right?
[00:18:40] My soul would not be my body.
[00:18:43] But it doesn't mean that there's three of me, okay?
[00:18:50] The three of me, those three aspects of me,
[00:18:52] make up one Pastor Dean.
[00:18:55] And does not the Bible say, and let's look at this,
[00:18:59] Genesis 1.26,
[00:19:01] and God said,
[00:19:02] Let us make man in our image after our likeness.
[00:19:05] And then he says, I believe I didn't put the rest,
[00:19:07] but verse 27,
[00:19:08] So God created man in his own image.
[00:19:12] So if I am a three in one being,
[00:19:16] having a spirit, a soul, and a body,
[00:19:19] and I'm created in the image of God,
[00:19:21] wouldn't it stand to reason that that's how God is?
[00:19:26] Wouldn't that make sense?
[00:19:27] Doesn't that make sense?
[00:19:31] Let's look at it.
[00:19:35] And this is what I taught in class the other day,
[00:19:37] and I believe this is very simple to understand.
[00:19:40] Spirit, soul, and body.
[00:19:43] I believe you could apply this aspect,
[00:19:46] the soul to the Father,
[00:19:48] because what is the soul?
[00:19:49] The soul is our mind, will, and emotions, our consciousness.
[00:19:53] It's who we are.
[00:19:53] It's what makes us unique, right?
[00:19:57] But it's also the will.
[00:19:58] Remember, what did Jesus say at times?
[00:20:00] I only do the will of my Father.
[00:20:03] You only do the will of your soul.
[00:20:05] Whatever your soul, your mind decides to do.
[00:20:09] That's what you do, right?
[00:20:12] Your body carries it out.
[00:20:14] The spirit would equal the Holy Spirit, right?
[00:20:17] You have a spirit man that has a mouth, and ears, and eyes, and a body,
[00:20:24] and, of course, the physical aspect of this would be the Son.
[00:20:31] Now, this is the way it works.
[00:20:33] God is one God,
[00:20:37] but he has three very distinct parts
[00:20:39] that are different from the other,
[00:20:43] that can be separate from the other,
[00:20:48] but if, like I said, if you have Pastor Dean standing right here,
[00:20:52] and my spirit's standing right here,
[00:20:54] and my soul's standing right here,
[00:20:55] you're not going to point to my spirit and say,
[00:20:59] you're not Dean.
[00:21:01] Or you're not going to point to my soul and say,
[00:21:04] you're not Dean.
[00:21:05] And you're not going to point to my body and say,
[00:21:07] you're not Dean, right?
[00:21:11] You're going to look at it as,
[00:21:12] that's the spirit of Dean,
[00:21:14] that's the soul of Dean,
[00:21:15] that's the body of Dean, right?
[00:21:19] Does everybody understand that?
[00:21:20] Now, this is what the Bible teaches about this. Let's go and look at it.
[00:21:25] Alright, let's read this right here. Now, these are just several verses.
[00:21:30] Let's look. Colossians 2, 8, 9. Alright?
[00:21:33] Colossians 2, 8, 9 says this,
[00:21:36] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit
[00:21:40] after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[00:21:44] For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
[00:21:50] Does that not say what I just explained to you?
[00:21:54] That all the fullness of the Godhead, both the Father, the soul, the Holy Spirit,
[00:22:00] the Spirit in the body, Jesus, is the fullness of God in flesh, incarnate.
[00:22:08] This is not a doctrine of Constantine or the Council of Nicaea in 325.
[00:22:15] They only acknowledged what the Bible was teaching
[00:22:19] and what the true saints and the true apostles and prophets
[00:22:23] and evangelists, pastors and teachers taught in the New Testament
[00:22:28] and taught in the early second century as well.
[00:22:32] This is not new. Let's read it.
[00:22:35] For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
[00:22:38] That's the Apostle Paul by the Holy Spirit.
[00:22:40] But then we go back to the prophet Isaiah, 750 BC,
[00:22:44] back to their precious Old Testament that they lift up above the new.
[00:22:48] But again, all scripture is given by God and is profitable for doctrine.
[00:22:54] So here we have it. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given,
[00:22:59] the government shall be upon his shoulders, his name shall be called Wonderful,
[00:23:03] Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.
[00:23:10] Now wait a minute, how can this child that is going to be born,
[00:23:13] a son, also going to be called the Everlasting Father?
[00:23:16] How is that possible if Jesus is not God Almighty Yahweh in the flesh?
[00:23:25] How is it possible? You cannot reconcile this scripture.
[00:23:31] You just have to toss it out.
[00:23:33] I've had people try everything in their power to get rid of this,
[00:23:40] to explain it away, to dismiss it. You cannot.
[00:23:45] So let's continue on. What does this say? We've entitled this message Emmanuel.
[00:23:50] Why? Because it talks about the fulfillment of a prophecy in Isaiah 7.14.
[00:23:56] It says, Behold a virgin, shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son,
[00:24:00] and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is God with us.
[00:24:06] Does it say God's right hand? Does it say part of God? Does it say someone like God?
[00:24:14] No, it doesn't. It says God with us. Amen?
[00:24:22] Alright, let's keep going here.
[00:24:26] 1 Timothy 3.16, the Apostle Paul, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit,
[00:24:30] confirms what was written in Isaiah 9.6, in Isaiah 7.14,
[00:24:37] when he says, and without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness.
[00:24:42] God, theos in the Greek, is God the supreme being.
[00:24:47] God was manifest in the flesh.
[00:24:53] Does everybody see that? Okay, now listen,
[00:24:58] your only way out of the New Testament scriptures is to try to dismiss the New Testament.
[00:25:02] But right here, there's four passages, two from the Old, two from the New,
[00:25:09] saying the same thing. Jesus is God in the flesh.
[00:25:15] Now, this is Nathan Roberts, good friend of ours.
[00:25:19] He's going to show you a little clip from a little radio show of some Torah teachers out there
[00:25:27] who deny that Jesus is God in the flesh. In fact, say that God is not a man
[00:25:32] and could never become a man. Listen to this.
[00:25:35] So in a video put out by Parable of the Vineyard where Adam is the host of it,
[00:25:40] he invites Ken and Shawn to discuss the topic of,
[00:25:45] which the video is titled on Parable of the Vineyard,
[00:25:48] The Messiah, the Prophecy, Fulfillment, and Identity with Shawn and Ken.
[00:25:55] At the two hour, 27th minute, 14th second marker,
[00:26:00] Ken Heidebrecht says that God is not a man.
[00:26:04] And Shawn Griffin agrees and validates him. Just take a listen.
[00:26:10] It's in Numbers 2319 where it says, God is not a man.
[00:26:14] That's right. Right. Let's take that literal, guys.
[00:26:17] God is not a man, nor can he become a man,
[00:26:19] especially a man to mediate for mankind on behalf of himself.
[00:26:23] So the God you're speaking of, their numbers, it's like Yahweh, right?
[00:26:27] That's correct. Yeah. So yeah, absolutely, man.
[00:26:31] Nathan's about to get them, right?
[00:26:38] This Torah teacher said God is not a man, nor can he become a man,
[00:26:44] especially a man to mediate for mankind on behalf for himself.
[00:26:50] Now these guys, Parable of the Vineyard and some of these others,
[00:26:55] these guys Rob Skeva supports too. He defended them.
[00:27:00] In fact, his latest post against me and Nathan was defending
[00:27:04] this particular video that Nathan did about it.
[00:27:07] Now let's look at what, let's keep going.
[00:27:09] What's the Bible say? How about this scripture?
[00:27:12] 2 Corinthians 5, 19, to wit that God was in Christ,
[00:27:16] reconciling the world unto himself,
[00:27:19] not imputing their trespasses unto them,
[00:27:24] and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
[00:27:29] Hmm, God can't do that.
[00:27:31] God can't become a man and then become the mediator
[00:27:33] to reconcile the world to himself.
[00:27:35] Do you hear it? You want to talk about Antichrist.
[00:27:38] Let me talk about the spirit of deception in Antichrist.
[00:27:42] Here's another passage that they need to think about.
[00:27:45] There is one God and one mediator between God and man,
[00:27:48] the man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all
[00:27:51] to be testified in due time.
[00:27:54] So wait a minute. The Bible says Jesus is God in the flesh,
[00:27:59] who is reconciling the world to himself on the cross,
[00:28:03] and it says he's also the mediator, the only mediator.
[00:28:10] Remember, let me give you an example of this.
[00:28:12] Remember when God was going to make a covenant with Abraham?
[00:28:15] And back then when they'd make a covenant,
[00:28:17] they would cut an animal in pieces and they would divide it,
[00:28:20] and then both parties would walk into figure eight
[00:28:23] between that animal that had been sacrificed
[00:28:26] because the word covenant means cutting.
[00:28:29] Blood has to be shed for covenant.
[00:28:31] There's a cutting and there has to be an agreement.
[00:28:33] So both parties, whatever they were making a covenant over,
[00:28:36] their agreement, but they would walk through these pieces
[00:28:38] and they would say, so the Lord do to me
[00:28:42] if I break this covenant.
[00:28:44] Well, when God made a covenant with Abraham
[00:28:46] and it says he had Abraham sacrifice an animal,
[00:28:49] cut it in half in pieces,
[00:28:51] that God caused the deep sleep to fall upon Abraham,
[00:28:57] and he himself, God, walked through the pieces.
[00:29:02] Basically, God made the covenant with himself
[00:29:06] because he knew Abraham wouldn't be able to keep it.
[00:29:10] So he was protecting Abraham, Jesus coming,
[00:29:15] the final sacrifice.
[00:29:17] Yes, he became the sacrifice to save us
[00:29:23] because he knew we wouldn't be able to do it.
[00:29:26] Listen to me, the moment you make Jesus Christ
[00:29:29] anything less than God Almighty Yahweh in the flesh,
[00:29:33] you have just blasphemed the blood of Jesus
[00:29:36] and you have just made the blood that is our reconciliation,
[00:29:41] that is our eternal life, that is our redemption.
[00:29:43] You've just made it just like a normal man
[00:29:48] and not the blood of God.
[00:29:49] It had to be the blood of God, folks.
[00:29:52] See, the subtleties of this Torah movement,
[00:29:57] the subtle deceptions and blasphemies
[00:30:00] are what's the worst, because it's subtle.
[00:30:04] They're not like the Satanists just blatantly telling you
[00:30:09] that they hate the cross
[00:30:12] and that Jesus was just a man or whatever,
[00:30:14] but they're doing it subtly.
[00:30:16] Now, let's keep going.
[00:30:19] Just to make sure we know our Scriptures again,
[00:30:21] Colossians 2, 8, 9,
[00:30:23] for in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
[00:30:26] The Son would be called the mighty God,
[00:30:29] the Everlasting Father.
[00:30:31] He is Emmanuel, God with us.
[00:30:34] It is written plainly in the New Testament.
[00:30:37] He was God manifested in the flesh, right?
[00:30:40] I just want you to see.
[00:30:44] Here's another one, John 1, 1.
[00:30:47] In the beginning was the Word
[00:30:49] and the Word was with God
[00:30:52] and the Word was God.
[00:30:54] So the only way you can say that is,
[00:30:55] look, in the beginning, right,
[00:30:57] in the beginning there was Pastor Dean
[00:31:04] and he was with his soul and with his spirit.
[00:31:07] You get what I'm saying?
[00:31:10] But he's Pastor Dean.
[00:31:11] That's what he's saying here.
[00:31:12] In the beginning was the Word,
[00:31:13] the Word was with God and the Word was God.
[00:31:15] Everybody say this to me.
[00:31:16] The Word was God.
[00:31:20] Verse 14 of this same chapter says,
[00:31:24] and the Word was made.
[00:31:28] God was made flesh.
[00:31:30] That's what the Gospel of John teaches.
[00:31:33] So not just the Apostle Paul that they hate,
[00:31:36] but who?
[00:31:39] John 2.
[00:31:41] Oh my, oh my.
[00:31:44] And Matthew 2.
[00:31:46] Remember Matthew 26?
[00:31:47] They love Matthew because, of course,
[00:31:49] Matthew was written in Hebrew,
[00:31:50] so they love that one.
[00:31:53] So let's keep going here.
[00:31:54] Now this one, again,
[00:31:58] if Jesus is not fully God in the flesh,
[00:32:02] Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,
[00:32:03] the fullness of the Godhead bodily in the flesh,
[00:32:06] then how could Jesus make this statement
[00:32:09] right here about the first and the last?
[00:32:10] Because right here in Isaiah 44, 6, it says,
[00:32:14] thus saith the Lord, and that word Lord,
[00:32:16] there is Yahweh.
[00:32:18] I'll show you that in a minute.
[00:32:19] It's Jehovah.
[00:32:22] Thus saith the Lord, the King of Israel,
[00:32:24] and his Redeemer, the Lord of Hosts,
[00:32:26] I am the first and I am the last,
[00:32:29] and beside me there is no God.
[00:32:33] Beside me there is no God.
[00:32:39] And then Jesus says,
[00:32:40] this is the Apostle John in the Book of Revelation,
[00:32:43] when he is called up to heaven
[00:32:46] and he sees the Lord Jesus,
[00:32:47] the risen Lord, and he says,
[00:32:48] when I saw him, I felt that his feet is dead,
[00:32:50] and he laid his right hand upon me,
[00:32:52] saying unto me, fear not,
[00:32:54] I am the first and the last.
[00:32:56] I am he that liveth and was dead,
[00:32:58] and behold, I am alive forevermore.
[00:33:00] Amen, and have the keys of hell and death.
[00:33:03] That is Jesus saying exactly who he is.
[00:33:07] I am God, the first and the last.
[00:33:13] If he's not God almighty in the flesh,
[00:33:18] then this is a lie.
[00:33:20] He was a liar and a deceiver.
[00:33:24] Okay, let's keep going.
[00:33:26] I want you to see this is
[00:33:29] the word Lord there in that verse.
[00:33:31] Isaiah 44.6 is that one right there.
[00:33:34] Yodhi Vahe, right?
[00:33:37] Jehovah, Yahweh.
[00:33:40] Or as some of them say, Yahuwah, nobody knows.
[00:33:44] Now here's another one.
[00:33:47] Of course, I just put up Isaiah 44.6 again,
[00:33:50] but Jesus said, Revelation 1.8,
[00:33:52] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,
[00:33:55] saith the Lord, which is and which was
[00:33:57] and which is to come the Almighty.
[00:34:00] So here Jesus says, he's the first and the last,
[00:34:04] the beginning and the end, and the Almighty.
[00:34:08] Everybody see that,
[00:34:09] or is it just Pastor Dean making up stuff?
[00:34:14] You know, to me, I thought a long time ago,
[00:34:17] of course, and he says that at the end of Revelation,
[00:34:19] Jesus speaking again, he says,
[00:34:20] I am the Alpha and Omega,
[00:34:22] the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
[00:34:25] Revelation 22.13.
[00:34:28] So, let's look at another passage here.
[00:34:31] Now let's slow down and read this.
[00:34:33] Jesus told his own disciples, think about this word,
[00:34:36] you have seen the Father.
[00:34:39] He didn't say you've seen someone like the Father.
[00:34:42] He didn't say you've seen someone
[00:34:44] that has some of the attributes of the Father.
[00:34:47] It's not what he said.
[00:34:50] Let's read it.
[00:34:51] Jesus saith, this is John 14.6-9,
[00:34:54] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life,
[00:34:57] and unto the Father, but by me.
[00:34:59] If you had known me, you should have known the Father also.
[00:35:02] So, if you know me, you know my Father.
[00:35:05] How's that possible?
[00:35:07] Because, like, you've never met my Father, have you?
[00:35:10] No.
[00:35:11] But you've met me.
[00:35:13] Okay.
[00:35:14] So, you don't know my Father, but yet you met me.
[00:35:18] Alright.
[00:35:20] So, he goes on to say,
[00:35:22] if you had known me, you should have known my Father also,
[00:35:24] and from his forth, you know him,
[00:35:27] and have seen him.
[00:35:29] How have they seen the Father?
[00:35:32] If Jesus is just a man, or if he's just the Son of God,
[00:35:35] that's all he is.
[00:35:37] If he just has some attributes,
[00:35:39] he says they have seen the Father.
[00:35:46] This is not my opinion.
[00:35:48] Alright, let's keep reading.
[00:35:50] From his forth, you know him, and have seen him.
[00:35:53] Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father,
[00:35:55] and it will suffice us.
[00:35:57] It will...
[00:35:58] Look, just quit talking in riddles, Lord,
[00:36:00] and show us what you're talking about.
[00:36:02] Please, just show us the Father.
[00:36:05] Now, what's the answer?
[00:36:07] Yeah, let me open up heaven, and I'll show you the Father.
[00:36:13] Let me open the windows of heaven,
[00:36:15] and I'll show you this different being.
[00:36:18] No, it's not what he says.
[00:36:22] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long a time with you,
[00:36:26] and yet thou hast not known me?
[00:36:29] Who's saying that?
[00:36:39] Have I been so long a time with you,
[00:36:41] and yet hast thou not known me, Philip?
[00:36:45] He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
[00:36:50] How sayest thou then, show us the Father?
[00:36:52] Jesus was amazed that Philip did not yet understand fully who he was.
[00:36:57] So Jesus is explaining it to him.
[00:37:03] I don't know how else to say it.
[00:37:08] You can go on and read the rest of it.
[00:37:09] Let's keep going.
[00:37:10] There's our verses again.
[00:37:14] Notice I put these up three times.
[00:37:17] Two Old Testament, two New.
[00:37:20] Pretty plain English, right?
[00:37:22] So how does a Torah teacher say,
[00:37:24] God is not a man, neither can he become a man.
[00:37:27] When the Bible says God became a man
[00:37:31] so that he could take on the sins of the world.
[00:37:37] You say, well, Pastor Dean, that whole concept fries my brain.
[00:37:43] Well, it fries mine too.
[00:37:45] That's why Paul said great is this mystery.
[00:37:50] Without controversy, great is this mystery.
[00:37:55] And we may not fully grasp every aspect of it,
[00:37:57] but I can tell you this much.
[00:37:59] I believe what the word says, Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead body.
[00:38:08] And I will not diminish who he is, not one jot or tittle.
[00:38:16] Now, let's hear what Mr. Skiba says about what he believes who Jesus is
[00:38:26] and the Trinity.
[00:38:28] Let's listen to this one.
[00:38:32] Well, in similar fashion, we see throughout the Old Testament,
[00:38:35] God referring to his mighty right hand.
[00:38:37] His right arm has done this.
[00:38:39] His right hand is his salvation.
[00:38:41] Well, salvation is Yeshua.
[00:38:43] So, I mean, it just jumped out the page of me one time when I was reading.
[00:38:49] I think it was in Isaiah.
[00:38:51] And actually, I think we talked about this in one of the recent shows we did here,
[00:38:55] virtual house church shows.
[00:38:57] I mean, it's right there.
[00:38:59] I mean, if I just say, well, Yeshua is the physical right hand of the Father,
[00:39:03] well, it still fits.
[00:39:05] The Father is not the right hand.
[00:39:07] The right hand is not the breath.
[00:39:09] The breath is not the Father.
[00:39:11] Yet, the right hand is part of the Father.
[00:39:13] The breath is part of the Father.
[00:39:15] And the Father is God.
[00:39:17] So, this still works.
[00:39:19] In my mind, if I just change the terminology,
[00:39:23] that if I look at in this screen share right here,
[00:39:28] is this Rob Skiba?
[00:39:30] No.
[00:39:32] It's Rob Skiba's hand.
[00:39:34] And my hand, you know, hopefully doesn't start doing things on its own,
[00:39:38] smacking me around.
[00:39:39] Stop this crazy thing.
[00:39:41] It only does what I tell it to do.
[00:39:44] What did Yeshua say?
[00:39:45] I only do what the Father does.
[00:39:46] I only say what the Father says.
[00:39:48] This can't do anything without this.
[00:39:51] It is part of me, but it's not me.
[00:39:54] Same thing if I go, you know, well, that came from me as part of me,
[00:40:01] but it's not me.
[00:40:02] My breath is not me, but without me, it didn't exist, you know.
[00:40:06] So, to me, I'm fine with the graphic,
[00:40:11] but I'm not fine with the Mithra worshiper
[00:40:14] dictating to me what it represents.
[00:40:16] And that's what it comes down to,
[00:40:18] is all of the standard doctrine that we have,
[00:40:20] the Trinitarian doctrine that most churches teach
[00:40:23] and subscribe to and believers believe,
[00:40:26] was decreed by a Mithra worshiper, Constantine,
[00:40:30] at the Council of Nicaea.
[00:40:31] There were all these bishops and guys were arguing
[00:40:33] about the nature of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,
[00:40:35] how they all work together.
[00:40:37] And he said, all right, here's the deal.
[00:40:39] I'm going to settle this and either like it or you're dead.
[00:40:43] You know, so he makes a decree,
[00:40:45] and the church adopts his decree,
[00:40:48] and now it's this foundational doctrine
[00:40:50] that most Christians go by today.
[00:40:52] So I'm going, and I posted this the other day.
[00:40:54] I says, you know, we have a big problem
[00:40:55] if one of your core, if one of Christian's core
[00:40:59] essential doctrines was given to us by a Mithra worshiper.
[00:41:03] Yeah, you might want to rethink it.
[00:41:05] Okay, a lot to unpack here.
[00:41:09] But before I get into what he say in the Mithra worship,
[00:41:13] that all the, that the doctrine of the Trinity
[00:41:15] and the deity of Jesus Christ as God of the flesh
[00:41:17] came from Constantine and the Council of Nicaea in 325.
[00:41:20] I'm going to deal with that,
[00:41:21] that either he's woefully ignorant of church history,
[00:41:24] or he's purposefully lying.
[00:41:26] There's only one or two ways you can look at this,
[00:41:28] because it doesn't take much research
[00:41:30] to look into church history and find out
[00:41:32] that hundreds of years before Constantine
[00:41:34] that this is what the church believed.
[00:41:36] We can look at the Scriptures first.
[00:41:37] We look, then we look at the disciples of the disciples,
[00:41:41] like Polycarp and Ignatius,
[00:41:43] and those guys in the very early,
[00:41:46] within the late first century, early second century,
[00:41:49] and into the early third century,
[00:41:51] even before the Council of Nicaea.
[00:41:53] But let me unpack this a little bit.
[00:41:56] Now, let me ask you something.
[00:41:58] My right hand.
[00:41:59] Everybody see my right hand right here?
[00:42:01] Is there any way you could say
[00:42:05] that my right hand, or my right arm,
[00:42:09] is the fullness of denodal spirit, soul, and body?
[00:42:16] Just my right hand.
[00:42:19] No.
[00:42:22] Do you see the problem here?
[00:42:27] What was Jesus?
[00:42:28] A hand puppet?
[00:42:29] He needs that hand to slap him around a little bit.
[00:42:43] No.
[00:42:48] The fullness of the Godhead body means that.
[00:42:51] You look up the word.
[00:42:52] Total, complete.
[00:42:54] The whole shabang, the whole package.
[00:42:57] Not just the right hand.
[00:42:59] He doesn't even have the Holy Spirit right.
[00:43:02] Breath.
[00:43:04] Really?
[00:43:05] So breath talks and leads and teaches and guides.
[00:43:10] But let's look at the true history here.
[00:43:18] And this is taken from our textbook that I love.
[00:43:24] But I've looked these things up as well
[00:43:27] in the original sources,
[00:43:28] but The Ancient Church Fathers by Dr. Ken Johnson.
[00:43:32] Here's a few quotes.
[00:43:34] Ignatius,
[00:43:38] discipled by who?
[00:43:40] Students?
[00:43:41] Huh?
[00:43:43] Peter.
[00:43:48] Peter.
[00:43:49] That's right.
[00:43:50] Ignatius.
[00:43:51] Very good.
[00:43:52] All right.
[00:43:53] Let's look at it.
[00:43:54] Ignatius lived AB 30 to 107.
[00:43:57] When was Constantine and the Council of Nicaea?
[00:43:59] 325.
[00:44:01] But you're right.
[00:44:02] 313 is when Constantine created the Roman Catholic Church.
[00:44:07] But 325 was the Council of Nicaea.
[00:44:10] So here we have, look here.
[00:44:12] How many years?
[00:44:13] Over 200 years before Constantine.
[00:44:17] Before the Council of Nicaea,
[00:44:19] Ignatius,
[00:44:21] discipled by the Apostles
[00:44:23] in his epistle to Ephesus,
[00:44:25] wrote Jesus is God existing in the flesh.
[00:44:28] Do you see that?
[00:44:29] Does everybody see that?
[00:44:31] Jesus is God existing in the flesh.
[00:44:35] Jesus is our God in his epistle to the Romans.
[00:44:39] For our God, Jesus Christ,
[00:44:42] is all the more revealed in his glory.
[00:44:44] Jesus is God.
[00:44:45] Matheus in AD 130,
[00:44:48] still, you know,
[00:44:50] 200 years, almost 200 years before Constantine
[00:44:54] and the Council of Nicaea,
[00:44:55] Jesus is God coming in the flesh.
[00:44:57] The very creator of all things
[00:44:58] is not an angel.
[00:45:01] He says also,
[00:45:02] he testifies that he was taught directly by the Apostles
[00:45:04] and that Jesus is uncreated from everlasting.
[00:45:07] Theophilus,
[00:45:09] AD 168,
[00:45:10] still,
[00:45:11] over a century before Constantine
[00:45:13] and the Council of Nicaea,
[00:45:15] there is only one God
[00:45:16] and he created everything.
[00:45:17] Theophilus was the first to use the term
[00:45:19] Trinity.
[00:45:21] Okay?
[00:45:22] Long before,
[00:45:23] so anyone who says
[00:45:25] that this was all concocted by Constantine
[00:45:28] that the Council of Nicaea is ignorant
[00:45:31] or lying,
[00:45:32] deceiving you on purpose.
[00:45:34] And I hate the ramifications
[00:45:37] if they're deceiving you on purpose.
[00:45:40] Okay?
[00:45:41] But let's say Justin Martyr,
[00:45:43] very famous early church father,
[00:45:45] long before the Roman Catholic Church,
[00:45:47] long before Constantine,
[00:45:49] you know,
[00:45:50] he lived 110 to 165.
[00:45:52] In his first Apology,
[00:45:53] look what he says here,
[00:45:55] right there.
[00:45:58] There is one God that manifests in three persons.
[00:46:01] So Constantine came up with this.
[00:46:03] Now they've struggled for a term,
[00:46:06] persons,
[00:46:07] and the reason I believe they use this term
[00:46:09] is because
[00:46:11] just as my spirit man can speak
[00:46:13] and hear and talk,
[00:46:14] it's like a person.
[00:46:16] Just as my soul can communicate
[00:46:18] and receive communication.
[00:46:20] It's like a person.
[00:46:22] So let's say it's the attributes
[00:46:24] it could function.
[00:46:25] Remember we have stories of where,
[00:46:27] like Ezekiel,
[00:46:28] God took Ezekiel out,
[00:46:29] his spirit out of his body
[00:46:30] and took him from Babylon to Jerusalem
[00:46:33] and showed him what was going on in the temple.
[00:46:35] His spirit man and his soul
[00:46:38] was separated from his body,
[00:46:40] but he was seeing what was going on in Jerusalem
[00:46:42] with spiritual eyes,
[00:46:44] and that was communicating to his soul
[00:46:47] what was going on.
[00:46:48] God was showing in everything.
[00:46:50] This happened in 1 Corinthians 5 with Paul.
[00:46:52] Paul was not in Corinth,
[00:46:54] but God took his spirit to Corinth
[00:46:56] and he could see and hear and everything else.
[00:47:00] Isn't that interesting?
[00:47:03] We can separate out,
[00:47:04] but does that make us any less?
[00:47:06] If it's our spirit,
[00:47:07] our soul or our body,
[00:47:08] does that make us any less?
[00:47:09] Us?
[00:47:10] No.
[00:47:12] To me, it's not complicated.
[00:47:13] Let's keep going.
[00:47:14] In dialogue 48,
[00:47:15] Jesus is God incarnate
[00:47:16] and he pre-existed.
[00:47:18] Jesus, who is God,
[00:47:20] appeared as one of the angels' men
[00:47:22] to Abraham.
[00:47:24] A thenegorus,
[00:47:25] A.D. 177,
[00:47:26] still over a century before Constantine
[00:47:29] and the Council of Nicaea
[00:47:30] said there was only one God.
[00:47:32] He said right here,
[00:47:33] he said that Christians worship the Father,
[00:47:36] Son, and Holy Spirit
[00:47:37] refer to God as God.
[00:47:40] Jesus was never brought into existence
[00:47:42] but was always with the Father.
[00:47:43] And then we have Irenaeus.
[00:47:45] He's one of my favorites, Irenaeus,
[00:47:46] because he wrote a massive volume
[00:47:49] called Against Heresies.
[00:47:51] He was fighting the Gnostics
[00:47:53] and all kind of false teachers
[00:47:54] that were coming forth
[00:47:56] and he said very clearly,
[00:47:59] everything was made by God
[00:48:01] and nothing was made by an angel.
[00:48:03] Jesus is God,
[00:48:04] Against Heresies 3.9,
[00:48:06] Against Heresies 3.15,
[00:48:08] Jesus and the Father
[00:48:09] are the only true God.
[00:48:11] He said Jesus is 100% God,
[00:48:13] the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are one.
[00:48:16] Jesus created the universe
[00:48:17] and is the God of Gods.
[00:48:19] Could it be more clear?
[00:48:23] This is centuries before Constantine,
[00:48:29] the Mithra worshiper.
[00:48:31] This is Bible
[00:48:35] and this is true church history
[00:48:37] pre-Council of Nicaea,
[00:48:41] pre-Constantine, pre-Roman Catholic Church.
[00:48:44] But you won't hear these guys say this.
[00:48:47] To me, it's very dishonest
[00:48:49] and very deceptive.
[00:48:51] And again, either they're showing
[00:48:54] their massive ignorance
[00:48:56] or they're showing willful deception
[00:48:58] and bias, right?
[00:49:01] Don't leave out the details.
[00:49:06] It gets me upset.
[00:49:10] Now, it's not surprising
[00:49:13] that you would hear Rob Skiba
[00:49:17] go down this road about Jesus
[00:49:18] as just the right hand,
[00:49:20] basically saying, you know,
[00:49:22] that my right hand is not me,
[00:49:24] it's just part of me.
[00:49:26] What does that do?
[00:49:27] Would just my right hand
[00:49:29] be equal with the full me?
[00:49:31] No, I could live without my right hand.
[00:49:34] So this guy is one of Skiba's teachers,
[00:49:37] one of his mentors.
[00:49:39] Of course, Chris Putnam wrote about this,
[00:49:41] and I shared this before,
[00:49:42] but I wanted to point out again
[00:49:43] that Rob says that this guy
[00:49:46] who wrote this book, Epidemic,
[00:49:48] examining the infected roots
[00:49:50] of Judaism and Christianity,
[00:49:52] his name is Ross Pappy Hulk
[00:49:55] or Hook or Hookie,
[00:49:56] I don't know how you say it.
[00:49:57] Anyway, Rob has stated
[00:49:59] that he changed his life.
[00:50:01] And it says on page 356,
[00:50:03] he said, Chris Putnam,
[00:50:05] who wrote Spiritual Worldview,
[00:50:07] he wrote Perpetris Romanus
[00:50:09] with Tom Horn,
[00:50:11] he stayed strong to this stuff.
[00:50:13] He said he was able to locate
[00:50:15] the probable impetus
[00:50:17] of Skiba's Trinitarian heresy
[00:50:19] denying the person of the Holy Spirit,
[00:50:21] but he found even more than that
[00:50:22] because he found this little quote here
[00:50:26] where Hook denies the Trinity explicitly.
[00:50:28] On page 382,
[00:50:29] he argues that Jesus, quote,
[00:50:31] was never co-equal with the Father Yahweh
[00:50:34] and is not part of Trinity Godhead.
[00:50:37] Now this book is recommended by Skiba.
[00:50:43] And Hook's entire premise,
[00:50:45] the way he bases his entire book on,
[00:50:47] is that he says that he discovered
[00:50:50] that in the name of the Father,
[00:50:52] Son, and the Holy Spirit
[00:50:53] that's in Matthew 28, 19,
[00:50:55] is not in the early manuscripts.
[00:50:56] But Putnam points out,
[00:50:58] Hook or Hook or whatever his name is,
[00:51:00] falsely claims that Constantine
[00:51:02] added the Trinitarian formula to Matthew 28.
[00:51:05] This is simply not true
[00:51:07] that all extant manuscripts contain the phrase
[00:51:10] baptizing them in the name of the Father
[00:51:11] and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
[00:51:13] Not a single textual variant is listed
[00:51:15] in the critical Greek New Testament.
[00:51:17] So this is dishonesty.
[00:51:21] This is deception.
[00:51:23] This is not historical.
[00:51:24] This is not based on manuscript evidence.
[00:51:26] This is not based on true church history.
[00:51:29] This is just based on their bias.
[00:51:32] But this is where this constant,
[00:51:34] I mean it's like Constantine,
[00:51:35] Constantine, Constantine, Constantine.
[00:51:37] But what they're saying here,
[00:51:38] and you need to listen closely,
[00:51:41] Hook and these guys,
[00:51:43] when they say that your doctrines
[00:51:45] of the Trinity and the deity of Jesus Christ
[00:51:47] as God in the flesh
[00:51:48] came from a Mithra worship or Constantine,
[00:51:51] what they're saying is
[00:51:53] that Constantine changed the New Testament.
[00:51:56] And it's simply not true.
[00:51:57] We've learned this in our apologetics class
[00:51:59] and our church history class
[00:52:00] in Fire and Grace School of Ministry here.
[00:52:02] We've learned about the manuscripts
[00:52:05] and the ones that date back
[00:52:07] to the first century and the early second,
[00:52:10] long before Roman Catholicism,
[00:52:13] long before Constantine.
[00:52:15] So again, any real, true, honest,
[00:52:19] theological research,
[00:52:23] any true scholarly research,
[00:52:25] you don't get Torah following.
[00:52:28] You get New Testament inspired by God,
[00:52:37] and that's what we're under.
[00:52:38] Now, here's a picture.
[00:52:39] This is Rob.
[00:52:40] Rob, he did a series of shows with Doug Hamp.
[00:52:43] They're both Torah teachers.
[00:52:44] It was called Quest for Truth.
[00:52:46] This is a picture of Rob promoting
[00:52:48] the book Epidemic by Russell.
[00:52:51] You can go look at it.
[00:52:52] What is it?
[00:52:53] It says Episode 10.
[00:52:54] So go look it up for yourself,
[00:52:55] just so you can see up a little closer.
[00:53:00] And there's the book.
[00:53:02] Any questions?
[00:53:05] He's pushing it.
[00:53:06] He said it changed his life.
[00:53:08] And here he is on a show
[00:53:10] with Doug Hamp pushing Epidemic,
[00:53:12] which is a terrible heretical book
[00:53:15] from cover to cover.
[00:53:17] All right.
[00:53:18] Let me tell you something.
[00:53:20] I don't push books by heretics.
[00:53:22] I don't push books that teach
[00:53:25] wrong church history,
[00:53:27] wrong manuscript evidence,
[00:53:29] and are dishonest
[00:53:32] and deny Jesus as God in the faith.
[00:53:34] I would never push a book that
[00:53:37] are essential core doctrines of the faith.
[00:53:40] I would never say,
[00:53:41] hey, go get this book
[00:53:44] so you can be deceived.
[00:53:45] Why would I do that to you?
[00:53:46] Look like I endorse it?
[00:53:48] No, because this is what he believes.
[00:53:50] Let's just be real.
[00:53:55] You promote what you believe, right?
[00:54:02] I wish people wouldn't try to hide it.
[00:54:05] Maybe that's why Rob calls the refers
[00:54:07] to the New Testament
[00:54:08] as the so-called New Testament.
[00:54:10] Who that revered the New Testament
[00:54:14] as the God-breathed,
[00:54:15] inspired, infallible word of Almighty God?
[00:54:18] Who would call it the so-called New Testament
[00:54:21] or New Code?
[00:54:22] This shows disdain.
[00:54:26] For the new because they want to
[00:54:28] exalt the old and live under the old.
[00:54:30] Oh, you're going to have fun with this one.
[00:54:34] Everybody pay attention and listen close.
[00:54:38] Because again, this right here is
[00:54:40] Doug Hamp on with Rob Skiba
[00:54:43] and I can't remember the other guy's name.
[00:54:45] But what Mr. Hamp says here?
[00:54:49] Nobody says they disagree.
[00:54:51] Everybody just keeps cruising right along.
[00:54:53] And there's two clips from two different shows.
[00:54:55] So just listen closely.
[00:54:59] What Mr. Doug Hamp, a very well-known Torah teacher
[00:55:02] that was at Take On The World last year as a speaker.
[00:55:07] Let's see what he has to say.
[00:55:09] If you have this idea that there's two different Gospels,
[00:55:12] well, now you have this huge dichotomy
[00:55:15] between the Old Testament
[00:55:17] where God gave those poor Jews
[00:55:20] this odorous, burdensome system
[00:55:23] and they had to do and not do and all this stuff
[00:55:25] and try to earn their way to heaven.
[00:55:27] And then Jesus came along, right?
[00:55:29] And now it's all frozen.
[00:55:31] And we have grace and we're so lucky, Doug, on it.
[00:55:34] And so when you have that kind of mentality
[00:55:38] then you're going to start to say,
[00:55:40] well, you know, what Paul said
[00:55:43] has to be the very words of God.
[00:55:48] And I don't think that was necessarily
[00:55:50] the intent of what Paul was trying to do.
[00:55:52] I'm not sure that that's what even, you know,
[00:55:56] even God necessarily wanted to communicate.
[00:56:00] And I'm sure someone's going to throw up a red flag.
[00:56:02] What did you say, Doug?
[00:56:04] Yep, I'm throwing up a red flag.
[00:56:10] He said, when you have that kind of mentality
[00:56:14] that things change under the new covenant
[00:56:16] through the atoning death of Jesus on the cross,
[00:56:18] you're going to start saying,
[00:56:19] well, you know, what Paul said has to be, you know,
[00:56:22] the very words of God.
[00:56:23] And I don't think that was necessarily the intent
[00:56:26] or what Paul was trying to do.
[00:56:28] I'm not sure that's even what, you know,
[00:56:30] what even God necessarily wanted to communicate.
[00:56:34] And I would just say this, Rob,
[00:56:36] is that what I've discovered is that,
[00:56:39] and I'm sure you have too.
[00:56:41] So this is old news, right?
[00:56:43] But, you know, we used to come to Scripture thinking,
[00:56:46] well, Paul got all these divine downloads from God, right?
[00:56:51] And they're just right directly into his brain, you know?
[00:56:54] And that's how you kind of think about Paul,
[00:56:56] is that he just got downloaded.
[00:56:58] And yet you begin to realize,
[00:57:00] as you spend time in the Torah,
[00:57:02] as you spend time in the prophets, you're like,
[00:57:04] no, Paul was just really an incredible scholar.
[00:57:07] And he wasn't saying anything new, right?
[00:57:10] He wasn't saying anything new.
[00:57:12] He was simply saying, oh, by the way, guys, I'm a scholar,
[00:57:15] you know, and I happen to read this
[00:57:17] and I'm just going to paraphrase it for you
[00:57:19] or I'll just quote it verbatim for you.
[00:57:22] And so you begin to see this stuff all over the place.
[00:57:25] But when you don't know the first, you know,
[00:57:29] three-fourths of the Bible, then you don't pick up on it.
[00:57:33] You just think that Paul is getting all this incredible data
[00:57:36] directly from God.
[00:57:38] And what happens then is then Paul becomes,
[00:57:43] you know, he becomes lopsided.
[00:57:45] So now it seems like really anything that Paul says
[00:57:49] is of equal weight to what God says.
[00:57:52] You're like, well, wait a second.
[00:57:54] Isn't God God?
[00:57:56] I mean, it isn't Jesus God, but Paul is not okay.
[00:58:00] And for the record, before somebody throws a stone,
[00:58:03] I like Paul.
[00:58:04] I'm pro Paul.
[00:58:05] I think Paul is a great guy.
[00:58:07] And I believe everything Paul says,
[00:58:09] I believe everything Paul says, okay.
[00:58:11] But I do not believe that he had any shred of authority
[00:58:15] to change one iota of what God said.
[00:58:19] Nothing, okay.
[00:58:20] Nothing at all.
[00:58:21] And, you know, part of...
[00:58:24] Okay.
[00:58:26] He just flat out right there basically said
[00:58:30] that Paul's words were not the words of God,
[00:58:33] just the words of a scholar.
[00:58:34] And in another, I've watched many of these.
[00:58:37] He calls the New Testament commentary.
[00:58:39] Not the God-breathed, inspired, infallible word.
[00:58:44] Here's what Paul had to say.
[00:58:46] And notice he said too that Paul didn't have these revelations.
[00:58:51] Notice he said that, you know, the very words of God,
[00:58:55] that what Paul said has to be the very words of God.
[00:58:57] And that was not necessarily the intent of Paul or God.
[00:59:01] Do you see, this is Satan speaking through these guys
[00:59:04] to cast doubt on the inspiration of Scripture.
[00:59:07] God had Paul write half the New Testament.
[00:59:10] You throw him out.
[00:59:11] You got to throw out half the New Testament.
[00:59:14] You cast doubt on it.
[00:59:15] You're doing the same thing the serpent did in the Garden of Eden.
[00:59:20] Here's what Paul went on to say.
[00:59:22] He said, speaking of people who would try to take you back under the law of Moses,
[00:59:27] back under the Old Covenant, now that we're under the New,
[00:59:29] this is what Paul said.
[00:59:31] He said, which is not another, but there be some that trouble you
[00:59:34] and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
[00:59:36] But though we are an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you
[00:59:39] than that which we have preached, let him be accursed.
[00:59:41] As we said before, so say I now again,
[00:59:45] if any man preach any other gospel unto you,
[00:59:47] then that you have received, let him be accursed.
[00:59:49] For do I now persuade men or God, or do I seek to please men?
[00:59:52] For if I yet please men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
[00:59:55] Now listen to verses 11 and 12.
[00:59:57] But I certify to you, brother, that the gospel which was preached to me
[01:00:00] is not after man.
[01:00:02] For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it,
[01:00:05] but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
[01:00:09] Now Doug Hampt just said, Paul,
[01:00:13] we look at Paul like he got these downloads.
[01:00:15] No, he didn't.
[01:00:16] He was just a scholar making commentary.
[01:00:21] Paul also said this to people like Mr. Hampt,
[01:00:24] and Skeba, and the rest of them.
[01:00:27] If any man think himself to be prophet or spiritual,
[01:00:31] let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you
[01:00:34] are the commandments of the Lord.
[01:00:38] You know why they don't want to?
[01:00:42] Because they are not truly speaking for God,
[01:00:45] nor are they spiritually mature individuals.
[01:00:51] This is plain and simple.
[01:00:57] Now, this is the recent, just a few days ago,
[01:01:01] what was it on the 14th,
[01:01:03] where Rob steps out again and does his thing.
[01:01:07] I've seen a lot of hit pieces coming out lately,
[01:01:10] primarily coming from the likes of Nathan Roberts
[01:01:13] and Dean Odell and their antinomian tribe
[01:01:16] against myself and others who are trying to walk in the ways of Yahweh.
[01:01:20] There's much I'd like to say about them, but I won't.
[01:01:23] Well, he's already said it.
[01:01:25] We're antinomian, meaning we're lawless.
[01:01:28] We have the spirit of antichrist.
[01:01:30] I was called the lunatic pastor, right?
[01:01:34] And we're preaching a different Jesus,
[01:01:38] and we're worshiping idols.
[01:01:40] But, you know, I'm not the one that said we're not under
[01:01:42] the old covenant law.
[01:01:44] The apostle said this.
[01:01:46] They said here, Acts 15, 24,
[01:01:48] for as much as we have heard,
[01:01:50] that certain which went out from you
[01:01:52] have troubled you with words subverting your soul,
[01:01:54] saying you must be circumcised and keep the law,
[01:01:57] to whom we gave no such commandment.
[01:02:00] Hebrews 3 says, you know what?
[01:02:05] God spoke by Moses, and times passed,
[01:02:08] but now he speaks to his son.
[01:02:10] He said Moses had a house,
[01:02:12] and now Jesus has a house.
[01:02:14] Which house are you wanting to live in?
[01:02:16] I thank God for Moses and what he did,
[01:02:18] but God has moved.
[01:02:22] We have moved from an old covenant to a new covenant.
[01:02:25] We have moved from Moses' house to Jesus' house,
[01:02:29] and the apostles were clear on this.
[01:02:34] Not just Paul, but the entire council
[01:02:37] of the apostles and elders.
[01:02:39] We gave no such commandment to you
[01:02:42] that you have to go back and be circumcised
[01:02:44] and keep the law.
[01:02:46] And he's talking about old covenant law.
[01:02:50] He's talking about morality,
[01:02:52] the moral aspects that were passed over
[01:02:54] into the new covenant.
[01:02:59] And I think I've made that clear,
[01:03:01] but let's keep going here.
[01:03:04] Of course, here's what he means by what,
[01:03:06] you know, I want you to make sure you understand
[01:03:08] that these guys will say,
[01:03:10] oh no, it's not for salvation.
[01:03:12] But I want you to know, here's what he talks about.
[01:03:14] You're supposed to keep.
[01:03:15] What laws should we keep?
[01:03:17] Acknowledge all ten and so on and so forth.
[01:03:19] And he goes on through and he talks about
[01:03:22] keeping the Sabbath and the feast
[01:03:24] and the dietary laws and wearing
[01:03:26] the little zit-zit tassels and all that stuff.
[01:03:30] It's all there.
[01:03:31] And clearly from the New Testament,
[01:03:33] that's not required.
[01:03:36] But here's what he says.
[01:03:37] He'll start talking about
[01:03:40] what he sees basically we should do,
[01:03:42] keep the ten commandments, including the fourth,
[01:03:44] the pointed times, the feast,
[01:03:46] except for animal sacrifice.
[01:03:47] Somehow that changed, but not anything else.
[01:03:50] But that changed.
[01:03:51] Dietary laws.
[01:03:53] Now, he says here,
[01:03:54] who said anything about keeping the law?
[01:03:56] To keep salvation.
[01:03:57] I see it as fruits of salvation,
[01:03:59] not a root of it.
[01:04:00] However, John did state,
[01:04:04] and he's talking about 1 John chapter 2,
[01:04:07] John did state clear that those who are
[01:04:09] against obeying Yahweh are in fact liars
[01:04:11] and the truth is not in them,
[01:04:12] so I'd question their salvation
[01:04:13] to begin with in such a scenario.
[01:04:15] This is what you call double speak.
[01:04:19] Right here.
[01:04:23] Double speak.
[01:04:24] And then he says over here,
[01:04:25] how do we know we're saved?
[01:04:27] Obedience to Yahweh's law,
[01:04:29] the old covenant law,
[01:04:30] that's how we're saved.
[01:04:31] And then he says,
[01:04:32] what?
[01:04:33] Sadly, I'm seeing a ton of people,
[01:04:34] including a shocking number of pastors
[01:04:36] in the latter who claim to be Christians.
[01:04:38] It's kind of frightening, really.
[01:04:39] Oh, he's talking about me when he says that.
[01:04:41] So according to Skeba, I'm not saved.
[01:04:46] He questions my salvation.
[01:04:49] Just so you see it there.
[01:04:53] I'd question their salvation to begin with.
[01:04:55] Everybody see it?
[01:04:56] All right.
[01:04:58] Now, this is what I wanted to point out.
[01:05:03] Notice he says over here,
[01:05:05] somehow I don't think,
[01:05:08] I don't have to obey Yahweh
[01:05:10] because Jesus already did routine,
[01:05:12] is going to fly when you meet him.
[01:05:14] And then he's got down here his little post
[01:05:16] about should Christians still keep the Sabbath and the feast.
[01:05:18] See, to him that's what it's all about now.
[01:05:21] And basically if you don't,
[01:05:28] he says the beast is called the lawless one,
[01:05:30] the man of sin.
[01:05:31] Why is that such a big deal
[01:05:32] if the law has been allegedly been done away with?
[01:05:35] He plays these little straw man games,
[01:05:39] these little doubles people.
[01:05:41] He's not the only one.
[01:05:42] All these guys do it.
[01:05:43] The parable of the vineyard guys,
[01:05:45] the Christian truther guys,
[01:05:47] all these Torah people that I've been listening to
[01:05:50] that I've been hearing out there,
[01:05:52] they're either doing this or they're complicit
[01:05:56] because you know what?
[01:05:58] They built big followings of naive Christians,
[01:06:02] so they're not going to back off
[01:06:08] because every cult has to make you feel compelled
[01:06:13] to do it their way.
[01:06:16] And that's what this breaks down to.
[01:06:20] It's not freedom in Christ.
[01:06:22] It's you got to do this.
[01:06:26] It's not by faith.
[01:06:29] Now, I put this back up here
[01:06:33] because I want you to see it again
[01:06:35] just in case there's any mistake.
[01:06:37] When he said right here,
[01:06:40] every author of Scripture,
[01:06:41] yes, including Paul,
[01:06:42] says the same thing about Yahweh's instructions.
[01:06:45] No, not true.
[01:06:48] Moses talked about having to sacrifice animals
[01:06:50] for your sin.
[01:06:51] Does Paul say you have to sacrifice animals
[01:06:52] for your sin?
[01:06:54] No, so they don't say the same thing
[01:06:57] because we're under a different covenant.
[01:06:59] So in short, he said if your Jesus
[01:07:01] has taken you away from Yahweh
[01:07:03] and His commandments, His Sabbath,
[01:07:05] and the rest of His ways,
[01:07:06] then to be perfectly blunt,
[01:07:07] you are guilty of idolatry
[01:07:09] and worshiping a different God.
[01:07:10] And yes, I am repeating myself
[01:07:12] because it hadn't been sinking through.
[01:07:15] All right?
[01:07:17] This is heresy, people.
[01:07:21] This is exactly what the Apostles warned about.
[01:07:24] Paul called it a falling away.
[01:07:28] Now, if you don't believe that,
[01:07:31] let's look at this.
[01:07:32] This was the video where Rob Skiba joined
[01:07:35] with the parable of the vineyard
[01:07:36] and Christian truthers,
[01:07:37] these Torah hipsters.
[01:07:41] And right after I did the sermon
[01:07:44] that just exposed me
[01:07:45] the first time about all this.
[01:07:47] And this is the video they did in response.
[01:07:50] Now, what I want you to hear here,
[01:07:51] this is a clip where they start talking
[01:07:53] about the strong delusion
[01:07:55] in 2 Corinthians,
[01:07:57] I mean 2 Thessalonians chapter 2,
[01:07:58] where it says that God will send
[01:08:00] a strong delusion so that those
[01:08:03] who are following the Antichrist
[01:08:05] basically or the system,
[01:08:07] that they will believe a lie
[01:08:08] and they will all be damned.
[01:08:09] The question comes in to this little radio show,
[01:08:12] is not keeping Torah part of the strong delusion?
[01:08:16] And these Torah teachers,
[01:08:19] these hipsters say yes,
[01:08:22] the strong delusion is not keeping Torah
[01:08:24] and Rob says,
[01:08:25] I agree with everything you said.
[01:08:27] So let's look at, let's give a listen.
[01:08:31] Two weeks ago, I can't remember,
[01:08:34] but this is from,
[01:08:35] and by the way brothers and sisters,
[01:08:36] if you want to ask a question,
[01:08:38] now's the time,
[01:08:39] this is, do it in actually in all caps,
[01:08:42] this is like the one time
[01:08:43] that it's actually A-OK to type in all caps.
[01:08:46] That's so the moderators can see it a little easier.
[01:08:49] But this is from Cynthia McArthur,
[01:08:51] McArthur,
[01:08:52] question, could it be that rejecting Torah
[01:08:55] is the strong delusion that some will be given?
[01:08:57] Thank you, Justin.
[01:08:59] Yes, that's a great question.
[01:09:02] We actually did cover that
[01:09:03] in the last livestream last Friday night
[01:09:05] and I believe it was Second Thessalonians,
[01:09:09] I can't remember the chapter and verse
[01:09:11] off the top of my head,
[01:09:12] but actually we went through
[01:09:14] the actual context of that verse
[01:09:16] and it specifically is saying
[01:09:18] that the lawless one will come
[01:09:21] and that right after that,
[01:09:24] because people are basically hardheaded
[01:09:27] and persisting in sin,
[01:09:29] that the Lord is going to give them,
[01:09:31] basically give them a strong delusion
[01:09:34] and then the very next verse says,
[01:09:36] it basically spells out that that delusion
[01:09:39] is that they will continue in unrighteousness
[01:09:41] and so we dissected the word used there
[01:09:44] for continuing in unrighteousness
[01:09:46] and it was essentially just continue breaking the law.
[01:09:49] So we believe, I think Adam and I are in agreement,
[01:09:53] that the strong delusion is lawlessness,
[01:09:55] is the idea that,
[01:09:58] well, a combination of things,
[01:10:00] not just lawlessness in and of itself,
[01:10:02] that might be too oversimplified.
[01:10:03] We think it could come through in the form
[01:10:05] of a sort of a new age Christianity,
[01:10:09] a one world religion of some sort
[01:10:11] or some sort of antichrist agenda driven religion
[01:10:16] that everyone kind of falls for.
[01:10:18] That could be the vehicle that the lawlessness
[01:10:20] is used to deliver it to us with,
[01:10:24] but yeah, long story short,
[01:10:25] we believe that it is lawlessness of some kind.
[01:10:30] Yeah, I certainly agree with that.
[01:10:34] I have come to believe that the spinning heliocentric
[01:10:37] globular earth is a huge part of that
[01:10:41] and everything you said, I agree with
[01:10:43] and the context of that chapter is the antichrist,
[01:10:48] the beast, the lawless one.
[01:10:49] And on a side note, why is it such a big deal?
[01:10:53] If the law has been done away with
[01:10:55] and we don't need to worry about the law,
[01:10:56] then why should we be concerned with the lawless one?
[01:10:58] Everybody's lawless, right?
[01:10:59] We have no law.
[01:11:01] That's number one.
[01:11:03] So the context is the beast
[01:11:04] and we know in Revelation that the beast's number is 666.
[01:11:07] And the more I started investigating
[01:11:10] the whole flat earth stuff and looking into the globe.
[01:11:13] That's enough of that.
[01:11:14] So he says he certainly agrees with that.
[01:11:16] So let's read the verse that they're referring to.
[01:11:20] Here it is.
[01:11:21] Remember, they say other mouths, not a salvation issue.
[01:11:24] But then they say, if you're not, keep it Torah.
[01:11:26] It's part of the strong delusion.
[01:11:29] You're not doing the feast in the Sabbath
[01:11:31] and the zit-zits and the dietary law.
[01:11:33] It's lawlessness and you're part.
[01:11:35] So let's look at it.
[01:11:36] Because remember, when they mean lawlessness,
[01:11:37] they mean you're not keeping the Torah,
[01:11:38] the whole covenant.
[01:11:39] That's what they mean.
[01:11:41] He says then, this is 2 Thessalonians 2,
[01:11:44] 8 through 12, the strong delusion,
[01:11:46] then shall that wicked be revealed,
[01:11:50] speaking of the antichrist,
[01:11:51] whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth
[01:11:53] and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming,
[01:11:55] even Him whose coming is after the working of Satan
[01:11:57] with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[01:11:59] and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness
[01:12:01] in them that perish because they received
[01:12:03] not the love of the truth that they might be saved.
[01:12:06] What they'd put there is the Torah.
[01:12:10] And for this cause,
[01:12:11] God shall send them a strong delusion
[01:12:12] that they should believe a lie,
[01:12:13] that they all might be damned,
[01:12:15] who believed not the truth
[01:12:16] but had pleasure and unrighteousness.
[01:12:18] So the moment you say that not keeping Torah,
[01:12:21] the way these Torah teachers say,
[01:12:23] is that you're in the strong delusion,
[01:12:25] that that's part of it,
[01:12:26] that means you're damned.
[01:12:28] You understand that?
[01:12:29] That's what they're saying.
[01:12:30] So if you don't keep the feast,
[01:12:32] Sabbath, new moons,
[01:12:33] dietary laws of the old covenant,
[01:12:35] everything the Bible says,
[01:12:36] the new covenant says,
[01:12:37] we're free from,
[01:12:38] you are under the strong delusion,
[01:12:40] you will be damned,
[01:12:41] you are not saved.
[01:12:43] And Rob said,
[01:12:45] Rob Skeba,
[01:12:46] the great Rob Skeba said,
[01:12:48] I agree with everything you just said.
[01:12:50] I don't know how to be more blunt
[01:12:56] and more plain.
[01:13:00] If that's not enough,
[01:13:00] I'm going to give you one more.
[01:13:04] Rob's taken on the parable of the ten virgins.
[01:13:06] And those parable of the ten virgins,
[01:13:07] real plain.
[01:13:08] Ten virgins,
[01:13:09] five are wise, five are foolish,
[01:13:10] Jesus comes,
[01:13:11] five are,
[01:13:12] go with him,
[01:13:13] the rest are shut out.
[01:13:14] Now if you're shut out,
[01:13:15] where are you shut out to?
[01:13:16] I'm not a pre-trib rapture guy,
[01:13:17] so it's not about being shut out
[01:13:18] and have to go through his tribulation.
[01:13:20] I believe I'm a complete post-tribulation guy.
[01:13:23] I believe the rapture happens on the last day,
[01:13:25] right before Armageddon,
[01:13:27] the second coming of Jesus.
[01:13:29] But regardless,
[01:13:30] the five foolish virgins knock on the door and say,
[01:13:32] Lord, let us in.
[01:13:35] And he says,
[01:13:36] nope.
[01:13:37] So Rob says,
[01:13:40] here in this,
[01:13:41] he gets the question about the ten virgins,
[01:13:43] do you believe the five foolish virgins
[01:13:45] are those who are not awake to Torah?
[01:13:47] And he says,
[01:13:48] yes.
[01:13:49] Here we go.
[01:13:51] You can see it up here on the screen,
[01:13:53] but Gina asked,
[01:13:54] when you said that,
[01:13:55] and I think she's looking for clarification,
[01:13:57] could the five unwise be the one
[01:13:59] still blind in the church?
[01:14:01] Yes.
[01:14:02] Okay, they believe,
[01:14:03] but can't see the truth.
[01:14:05] Right.
[01:14:06] That's exactly.
[01:14:07] Thank you for summarizing my thought.
[01:14:09] Basically,
[01:14:10] you probably cut to the chase a lot quicker with that.
[01:14:12] But yeah,
[01:14:13] that brevity is never my strong point.
[01:14:15] So yeah,
[01:14:16] I do believe that the five foolish are the ones that are on Facebook right now,
[01:14:20] yelling at everybody and,
[01:14:21] you know,
[01:14:22] calling you legalistic and Judaizer and,
[01:14:24] you know,
[01:14:25] a heretic and everything else for having the audacity to desire to obey God.
[01:14:31] That's very much what I think is going on right here.
[01:14:33] I think the foolish are the ones that haven't got a hold of Torah,
[01:14:37] that don't understand it,
[01:14:38] that don't believe we should be having anything to do with it.
[01:14:40] They apparently have taken a Sharpie to most of their Bible,
[01:14:43] especially in the New Testament.
[01:14:45] First John two through five,
[01:14:47] they've completely ignored it for them.
[01:14:49] Galatians is the only book in the Bible.
[01:14:51] Everything else is secondary,
[01:14:52] and they don't understand the context of Galatians to begin with.
[01:14:55] They don't understand that Peter was writing to the Galatians when he said
[01:14:58] that foolish and unstable people have taken the words of Paul,
[01:15:01] twisted and distorted them and fallen into the era of lawlessness.
[01:15:05] So I would say that that's the five foolish and the five wise.
[01:15:10] I mean,
[01:15:11] just the way I came to this conclusion is I did a keyword search on
[01:15:14] different things like the word wise.
[01:15:16] And you'll consistently see that wise is associated with,
[01:15:20] go figure,
[01:15:21] obeying God.
[01:15:22] It is wise to obey God and to do what he says and to walk in his ways,
[01:15:26] follow his statutes and commandments,
[01:15:28] et cetera.
[01:15:29] Whereas foolish are those who disregard his ways,
[01:15:32] his laws,
[01:15:33] the statutes,
[01:15:34] et cetera.
[01:15:35] So I very much think that this is talking about the plurality of the bride
[01:15:40] in the sense that there are many parts to this body that we call the church
[01:15:45] and five are being very foolish and five are only now starting to become wise.
[01:15:50] You know,
[01:15:51] really since about 2009 there was of course some forerunners that came before.
[01:15:55] There's always been a remnant,
[01:15:56] I believe,
[01:15:57] but by and large that,
[01:15:59] that map that we that I showed you the beginning of this broadcast,
[01:16:02] it's on the front page of virtual house church.
[01:16:04] That map began to explode worldwide around 2009,
[01:16:09] 2010 timeframe,
[01:16:10] which is where I believe the Ephraim awakening began.
[01:16:13] It's what I call this.
[01:16:14] Some people call it the Hebrew Hebrew roots movement.
[01:16:16] I call it the Ephraim awakening because I believe that that's when Ephraim
[01:16:19] woke up in the pig pen.
[01:16:20] It's the parable of the prodigal son.
[01:16:22] And he said,
[01:16:23] what have I gotten myself into?
[01:16:25] I think I should return to my father.
[01:16:27] You know,
[01:16:28] and this is what we're seeing people all over the world returning to the
[01:16:30] father's ways.
[01:16:31] So very long answer,
[01:16:34] even more long winded if you go through the website.
[01:16:36] But yeah,
[01:16:37] that's my take on the issue of the of the brides.
[01:16:41] Well,
[01:16:43] you heard it for yourself by foolish.
[01:16:46] He says those are not awake to Torah.
[01:16:48] Then he even pulls in the story of the prodigal son that he returned to Torah,
[01:16:56] keeping Torah.
[01:16:58] That was folks.
[01:17:00] Have I made it clear to you that at least to these guys,
[01:17:06] it's a salvation issue.
[01:17:12] And they honestly don't believe in the correct biblical version of the
[01:17:17] Trinity,
[01:17:18] in the sense of Jesus being the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
[01:17:21] They don't simply don't understand it.
[01:17:24] And I think about why do they not understand it?
[01:17:27] You know,
[01:17:29] this has been puzzling me.
[01:17:30] And again,
[01:17:31] I want to say this as we close this morning.
[01:17:33] There's only two options to this stuff.
[01:17:35] They're ignorant and deceived,
[01:17:39] or they're doing it on purpose.
[01:17:41] Now,
[01:17:43] some of them I believe are doing it on purpose.
[01:17:45] I don't know exactly who that might be.
[01:17:48] Some are not.
[01:17:50] Some are just deceived.
[01:17:52] Some are just confused.
[01:17:53] This is not to try to hurt anybody.
[01:17:56] And I want to make that clear too.
[01:17:58] When a pastor or a five-fold minister has to correct false doctrine and
[01:18:07] expose false teaching and false teachers,
[01:18:09] it's not to destroy them.
[01:18:11] There's no desire in my heart to see any one of these people destroyed
[01:18:15] or judged or anything.
[01:18:18] The desire is to see them to finally wake up to the error that they're in
[01:18:25] and come out of it.
[01:18:28] That's the prayer.
[01:18:29] Because I don't care how much they try to say it didn't.
[01:18:33] Things changed under the New Covenant.
[01:18:35] There are things that changed.
[01:18:38] We're no longer under the Levitical priesthood.
[01:18:41] We no longer have to sacrifice animals for our sins.
[01:18:44] It's very clear.
[01:18:46] The apostles made it very clear we're not under the requirement
[01:18:50] to keep Sabbaths and feasts and new moons and dietary laws.
[01:18:54] All these things are clearly dealt with.
[01:18:58] But you have to begin to dismiss the New Testament.
[01:19:01] You have to begin to dismiss certain individuals like the Apostle Paul.
[01:19:08] And it really turns into,
[01:19:10] and this is what Paul said in Galatians 5.
[01:19:14] He said,
[01:19:17] Stand fast in the liberty,
[01:19:19] wherewith Christ has made us free
[01:19:21] and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[01:19:27] If you do, you have fallen from grace.
[01:19:31] You understand?
[01:19:32] If you do that, you've fallen from grace.
[01:19:35] And then he says,
[01:19:36] If you seek your righteousness,
[01:19:40] your right standing with God,
[01:19:42] by going back to these Old Covenant rituals and laws,
[01:19:50] he said,
[01:19:51] You've made Christ none effect in your life.
[01:19:58] This is why the deception has set in upon them.
[01:20:01] Because Jesus Christ is the truth.
[01:20:06] And if you are dead set on seeking your righteousness in the law
[01:20:11] and in what you do in trying to keep that Old Covenant law,
[01:20:15] then you're departing from trusting in what Jesus did on the cross
[01:20:19] for your righteousness.
[01:20:21] Not as a license to live immoral,
[01:20:24] but none of us has been proven.
[01:20:26] Even the Apostles, we see,
[01:20:29] even though they were trying to live righteous,
[01:20:31] said,
[01:20:32] You know what? I'm done with that.
[01:20:34] I love what Paul said in Philippians 3.
[01:20:37] He said,
[01:20:38] I'm no longer seeking my righteousness in the law,
[01:20:40] but the righteousness which is through faith in Jesus Christ.
[01:20:43] All that stuff that was before,
[01:20:45] being an expert in the law,
[01:20:47] being blameless in the law,
[01:20:48] being a Pharisee,
[01:20:49] being a scholar,
[01:20:50] he said,
[01:20:51] I count that all done.
[01:20:53] I'm not seeking my righteousness in that system,
[01:20:56] in that covenant anymore.
[01:20:58] I have a new covenant,
[01:20:59] a new relationship with Jesus Christ.
[01:21:01] He is my righteousness.
[01:21:05] What he did on the cross,
[01:21:08] the blood of God shed for me,
[01:21:11] that's the good news of the new covenant.
[01:21:14] The blood of God shed for my sins,
[01:21:19] not by works of righteousness which we have done,
[01:21:22] but by his mercy and by his grace,
[01:21:25] and while we were yet sinners,
[01:21:27] Christ died for the ungodly.
[01:21:29] We don't deserve it.
[01:21:30] We can't earn it.
[01:21:31] There's no righteousness that comes at all,
[01:21:34] not one jot or tenor of righteousness
[01:21:36] comes from you trying to wear tassels
[01:21:39] or keep a Sabbath or a new moon or a feast.
[01:21:42] It either comes from that
[01:21:44] or it comes straight from faith in Jesus Christ,
[01:21:47] trusting Him, clinging to Him.
[01:21:49] If you look up the word faith
[01:21:51] in the New Testament,
[01:21:52] in the Greek,
[01:21:53] it is the word pistis or pistio
[01:21:55] and it means to trust in Christ for salvation,
[01:21:59] to trust in Him,
[01:22:00] to cling to Him,
[01:22:02] to believe in Him.
[01:22:07] It has nothing to do with going back
[01:22:09] under Old Covenant rituals and rites
[01:22:12] and types and shadows
[01:22:14] and trying to keep them.
[01:22:16] Nothing.
[01:22:17] Can you, in the New Covenant,
[01:22:21] trust in Christ's righteousness
[01:22:23] and be a practicing adulterer?
[01:22:25] No!
[01:22:26] Paul made that clear in Galatians.
[01:22:28] He made it clear in Ephesians.
[01:22:30] He made it clear in 1 Corinthians.
[01:22:32] John made it clear in Revelation 21.
[01:22:34] No, you can't live in habitual sin
[01:22:36] that's under death,
[01:22:37] but it has nothing to do with tassels.
[01:22:39] It has nothing to do with what you eat
[01:22:42] or what you drink,
[01:22:45] unless you're getting drunk all the time, of course,
[01:22:47] because he says,
[01:22:48] drunkenness, you can't be a habitual drunkard
[01:22:50] in Herod the kingdom of God.
[01:22:52] The New Covenant has a standard.
[01:22:56] No one is denying that.
[01:22:58] So to call anybody like me an antinomian
[01:23:01] is another lie in deception.
[01:23:04] Because I don't believe you can just live
[01:23:06] any way you want under grace
[01:23:08] and under righteousness.
[01:23:10] But don't dare tell me,
[01:23:12] I got to go back to the Old Covenant law
[01:23:14] when I know what the New Covenant says about it.
[01:23:16] This is elementary.
[01:23:20] Listen, the apostles fought this
[01:23:24] and their disciples fought this.
[01:23:28] This was one of the main,
[01:23:29] do you know this was one of the main fights
[01:23:32] as the New Covenant began?
[01:23:37] Why?
[01:23:38] Because people, especially the Jews,
[01:23:40] were used to living under the old
[01:23:47] and they didn't want to turn loose
[01:23:49] and embrace the new.
[01:23:55] This is only like Doug Hamp said a minute.
[01:23:57] Paul didn't introduce anything new.
[01:23:59] I don't know, I guess there's nothing new
[01:24:01] about a New Covenant.
[01:24:05] I just, I sit and listen to this, y'all.
[01:24:08] And I go, are people hearing what they're saying?
[01:24:12] No, there's nothing new.
[01:24:15] What?
[01:24:17] Paul didn't, we say Paul got these downloads.
[01:24:20] But that's not what happened.
[01:24:23] He was just a scholar commenting.
[01:24:25] And yet Paul said no,
[01:24:26] what I got was from direct revelation from the Lord.
[01:24:29] All Paul's writings were intended to be scripture,
[01:24:32] the very words of God.
[01:24:34] Paul said if anybody's a prophet or spiritual,
[01:24:36] acknowledge that the things I write into you,
[01:24:38] the commandments of the Lord.
[01:24:42] If you diminish Jesus at all,
[01:24:44] if you diminish the authority of scripture
[01:24:47] through the apostles,
[01:24:50] the inspiration of scripture in the New Testament,
[01:24:52] you're a false teacher.
[01:24:56] You're no different than the Jehovah Witnesses
[01:24:58] or the Mormons or the extreme seventh-day Adventist
[01:25:02] or a Muslim or a Roman Catholic.
[01:25:08] You're no different because you're doing the same thing.
[01:25:14] You know when New Testament says,
[01:25:15] no idols, flee idolatry.
[01:25:17] Idolaters will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[01:25:19] We've got the entire Roman Catholic Church
[01:25:21] praying to Mary,
[01:25:22] bowing the statues of Mary and Peter.
[01:25:24] That's idolatry.
[01:25:28] I'm not an idolatry because I don't wear your tassels.
[01:25:33] Do you see?
[01:25:37] See, and this is another thing.
[01:25:38] When you get off into this,
[01:25:40] this rabbit trail of false teaching,
[01:25:44] what does it do?
[01:25:47] It's taking away from what you need to be teaching.
[01:25:54] It's robbing time.
[01:25:56] So, I hope, I hope we understand.
[01:26:02] Is Jesus God in the flesh?
[01:26:04] I know one thing,
[01:26:05] our Bible school students have gotten that
[01:26:08] because we've covered it thoroughly.
[01:26:10] Is the New Testament the inspired
[01:26:16] and infallible word of Almighty God
[01:26:18] just as the old was?
[01:26:20] Absolutely.
[01:26:22] Do we keep things in context
[01:26:29] determining what covenant we live in?
[01:26:31] I hope so.
[01:26:34] Because it's all coming.
[01:26:35] Let me tell you.
[01:26:36] I've heard some Torah people,
[01:26:38] and I didn't get into it today,
[01:26:39] but I've heard them start talking about
[01:26:41] that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross
[01:26:44] was really nothing.
[01:26:46] That what we're supposed to be doing
[01:26:47] is just following His ways
[01:26:49] because He followed Torah.
[01:26:50] We follow Torah.
[01:26:51] And they'll soon start sacrificing animals
[01:26:56] for their sin.
[01:27:01] Mark my words.
[01:27:02] What's that?
[01:27:06] Hallelujah.
[01:27:09] Let the Gospel, the New Covenant,
[01:27:12] New Testament, Gospel,
[01:27:16] the New Testament in your blood,
[01:27:18] let that be revealed.
[01:27:20] That is the way of forgiveness of sins,
[01:27:23] salvation, righteousness, intimacy with God.
[01:27:28] That's the way.
[01:27:29] And Lord, we thank You for it.
[01:27:32] And it's in Jesus' name we pray.