Flat Earth or Round Earth?
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[00:00:00] If not for God with Mike Zwick Hey this is Mike Zwick with If Not For God
[00:00:10] with Mike Zwick and I've got my friend Dean Odell here for the two people who haven't
[00:00:15] heard of Dean Odell out there.
[00:00:17] He is the guy who actually went to Greg Locke's church and debated him face to face and man
[00:00:27] I hate to say it and I'm being unbiased here but it wasn't even close.
[00:00:32] So as we get started off here I just want to say a prayer real quick and Lord I just
[00:00:39] want to come to you in prayer right now Lord I thank you Jesus that you are King of Kings
[00:00:44] and Lord of Lords and Lord we know that it says in your word that you shall know the
[00:00:48] truth and the truth shall set you free and today Lord we are just trying to share the
[00:00:55] truth and we are trying to open the hearts and the minds of God's people to change the
[00:01:00] world for Jesus Christ and we give you all the praise and all the glory in Jesus name
[00:01:06] Amen.
[00:01:07] Amen.
[00:01:08] All right so Dean you got a church word out of Auburn, Alabama or?
[00:01:14] Well we're you know Auburn the city of Auburn and the city of Opelika are twin cities
[00:01:18] they're right next to each other so we first started the church in Auburn but now we meet
[00:01:23] in Opelika but everybody's calls it the Auburn-Opelika area I mean you don't know when you leave
[00:01:29] one and go into the other type thing it's kind of like that.
[00:01:34] Gotcha man and so you grew up in that area is that right?
[00:01:37] I did I went to Opelika elementary schools junior high high school except for my last
[00:01:43] two years in high school I moved to Montgomery and went to Jeff Davis a big big high school
[00:01:49] there and then went to Troy State which is now Troy University down south of us
[00:01:55] that's where I went to start out with but as you can see yeah we're talking we were
[00:01:59] talking about beforehand yes I'm a big Auburn fan I grew up going to Auburn football games
[00:02:05] going all the way back to when Archie Manning was still playing and I was the kid oh yeah
[00:02:12] I got to see Archie Manning play and Eli Manning play so that was that was pretty cool yeah
[00:02:18] Wow man and I think I think they're saying Eli might be in the Hall of Fame someday so
[00:02:25] he's won two Super Bowls but yeah man that's it's pretty cool we went to Appalachian State
[00:02:31] so I know Troy we actually play you guys in football I think every year and Auburn basketball
[00:02:37] is having a good year and I think I'm telling you my team Appalachian State we actually
[00:02:41] beat you guys in basketball earlier this year and that was that was kind of exciting
[00:02:46] man but today we're not here to talk about football we're not here to talk about we're
[00:02:53] not here to even to talk about you or or anything else what we're here to talk about
[00:02:58] is the issue that has been on everyone's minds and hearts lately and people flip out
[00:03:05] over it what is the shape of the earth right and good well no I mean yeah I mean people
[00:03:15] flip out because they actually cannot believe there are people out there that do not believe
[00:03:20] the NASA government narrative that it's a sphere of 24,901 miles of circumference and
[00:03:28] and that there's evidence to prove that and of course once you get into the Bible side
[00:03:33] of it yeah there's the Bible does not teach a spherical spinning flying water ball through
[00:03:38] an endless vacuum of space it just that's not what the Bible teaches and so it causes
[00:03:44] quite a stir because of course we've all been indoctrinated with the Copernican heliocentric
[00:03:49] model and we've been shown stuff from government agencies pictures and images that we believe
[00:03:56] are true and people are finding out that they're not so true so it's it's a big thing yeah
[00:04:03] I mean and so you grew up I think you got saved in a very young age right well I got
[00:04:08] saved yeah when I was about 11 12 years old in that time about around 1979 somewhere in
[00:04:13] that time period in a little Baptist Church up the road and I was truly born again I
[00:04:17] mean I had a powerful experience with Jesus I understood that he you know I was a sinner
[00:04:21] and I needed his blood and his forgiveness and his atoning death and his resurrection
[00:04:29] and you know I remember going forward in that church and the power of God came on me I
[00:04:32] was in tears and I felt his presence his love his peace the job you know and but
[00:04:38] of course I was young and then you know right after that my parents divorced so we
[00:04:44] stopped going to church and then as I get I got into my teenage years and just hanging
[00:04:48] out with the wrong people I just kind of gradually got into all that it was very gradual but I
[00:04:53] got it all that you know started drinking and going to parties and then it's you know drugs
[00:04:58] and then you know it's just by the time I you know I was into 9th 10th grade I was
[00:05:05] you know just full-blown drinking all the time partying all the time doing drugs and
[00:05:10] same thing when I went to the Troy state which is Troy University I joined the Sigma
[00:05:15] Chi fraternity I was living in the fraternity house party nearly every night and so right
[00:05:20] between that time period like after my first year there that summer I was going to take
[00:05:25] some time off and go spend some time on my dad out in Oklahoma and then I just I ended
[00:05:30] up going over the state line and working in Arkansas this was in 87 and I was 19 and
[00:05:36] the Lord I started working for a guy who was a born-again Christian and he started talking
[00:05:40] to me about Jesus and one of the things he said was you can't be a drunkard and go to
[00:05:44] heaven and you know gave me that from Galatians chapter 5 and it kind of woke me up and God
[00:05:50] convicted me for about three weeks and you know that time I'd maul in contract and
[00:05:55] I had just done screen tests and I just had just had landed a part first die-hard movie
[00:05:59] is supposed to be in that and the Lord spoke to me though when as I was convicted for
[00:06:05] about three weeks by the Holy Spirit the Lord said these were first time I really
[00:06:08] heard God speak to me up in my heart and he said son you can have everything the
[00:06:12] world has to offer and go to hell or you surrender your life to me and live
[00:06:16] forever and I thought for a few minutes and I said Lord I'm gonna go with you
[00:06:22] either I'm going all the way or I'm not going all I will not be a hypocrite
[00:06:25] and so I gave him my life right there that was June of 1987 and he called me
[00:06:32] to the ministry shortly after that and that's what I've been doing ever since
[00:06:36] well and so I just don't let people know we're not here to attack anybody who
[00:06:41] disagrees with a certain belief we're simply here to present what the facts
[00:06:48] have cut up hand out and what you've seen yourself and so it's not like in
[00:06:53] 1987 all of a sudden when you said I'm gonna surrender my life to you the
[00:06:59] biblical biblical cosmology belief that you have right now it's not like you have
[00:07:04] that back in 1987 is that right no no I didn't I all through my years you know
[00:07:10] I've studied the Bible a lot I mean I spent many many many hours studying
[00:07:14] Hebrew and Greek the original language looking up the words and definitions and
[00:07:18] teaching and preaching the Bible from going to Africa to the island of
[00:07:23] Mauritius to the Middle East to prisons and stuff I've preached all over
[00:07:27] the place and but what would always bother me though when I would be reading
[00:07:32] the Bible because I believe the Bible is the inspired infallible Word of God so I
[00:07:36] I believe it to be true from Genesis to Revelation and so when I would read
[00:07:40] stuff like Joshua 10 when he commanded the Sun and the moon to stand still I
[00:07:44] would just have this pause and be like I would say to you the Lord I don't
[00:07:49] understand this I don't understand this this doesn't make sense and of
[00:07:54] course because you know from being a child you're ingrained with it's a the
[00:07:58] earth is spinning and that's what causes all this and it's not the Sun moving in a
[00:08:03] circuit over the earth and so you're like well did Joshua not know what he
[00:08:07] was talking about or did God make the earth stop spinning I mean what happened
[00:08:11] so that used to always trouble me but I didn't ever really have my eyes open
[00:08:15] fully to the true nature of creation and the true shape of the earth until 2015
[00:08:21] that was when it happened for me and a good friend of mine who I was kind of
[00:08:27] discipling and mentoring he lived out in California and he was always asking me
[00:08:31] questions about stuff and so he sent me a video with a question he said does
[00:08:36] firm earth ring a bell now I had no idea what he was asking it was the one
[00:08:41] of the weirdest questions I've ever been asked but he said this video with
[00:08:45] it so I was like I gotta answer I gotta watch this you know it's about a 25
[00:08:49] minute video I gotta watch this video because I didn't know what Sam's asking
[00:08:52] but because he was a young believer and I was kind of trying to disciple him I
[00:08:56] thought well I've got to answer his question and so I got to figure out what
[00:08:59] he's asking so I turned this video on and what had happened though about two
[00:09:03] months before this is the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said I have something
[00:09:06] else to show you and it's big and I'm I was just kind of waiting on you know I
[00:09:12] couldn't imagine what it was because I'm already controversial preacher that
[00:09:15] talks about stuff that most of the preachers don't so when I looked watch
[00:09:20] this video started out with a bunch of NASA fakery which I already didn't trust
[00:09:23] NASA and I already didn't believe in the moon landing so that wasn't a stretch
[00:09:27] for me but I begin to realize you know what they really have been lying to us
[00:09:31] about everything about the ISS about the moon landings about all these kind
[00:09:35] of stuff and I'm watching this and I knew it was like instinctively I knew
[00:09:40] from the Holy Spirit where it was going and then it started showing the
[00:09:43] long-distance photography giving the measurements the eight inches per mile
[00:09:48] squared where we shouldn't see things at distances we see things then it showed
[00:09:51] how to to balloon footage and it completely 120,000 feet completely flat
[00:09:56] horizons 360 degrees around I started seeing that and then of course they
[00:10:01] showed the Chicago the famous Chicago shot from the beach in Lake Michigan
[00:10:07] there 60 miles seeing the Chicago skyline it should never be possible and
[00:10:13] so I started that's when I realized wow then the second half of the videos get
[00:10:19] started getting into the scriptures of the true nature of creation so here I
[00:10:22] am like pulling the Bible out pulling out the lexicon starting to relook at
[00:10:26] everything and I'm like wow not only is there a solid evidence for this
[00:10:32] like you can it's exactly what the Bible teaches and it finally a lot of
[00:10:38] things that I had questions about in the scriptures or didn't make sense to me
[00:10:41] finally made sense like it all came together and I was like it was almost it
[00:10:46] was it was so powerful that that time in 2015 that it was almost like it
[00:10:51] saved all over again it was just I like it an awakening for me it was kind
[00:10:56] of the last big deception that was still on me that I didn't realize was on
[00:11:01] me and once that lifted off and I just accepted the scriptures and like if
[00:11:05] somebody would have came to me and said Pastor Dean you don't believe the whole
[00:11:09] Bible is the word I would have laughed I would have said no way I believed the
[00:11:12] whole thing from cover to cover but I realized that I had believed man in an
[00:11:18] area believing NASA and science science theories about creation some of them
[00:11:26] instead of just believing what God's Word said as a Christian and as a
[00:11:30] Christian we should just believe what God's Word says that you know that
[00:11:33] that scripture in Romans let God be true and every man a liar and I realized I
[00:11:38] had us I had to repent I asked God to forgive me for trusting man over his
[00:11:45] word and man and and take treatment it's been a wonderful whirlwind ride
[00:11:52] since then about what God has done and I've never seen more atheists come to
[00:11:57] Jesus than I have in the last eight years it's just unreal what has happened the
[00:12:03] people that have gotten saved well and what you just said maybe the start of
[00:12:07] the answer to the question but there's two big objections that I get to this
[00:12:12] and the first one is and this is what I get from a lot of Christians what does
[00:12:16] it matter what does it matter all right and then just for some for those people
[00:12:21] that I mean we may not have even said this a minute ago but what we're
[00:12:24] talking about here is it's also it's called Hebrew cosmology biblical cosmology
[00:12:29] or aka flat earth but you know flat earth is only part of it it's there's the
[00:12:38] firmament what it really is and where heaven is and where what the stars are
[00:12:42] really are what the Sun moon and where the Sun and Moon are and all that it's
[00:12:46] about the nature of creation overall but yes the shape of the earth being
[00:12:50] flat yes with contours but flat and and measurably flat actually so yeah a lot of
[00:12:56] people when you get into this and start talking about it one of the first knee
[00:12:59] jerk reactions of Christians is what does it matter well again all truths
[00:13:04] should matter to us we should not accept any lies or deception from Satan
[00:13:09] anything that that strays from the scriptures we should we should realize
[00:13:15] and to whenever the devil's doing something like that there's always a
[00:13:17] purpose he's not he doesn't come up with a lie for no reason and the lie is
[00:13:22] always to lead people astray if you look at atheists in the world most atheists
[00:13:28] and agnostics will tell you that the reason they don't believe the Bible is
[00:13:31] because they cannot believe Genesis one because they believe the science
[00:13:35] version the heliocentric model and the Big Bang theory they take science's
[00:13:41] word for it and and so they say well then then the Bible can't be true so
[00:13:46] they don't trust the Bible and so Satan has used this to turn many people away
[00:13:51] from Jesus what I what I tell people is let's say you're already a born again
[00:13:54] Christian you love Jesus you're walking with Jesus and you go what does it
[00:13:58] matter well it may not matter to you that's fine if it doesn't matter to you
[00:14:01] but it is a tool and what we call in a in the area of apologetics where you're
[00:14:07] to give an answer to every man and the reason the hope is in you first Peter
[00:14:10] 315 that word answer means a defense apologia which it means to give a
[00:14:16] defense so when someone's deceived in an area we are supposed to give an answer
[00:14:21] or defense is why the Bible is true what they're believing is wrong whether it be
[00:14:24] abortion or evolution and now again what we're seeing is the whole heliocentric
[00:14:29] model is a satanic light is a satanic deception so some people need to hear
[00:14:35] that to get saved and like I told you earlier I just one example I got a whole
[00:14:39] chapter of testimonies but one example is Paul our friend Paul from Sweden
[00:14:46] he grew up an atheist his parents were atheist he went to school with atheists I
[00:14:50] mean he became a mechanical engineer smart guy brilliant guy and he just he
[00:14:58] finally he saw he started seeing the truth of his God was really money and
[00:15:01] he started seeing the truth about you know how money is manipulated and who
[00:15:06] really controls it and that whole nine yards so he he started looking into
[00:15:10] some stuff and he was getting real disappointed because he found out the
[00:15:12] world didn't work the way he thought it did and then he came across flat earth
[00:15:16] stuff and he laughed but he said he just had this voice in him and said hey you've
[00:15:21] looked at some of these other conspiracies that are true why don't you
[00:15:25] look at this so he he looked at it first from the secular or just the
[00:15:29] evidence side of it the long-distance photography the high altitude balloon
[00:15:33] footage and you know laser test and when he saw that that evidence that the
[00:15:38] earth was truly flat he was like oh my goodness you know we've been lied to
[00:15:43] about almost everything and then he said I really didn't want to hear from
[00:15:47] preachers he said but I came across and I can't remember he came across me first
[00:15:50] or somebody else but he said once I saw that this was in the Bible all along
[00:15:55] he said the Holy Spirit just hit him and he knew that the Bible is true and
[00:16:00] if the Bible is true then Jesus was real and Jesus was the way to be saved
[00:16:05] from sin and he he gave his life to the Lord was powerfully born again and then
[00:16:11] he contacts me from Sweden and says I can't find a church here it believes the
[00:16:15] Bible in Sweden he said I'm gonna fly to Atlanta and drive over to your church
[00:16:21] here in Opelika and I want you to baptize me in water so he came and he's
[00:16:25] he's actually visited several times yeah he's six foot seven too he almost
[00:16:29] didn't fit in our Baptist baptism but that's just one story of many I could
[00:16:36] read from chapter 6 my book atheist after atheist agnostic ancient alien
[00:16:43] believers people believe the aliens are really our gods and stuff they have once
[00:16:48] they once they saw the Bible was true and that you could look at true
[00:16:52] evidence and see that that what the Bible says about creation is true and
[00:16:58] what science says is not true so many people even scientists I've been
[00:17:02] contacted by scientists I have P I have a PhD in physics it's a physics professor
[00:17:07] and a local university that goes to our churches and she is fully on board and
[00:17:13] she and she actually figured it out before she ever heard about me or heard
[00:17:16] anything about it she figured it out through physics herself that yeah and
[00:17:22] so she goes I can't believe I found a church that actually knows the truth
[00:17:25] about this yeah and you had actually brought up another point as well Dean
[00:17:30] that somebody had asked me we were driving up to Pennsylvania and he says
[00:17:35] why he says why would they make all of this up why would they lie about it I
[00:17:41] mean what would you how would you answer that it's very simple all of
[00:17:44] Satan's lies are designed to turn us away from scripture from believing the
[00:17:50] Bible to be true from finding Jesus and following Jesus or even to keep us
[00:17:55] from things that we need like the baptism the Holy Spirit the power of the
[00:18:00] Holy Spirit Satan always designs and he will design elaborate lies to turn us
[00:18:05] away from those things and so like I said more people have been turned away
[00:18:10] from believing the Bible once they went to college and started hearing the
[00:18:14] professor say oh no no no the Genesis one can't be true because we know we
[00:18:19] know there was a big bang 13 billion years ago and blah blah blah blah blah
[00:18:23] we can see the cosmic background radiation and you know and so a lot of
[00:18:27] a lot of young people start believing that I actually haven't that I've looked
[00:18:33] up article after article where it talks about how many young people leave their
[00:18:38] Christian faith that they grew up with once they go to college even some have
[00:18:43] been so distressed over the conflict that they've committed suicide and so
[00:18:49] it is a serious matter you know their faith has been shaken and as ministers
[00:18:55] and as you know us older Christians we're supposed to be there with the
[00:18:59] answers to these questions and sadly you know sadly in the church adopted the
[00:19:07] world the secular view of creation in a lot of areas instead of just saying no
[00:19:11] this is what God's Word says and and we're going to stand with that what's
[00:19:17] beautiful though about this is like I said we've gone to Mobile Bay and I
[00:19:21] live about four hours from the coast and we drive down to Mobile Bay and do we
[00:19:26] take Nikon p900s and p1000s which are the strongest zoom cameras you can buy
[00:19:32] we've taken telescopes and lasers level 5 lasers we've done tests across Mobile
[00:19:38] Bay and for instance I'll tell you one of them like we if you we go to Fair
[00:19:42] Hope Alabama and that's on the east side of the bay there's a little beach
[00:19:46] they're called North Beach Park so if you look due west from there you've got the
[00:19:52] state docks there Alabama state docks and they have these big blue spools that
[00:19:58] have the cables for the cranes on them and they sit on the dock now according
[00:20:03] to Google Earth depending on where the tide is whatever but the dock say is
[00:20:07] about 10 feet off the water these spools some of them are 12 feet diameter
[00:20:12] some go up to 16 feet diameter yeah so if you add those two numbers together
[00:20:17] you get a maximum of 26 feet high right okay so it's exactly 11 miles from the
[00:20:25] beach on Fair Hope to the state docks and I have all this video and I have
[00:20:28] pictures of it you know we have I can show everybody this stuff but I zoomed in
[00:20:34] and I've got my showing where I'm standing and zooming in across the bay
[00:20:38] okay and I can see the blue spool sitting on the docks at 11 miles well what
[00:20:43] most people don't understand is I shouldn't be able to see that if not
[00:20:46] overall it's a sphere because the the the average calculation that everybody
[00:20:52] accepts and this is direct from my PhD physics friends and then and I have
[00:20:58] AutoCAD operators and engineers that have gone with me to do these things and
[00:21:02] geometry teachers have been with us but the math is eight inches per mile
[00:21:07] squared so if the earth is a sphere twenty four thousand nine hundred one
[00:21:11] miles it's curving away from us in every direction it's supposed to curve away at
[00:21:16] eight inches per mile so not eight inches per mile eight inches per mile
[00:21:20] squared so for instance ten miles the amount of curvature bulge that should be
[00:21:26] blocking our view the height of it should be sixty six point six feet
[00:21:30] which is almost a seven-story building so so what we're looking at at the
[00:21:35] state docks from Fairhope Alabama is 11 miles so we're past the 10-mile mark so
[00:21:41] meaning I shouldn't see anything but what is seven stories or higher I should see
[00:21:47] the top of that when I'm seeing the dock there and seeing the blue spool
[00:21:53] sitting on the dock which you can confirm by Google Earth you can take
[00:21:56] Google Earth zoom in and see the blue spool sitting there when you could see
[00:22:01] that you're not supposed to be able to do that and people have done these
[00:22:04] tests all over the world at different distances for instance one guy did he
[00:22:10] did a seven-mile test across a frozen lake and put lights different color
[00:22:15] lights at different distances and the furthest one he had a red light there
[00:22:19] and he had his camera sitting one foot off the ice and he could see all each
[00:22:26] one of those lights on the same plane and according to the math at eight
[00:22:33] inches per mile squared the that furthest one the seven mile one should
[00:22:37] been about 30 feet below his vision or his ability to see it and and to you
[00:22:44] know what they'll try to do is claim refraction and the refraction indexes
[00:22:48] are not that great refraction only comes into play when you change mediums when
[00:22:53] you go from air to water there's a giant refraction that happens there but
[00:23:00] when the air temperature when the surface temperature is lower than the air
[00:23:04] temperature all the distortion is done away with that's what we make sure we
[00:23:08] take temperature gauges to the water the air we go but then they'll say what's
[00:23:13] the superior Mirage well the problem is whenever you see a superior Mirage it's
[00:23:17] usually a warmer weather you're getting the heat you know displacement of
[00:23:21] things and a superior Mirage is always inverted on top of itself so you'll
[00:23:25] have an object here and you'll have it be upside down like this so they come
[00:23:31] up with all these excuses for these things but you know I've I've done too
[00:23:36] many tests like we we shot from if you if you point north northwest from
[00:23:42] Fairhope Alabama at the beach and shoot toward Mobile downtown Mobile there's
[00:23:47] the government plaza building there and I again I have all this documented
[00:23:51] and that's 13.6 miles away so it should be around 80 feet of earth curvature
[00:23:58] balls now that's a 12-story building so meaning we should only see the top four
[00:24:03] floors maybe even the top three right that's that's the most we should see
[00:24:07] of that building I can see when do I zoom in with the high zoom camera I can
[00:24:12] see the second floor window and the only reason I can't see the first floor
[00:24:16] is because there's an on ramp to get on I can right there but I can see the
[00:24:20] on-ramp and the cars getting on the on-ramp now you shouldn't be able to see
[00:24:24] any of that at all so what I'm saying these are things the Bible says in first
[00:24:29] Thessalonians 5 to prove all things and hold fast that which is good that word
[00:24:33] prove means to test so this is something that you can test and this is why
[00:24:37] atheists are coming to Jesus listen atheists are coming to Jesus because we
[00:24:41] found a new creative fairy tale myth that's got them to believe and we
[00:24:46] sprinkled magic little fairy dust on them and all of a sudden they like
[00:24:49] throw away their unbelief no it's when they see hard evidence like that and they
[00:24:55] go wow you know they're I'm seeing it you know and then we found you know like
[00:25:02] the I've had friends of mine we didn't do one personally but a friend of mine
[00:25:05] and others have done these high-altitude balloon tests with
[00:25:09] cameras that do not have the fisheye lens on them you know like the GoPro
[00:25:14] cameras most of those you have to actually have to get cameras that have
[00:25:17] normal lenses send them up hundred ten hundred fifteen hundred twenty thousand
[00:25:22] feet you know you get a picture from NASA like from the YouTube spy plane or
[00:25:27] the SR-71 flying at sixty thousand feet or one of them I think that the spy
[00:25:34] plane flies at 70,000 the SR-71 was at 89,000 and they'll show the this
[00:25:39] massive earth curvature picture but yet amateurs send up balloons to 120,000
[00:25:46] feet and there's no curve there and they and the camera will do a 360 degree so
[00:25:51] a lot of the so-called curve we see presented in pictures and videos is
[00:25:56] produced by these fisheye lenses which they've had since the 60s they've been
[00:26:01] using these things since the 60s and they've just gotten smaller that's all
[00:26:07] there is to them now but I've got stuff where NASA was using the fisheye lenses
[00:26:12] in 69 when when they did the moon landing yeah yeah you know you would
[00:26:20] actually said I think it was when you did the debate with Greg Locke who
[00:26:27] leaves that the moon landing is fake right mm-hmm so it seems like he's right
[00:26:31] there yeah I had hope that he would he would see you know we talked behind the
[00:26:37] scenes and I tried to really what I was trying to do with him he just went
[00:26:41] off on his congregation like just just attacked anybody that believed it's
[00:26:45] basically you're an idiot get out of my church if you if you want to believe
[00:26:48] this you know or shut up or whatever I mean he was harsh and I and I text him I
[00:26:53] said look you should have talked to me first because we had become acquaintances
[00:26:57] before this happened and I and he knew where I stood I had never pushed it on
[00:27:00] him and I told him I said you should have talked to me first because you
[00:27:04] didn't have to come at these people like this I said at least you could
[00:27:07] have known understood where they're coming from and then he got a little
[00:27:11] haughty with me and a little back-and-forth and I was like look I'm
[00:27:13] just having trying to have a civil private conversation with you about this
[00:27:18] and I said and then and then he got a little more irritated with me and just
[00:27:24] snotty I've called it and I just said look you know you don't want to go back
[00:27:27] and forth with me about this because you know I would destroy you in a debate
[00:27:31] you have no scripture for your belief system and I have tons of it and the
[00:27:36] next thing I know he doesn't ever say we're going to do a public debate he
[00:27:39] didn't ask me he didn't do anything that was on Monday on Wednesday he
[00:27:43] announces it without telling me and I was like okay it's all man and I warned him
[00:27:50] I said I've been studying research in this for you know eight years I said
[00:27:56] you're not going to be able to you're not going to be able to refute it
[00:28:00] looking at it for a month and he couldn't it was it was I was actually
[00:28:05] embarrassed for him because he had nothing yeah I mean
[00:28:10] to be and here's the here's the story in case people don't know this debate was at
[00:28:15] his church in Mount Juliet Tennessee so his church was filled up and when you
[00:28:24] were speaking and you gave your point people were cheering and clapping and
[00:28:29] from what Tim Greer modified said he said when Greg Locke would get up to
[00:28:33] make a point his wife was standing up and clapping about it he got real
[00:28:38] frustrated when you know if you have to ask for applause you're not getting it
[00:28:42] and he got up and actually said you know y'all are clapping for me and so but
[00:28:48] let's see I brought I really brought a probably a four-hour PowerPoint
[00:28:54] presentation with all the scriptures all the Hebrew and Greek words all my
[00:28:59] evidence video I even played the video about the nine or ten minute video that
[00:29:06] came from NASA where Bart Sabrel who had asked for he was doing he told NASA I
[00:29:12] said I'm doing a documentary moon landing we send me some footage and so some
[00:29:17] either a whistleblower or an idiot sent him about ten minutes of the Apollo 11
[00:29:24] crew clearly in a capsule by balloon in the ether looking down on earth out of a
[00:29:31] porthole turning the lights off and faking the shot of the earth at a
[00:29:34] distance insane they were halfway to the moon and they were still only in low
[00:29:38] earth orbit I mean that is the smoking gun they are they are completely and
[00:29:42] totally busted he put it in his documentary a funny thing happened on the
[00:29:46] way to the moon anybody hadn't seen that you need to watch it and I played
[00:29:50] it I said this is it there's no way this this moon landing happened and you just
[00:29:56] go through some of the basic stuff but you know it didn't happen so I mean I
[00:30:00] laid it out I laid out all the scriptures about the earth being
[00:30:03] spilled and it rest and immovable I laid out I explained what the firmament
[00:30:08] really is what the Bible teaches it is not what men say it is I gave all the
[00:30:13] scriptures to show the actual shape of the earth that actually says it's like
[00:30:17] clay pressed down under a signet rain or seal rain there's actually a scripture
[00:30:23] that you have to look up the original three chords but the scripture in
[00:30:27] Revelation 29 where he says I mean he's talking about after you know the
[00:30:31] millennial reign and Satan is loosed again and he goes and deceives the
[00:30:35] nations one more time it says that they went up on the breath of the earth
[00:30:39] well I was reading that one day and I was like so why did they say breath of
[00:30:44] the earth because it's could have just said earth why did he use this word breath
[00:30:48] and so I looked it up well in the Greek it's the word plateaus and I was like
[00:30:53] plateaus that's where we get our word plateau from meaning a flat right so then
[00:30:59] I looked it up and the words actually if you go down plateaus you go down to
[00:31:03] the root words of it all it means spread out flat well a lot of people say
[00:31:07] well that's just a flat area on the earth no because the word earth there
[00:31:11] there's several that there's different words for earth and that word they're
[00:31:13] gay or gay or whatever you want to pronounce it means the whole or entire
[00:31:19] so it's it's pretty clear that it could be translated they went up on the flat
[00:31:25] earth of course and then there's there's job 3814 and many of the
[00:31:30] scriptures in Isaiah that where God says he spread out the earth is the
[00:31:34] word rocka which means to be out flat to flatten or to press down but that
[00:31:42] job 3814 says that the earth takes shape like clay under the seal and the
[00:31:48] word seal there means a signet ring like a king would have to put to press a
[00:31:53] piece of wax or a piece of clay flat and so you get you know there's no
[00:31:59] ambiguity about it God even said in Isaiah 40 22 when he said you know that
[00:32:05] he sits upon the circle of earth a lot of people say see that means it's a
[00:32:08] sphere no the the scriptures the Hebrew scriptures have two different words one
[00:32:13] is coughe which is a circle and the other is der which means a ball okay so
[00:32:20] the word der or ball is never used to describe yours only a circle and then it
[00:32:25] says that the earth he says in the same verse Isaiah 40 22 he says God sits
[00:32:30] upon the circle of the earth which that's the dome the firmament and he
[00:32:34] says it's like a tent for men to dwell it then he says in Psalm 19 that he made
[00:32:39] a tabernacle or a tent saying word oh hell which is the word in Hebrew for
[00:32:43] tent so he's telling us the world that he made the earth that he made looks like a
[00:32:47] tent it's like a piece of clay or wax pressed down black I mean so we don't
[00:32:55] have to guess at the shape of the earth never ever inscription is the
[00:33:00] earth and I'm talking about the original Hebrew and Greek is it ever referred to
[00:33:04] as a sphere or as it's spherical there are translations they decided to put
[00:33:10] their own bias in there but if you go back to the original word and look at its
[00:33:14] definition never does it say it's spirit but it does say it's like a tent
[00:33:18] now now I don't know about you but I've never seen the tent that was a ball
[00:33:22] that you're rolling around in it always has you got a flat floor and usually
[00:33:27] some type of dome surface coming over the top of it right that's that's it
[00:33:31] that's a tent so if we go by the description that God gave us we knew we
[00:33:37] do not get a spinning flying you know spherical water ball we just don't get
[00:33:43] that yeah you know another verse that I saw and I'm actually reading your book
[00:33:48] right now what is the name of the book like clay under the sea and yeah
[00:33:57] here it is like clay like clay under the seal because it's that that title is
[00:34:02] based on the joke 3814 and the other scriptures and Isaiah about it being
[00:34:06] pressed down like under a seal but yeah and listen folks that want to get it I'm
[00:34:13] gonna tell you right now Amazon's been blocking people from getting it and
[00:34:16] they'll say it's out of stock but we have it set up print on demand from our
[00:34:20] publisher so they should never be out of stock so that's a lie so people
[00:34:25] either have to go to bookbaby.com or they have to go to us to get it most of
[00:34:28] time now some people have gotten managed to get it from Amazon like it two months
[00:34:32] or something but it's ridiculous but but yeah that 479 pages and I go through in
[00:34:39] detail the scriptures on all of this all the definitions and I go through
[00:34:43] the proof things that we've done tests we've done and you know I mean just like
[00:34:49] I present something you know one of my good friends now came to one of our
[00:34:54] tests across Mobile Bay he's a former lieutenant colonel in the army's
[00:34:58] retired now he taught at West Point speaks fluent Russian what is the
[00:35:04] attish to Uzbekistan at one point commanded the European theater and the
[00:35:09] Asian theater I mean this is a top-notch guy used to go into countries
[00:35:14] with our special forces because he could speak Russian and stuff so this is a
[00:35:20] stand-up guy right good friend of mine but he he came to me he said you know
[00:35:24] what you're preaching what you're talking about true he said he said we
[00:35:28] have radar systems he was telling me about his ice war radar system that he
[00:35:32] used in Europe he said it's eight feet tall we can put it on a flat ground and
[00:35:37] it can pick up a Russian MiG flying 50 feet off the ground over 50 miles away
[00:35:42] he goes that's when I knew something something's not right here and and then
[00:35:47] of course I've interviewed a Navy missile instructor who used to teach
[00:35:50] train our guys how to fire the Sparrow missile and his name was showing and he
[00:35:55] he told me he said we have optics in the Navy that we can put we can put I
[00:36:00] can see a ship enemy ship 60 miles away and then he said on his ship they had a
[00:36:07] laser weapon and lasers direct line-of-sight weapon he said this
[00:36:11] laser weapon can is and and this is maybe you can look this up look up
[00:36:15] Navy laser weapon and they will say in the article from the Defense News or
[00:36:20] whatever it is they will say that they can shoot down a Russian or Chinese
[00:36:26] cruise missile over a hundred miles away now cruise missiles fly about 50 to
[00:36:32] 60 feet off the water because they got to hit a ship they're trying to fly
[00:36:35] under radar and they're trying to hit ships that are maybe 80 feet hundred
[00:36:38] feet high off out of the water so they fly at about 50 feet now if you can
[00:36:45] shoot something down with a laser over a hundred miles away and it's flying 50
[00:36:52] feet off the ground right let me explain to you at a hundred miles eight inches
[00:36:56] per mile squared comes out to six thousand six hundred and sixty six feet
[00:37:01] that is almost a mile and a half that's either way so there's no laser
[00:37:07] shooting from a ship doing this to hit a missile flying at Mach 45 not happening
[00:37:13] and so there's so much evidence out there and of course don't even get me
[00:37:18] started on the declassified FOIA documents that I have dug up out of the
[00:37:25] CIA reading room the National Reconnaissance Office I have stuff from
[00:37:29] the Army Research Laboratory so we have NASA documents that were classified that
[00:37:35] admit that for instance they admit that mock aircraft flyover quote a non-rotating
[00:37:40] flat earth that's NASA's words not mine I've got a document from 1961 where two
[00:37:46] NASA scientists were programming their first computers to track a missile in
[00:37:52] space using and they programmed the computers to track the missile in space
[00:37:57] using a flat non-rotating earth equation I got this over and over again I
[00:38:03] could do I've done two sermons just on the documents both are two hours long
[00:38:07] and I and I didn't share all of them so it sounds to me like the elites know what's
[00:38:14] going on yes and they have to operate things in the world the way it really
[00:38:19] is and so that's why these things were classified until people started making
[00:38:23] these freedom of information act requests and see I believe is you say well why
[00:38:28] would they why would they allow the freedom of information act and why
[00:38:31] would that why would they even let this information out there well I think you
[00:38:37] know Jesus made this statement and I think most of the rulers of the world are
[00:38:41] satanic and follow Satan they follow the devil well he's under a rule that Jesus
[00:38:46] said that that everything done in secret will be shouted from the roof tops
[00:38:51] everything spoken in secret everything done in secret so we're nearing the
[00:38:55] end of the age that nearing the second coming of Jesus we're in the end times
[00:38:58] I believe no doubt so that means everything's got to be uncovered anything
[00:39:02] that's secret so they were I believe God made them do the freedom of information
[00:39:06] act this is the rule you have to operate under and they did it these were
[00:39:11] documents like like from NASA and some of these other the Army's research
[00:39:15] laboratory and some of these things that when they were classified if you
[00:39:20] revealed anything in them you were tried for treason and put in prison okay
[00:39:27] so I mean then they have these threats on the document that you know punishable by
[00:39:34] you know prison or death right and so why would why would it be secret to say
[00:39:42] that we base all of our derivation and definition of linear aircraft model of
[00:39:48] rigid aircraft flying over a non rotating flight earth why would that be
[00:39:52] in there here's another one well there's one there's a document about
[00:39:56] called the damaged asymmetrical aircraft right and I have all this stuff I mean I
[00:40:01] have all the PDFs and the screenshots and I can still find a lot of them when
[00:40:05] I went public on some of them disappeared and some of the websites
[00:40:08] disappeared but I still have the screenshots in the PDFs but this one
[00:40:12] about damaged asymmetrical aircraft in section one it says that in studying
[00:40:18] this and observing this and determining you know how things are going to go
[00:40:22] when an aircraft is damaged this way or that way they said they said that all the
[00:40:27] equations that they were going that they were putting forth about damaged
[00:40:32] aircraft and how it reacts in flight they said it is based on all the
[00:40:37] equations are based on a flat non-rotating earth and then it said
[00:40:42] that these are the true proper underlying physics they admit it I mean
[00:40:50] and it like I said we could do that all day long but I tell people all the time
[00:40:55] I said we don't need those documents anyway because the Bible says it we
[00:40:59] should just believe it but God has allowed there to be like a way to go out
[00:41:03] and prove it like I could take anybody I could take any skeptic let's go to
[00:41:07] Mobile Bank and we'll show you yeah I mean we'll just show you what else you
[00:41:12] want yeah we took an atheist physics PhD that was a colleague of the PhD that
[00:41:19] believes it last time and she saw it she's like oh my gosh they asked a
[00:41:23] question they said you know what in fit in all of our physics training from from
[00:41:28] the entry-level college to graduate level she said no one has ever even
[00:41:34] brought up what is the rate of the curvature of the earth what is the
[00:41:37] equation now you would think that physics PhDs was somehow touched on
[00:41:42] that it's not at all right no no they never she's and what these two
[00:41:47] professors told me said that they want to I actually do something like take some
[00:41:53] of their students and and actually do a test and record and publish their
[00:41:58] results so I'm hoping that they are they're gonna follow through and do
[00:42:03] that I hope so too you know and there's some people out there there's a lot of
[00:42:09] people who when you bring this subject up they get upset about it they get
[00:42:12] offensive they don't want to talk about it but you know there's a Bible verse
[00:42:16] and it's Proverbs 28 I'm sorry Proverbs 18 13 and it says that he that answer
[00:42:24] at the matter before he hear it it is folly and shame unto him yeah yeah and
[00:42:32] that's true I mean there's again indoctrination anything that you've been
[00:42:36] indoctrinated with from a child that's not true now there's some things that
[00:42:41] we got taught we were children they were true that's fine but if it was
[00:42:45] not true that's indoctrination if it was not true and you were told it's true
[00:42:48] then you were lying to you were indoctrinated and having that repeated
[00:42:52] over and over and over and by people in authority authority figures doing that
[00:42:59] to you it's hard to break free and for some people it's a kind of an area of
[00:43:06] pride for them because they're proud about their knowledge either of space or
[00:43:12] stars or dark energy and dark matter I mean I knew all that stuff I studied all
[00:43:17] that stuff I was like yeah you know redshift and blue shift and all these
[00:43:23] again just all this stuff that you pride yourself in knowing but all you've done
[00:43:28] is you've heard this come from certain individuals and you're just
[00:43:31] regurgitating the information that you've heard you you can't prove any of
[00:43:35] this on your own in real science if it's now there are theories and there's
[00:43:40] theoretical physics and and things of that nature not an astrophysicist that
[00:43:45] are theoretical physics so what you're basically coming up with is theories
[00:43:49] about well we think this might be the way it worked or happened or whatever
[00:43:51] but true science where you can say no this is a fact has to be observable
[00:43:58] testable and repeatable you have to be able to observe it test it and repeat
[00:44:03] the test and come out with the same thing and and for a lot of this stuff
[00:44:08] you can't I mean just for instance the distance of the Sun I mean scientists
[00:44:11] for years because they started out well six million miles away and it was 12
[00:44:15] million miles away now it's 93 million miles away you know I mean it's like you
[00:44:19] guys are just making up crap you know I mean that's my I think what is a
[00:44:25] theoretical physicist I said that is a person has a PhD in making up crap that
[00:44:31] they cannot prove yeah it sounds it sounds smart but it's it's ridiculous
[00:44:36] and here's the thing Michio Kaku one of our top theoretical astronomical
[00:44:41] physicists astrophysicists and Neil deGrasse Tyson you ask them questions
[00:44:45] like that's Neil deGrasse Tyson what is gravity and he'll say we don't know we
[00:44:50] don't know Michio Kaku said that he said you know if we're off on a theory
[00:44:56] or a calculation if we're off by a factor of 10 he goes we say that's
[00:45:02] horrible right because we're talking about 10 zeros right right all right
[00:45:07] whatever to the tenth power so he's saying but when it comes to cosmology
[00:45:12] meaning the true nature of the the the universe he said we're off by 120 zeros
[00:45:22] he said it's the biggest Mitch mismatch between experiment our true
[00:45:28] understanding of real science versus theory he said that's ever been in
[00:45:34] science so they admit they'll have a little chart and they'll go they'll go
[00:45:40] what we know they'll have 96% of this chart going this is what we don't know
[00:45:44] 4% what we know and and Neil deGrasse Tyson so we're 96% stupid and then he
[00:45:52] talks about how there's missing mass meaning because they've got this
[00:45:55] equation of mass in gravity right the universal laws of gravitation and they
[00:46:01] gotta say you have I have to certain amount of amount of mass equals a certain
[00:46:04] amount of gravity well they'll tell you right now he Neil deGrasse Tyson says
[00:46:08] this he said there's we see far more gravity in what we look and see then we
[00:46:15] have mass for he said we've known about this he said since the 50s meaning
[00:46:20] that we used to call it missing mass well I'm gonna tell you why because
[00:46:25] your whole system doesn't work the heliocentric system does not work I mean
[00:46:30] that's why he says we don't know what is so what they did was when they can't
[00:46:34] find this missing mass and then when they discovered that things weren't
[00:46:38] exactly the way they thought either about just how what the universe is then
[00:46:44] they came up with this thing this theory of dark matter well there must be
[00:46:47] mass but it's just invisible we can't see it and you're like and then there's
[00:46:54] mysterious dark energy and so they start making up these theories and this pile
[00:47:00] these theories upon theories and people learn these theories and just spit them
[00:47:06] back out but you can't get prove any of these things and in a laboratory you
[00:47:11] can't observe and repeat them so it's just again ridiculous and and you know I
[00:47:17] had a I had an engineer and we've had multiple engineers and PhDs with us on
[00:47:22] these tests and I had an engineer show me that if you take for instance the
[00:47:27] equation of Newton's universal law gravitation equation and you take
[00:47:31] cologne's law of electromagnetism and you look at the equation it's the exact
[00:47:36] same equation they know it's really electromagnetic it's not really you know
[00:47:43] and there's we know that that the the charges the electromagnetic charges
[00:47:48] increase as you go as you go up which is that's why there's a pushing down and so
[00:47:53] there's a far better scientific explanation for just say gravity what
[00:47:59] they call gravity as electromagnetic fields and density and buoyancy in a
[00:48:07] medium so you know and I found out I had a guy I had a guy send me a picture you
[00:48:12] know we have big NASA headquarters here in Alabama the space sent a book we
[00:48:18] also have redstone arsenal where they do some work and they have some buildings
[00:48:21] here and it redstone arsenal there's a NASA building that they use for
[00:48:26] research and guess what it's called the buoyancy and density lab not the
[00:48:32] gravity lab you know so you know when Neil says they ask what gravity is we
[00:48:39] don't know so you know that's where a lot of people start asking those
[00:48:41] questions because they get this idea they still have that heliocentric idea
[00:48:45] well we have to have their gravity has to exist because see we can make it we
[00:48:49] can drop the phone oh there must be gravity and it's just again it's still a
[00:48:53] theory and it's a theory they cannot define and it doesn't match their model
[00:48:58] so so they have an unworking model basically that doesn't really work and
[00:49:04] they contradict themselves all the time but that's just one example I mean it's
[00:49:09] it's it's crazy what what really we've accepted from these people yeah
[00:49:15] there's there's a lot that you know I think there was a book one time and it
[00:49:19] said I don't have enough faith to be an atheist but it takes a lot of faith to
[00:49:24] believe in the heliocentric model like you're saying you had mentioned you
[00:49:29] said it was hard to get hard to get information on this I remember when I
[00:49:34] first heard about this I would type in flatter on YouTube or I would type in
[00:49:40] this or that and I it was very very very hard to even find information
[00:49:46] because they they basically shrugged all of it and you have to be very specific
[00:49:52] so if people wanted to find you or your website you have a website yeah all of
[00:49:58] our like videos and articles and stuff said Dean Odell org so my name D E A and
[00:50:04] O D L E dot org you go to videos and then we have videos by topic and so you got
[00:50:10] we've got like the sevenfold doctrine of creation series I did and there's the
[00:50:15] Skyfall conference we do I usually talk about cosmology in one of the sessions
[00:50:20] in the Skyfall conferences we have one of the best ones I did a I did a
[00:50:24] documentary called escaping the matrix biblical cosmology 101 that's really
[00:50:29] good for beginners and this you know then there's a lot of my stuff that I put
[00:50:35] up you know the sweet time for YouTube and researching this was like 2015 to 2017
[00:50:42] that's when actually flat earth and I had a guy that was a he's a search
[00:50:49] engine IT expert in in Europe who was actually doing work with the European
[00:50:55] Union because they thought Google was hindered them for doing things so he
[00:50:58] was studying this for the European Union and we became friends and he's a
[00:51:02] big flat earth and he showed me he said that flat earth was trending in Google
[00:51:08] and search engines it was the top thing being searched back in 2015 2016 2017
[00:51:15] that's when they had it they had a hearing congressional hearing and they
[00:51:19] brought Google in and they told it basically a Florida congressman said
[00:51:23] you're going to shut down this flat earth thing right and they said yeah so
[00:51:27] think about this I had a video that was as it was approaching a million views
[00:51:32] and it had been mirrored many times by other sites so it had hundreds of
[00:51:36] thousands of views it was called the Bible does say flatter it was only about
[00:51:40] 12 13 minutes long and it just kind of went through some of these scriptures I
[00:51:45] went through today that the job 38 and the revelation 20 verse 9 and so I
[00:51:52] talked about it for about that moment man it was blowing up so if you
[00:51:55] typed in in Google or in YouTube if you typed in Bible flatter my video would be
[00:52:00] the first one that popped up on the screen it'd be it was like number one in
[00:52:04] that topic when they when they clamped down in like the beginning of 2018 and
[00:52:10] they started the censorship and they started the algorithms to hide this and
[00:52:14] suppress the flat earth the truth let me tell you you would type in the exact
[00:52:20] title of you could type in the Bible does say flat earth by Dean Odell and it
[00:52:25] would be buried in like 12 15 pages of Google then a little while after that
[00:52:32] you couldn't even find it at all right and then of course 2021 YouTube
[00:52:36] terminates my channel so but here's the thing if it's silly if this is just a
[00:52:43] silly foolish belief it's just you know they let they let stuff go out there
[00:52:47] about Bigfoot and aliens and everything else but all we've got to suppress flat
[00:52:55] earth and censor it like crazy why well that was the reason I really gave it a
[00:53:03] look because you know if I had seen a few things on the internet I thought
[00:53:09] it was Joe but there was a guy named Kyrie Irving a basketball player you
[00:53:14] remember that oh yeah he came out said he believed in the flatter and then
[00:53:19] Shaquille O'Neal the basketball player came out and said it the best tennis
[00:53:24] player in the world recently there was some talk about it and so all of these
[00:53:28] different people were talking about a rapper B.O.B. came out and said he believed
[00:53:33] in the flatter and so but when I saw how much they tried to censor it and
[00:53:38] when I would see a video because you can still go to YouTube but you can
[00:53:44] type in Dean Odle and you'll see you'll see some stuff there's some other names
[00:53:48] as well are there any other people who promote promote flatter that you would
[00:53:53] recommend oh there's a lot out there I mean there's you know there's both
[00:53:58] Christian and non Christians that do this I mean of course you know there's a
[00:54:02] guy named Widget Widget gets it you know he's a young man I actually invited him
[00:54:07] to the debate he was I was gonna bring him up on stage and he's in the
[00:54:12] science area like dealing with Einstein and relativity and all of this stuff
[00:54:17] brilliant guy I mean he he debates atheists and people on this all the time
[00:54:22] so yeah his is great a great channel to go to they have it shut him down which
[00:54:28] is amazing of course you know I mean there's flatter Dave he's got a lot of
[00:54:34] good videos he's not it but he's not a Christian so you get some secular
[00:54:38] viewpoints in there there's a several I mean there's a few pastors that I know of
[00:54:43] that are preaching in different places I can't really remember the names right
[00:54:46] now there's some one guy in Georgia and you know there they're popping up in
[00:54:49] different places but you know recently the MMA champion Rampage Jackson's has
[00:54:56] came out as flatter as well so there's some folks that are and I happen to
[00:55:02] know there's actually some people in some there's some some Hollywood actors
[00:55:08] that are conservative that have come to this belief but they won't dare say it
[00:55:12] publicly and and that's it let me tell you that's true about a lot of people
[00:55:16] there's more people that believe this and have seen the evidence and have come
[00:55:21] to this realization that we have been deceived about creation but they're
[00:55:27] afraid they're afraid to take the heat I mean I know pastors that don't tell
[00:55:30] me I agree with you and then but wouldn't dare ever say they agree with
[00:55:35] me public or preach it or talk about it or even ask questions they're just too
[00:55:39] afraid and it takes some guts it takes some strength to stand up for something
[00:55:45] you know you're going to be ridiculed and attacked and persecuted for and a lot
[00:55:50] of people just don't want that heat you know but I knew the Lord wanted me to do
[00:55:55] it and I'm I'm used to taking heat for stuff so I don't care you know yeah
[00:56:00] that's just the way it is but I look at it this way I've seen so many people come
[00:56:06] to Jesus because of this truth and it brought them to the gospel to enable them
[00:56:11] to believe and hear it here that Jesus loved them and died on the cross with
[00:56:16] them and rose from the dead and you got a call on him to believe that that
[00:56:19] story is true once they realize that creation story the Bible was true I
[00:56:23] mean it just you think about it stands reason if you can't believe Genesis 1
[00:56:26] why how can you believe Matthew 26 about the crucifixion yeah I can you
[00:56:31] believe about the resurrection and Christians all times they're gonna push
[00:56:35] you're gonna push people away because it's just too far out there and you
[00:56:39] shouldn't talk about it you know and I'm like look man look at what we believe
[00:56:43] we believe that a virgin conceived that that God became flesh that he lived a
[00:56:51] sinless life that he wrote that he did miracles he healed the lepers and
[00:56:55] cast out demons and raised the dead and I said we you know do you think modern
[00:57:01] most modern scientists believe that no they don't so you know a scientist comes
[00:57:06] along say it's impossible it's scientifically impossible that Jesus rose
[00:57:10] from the dead okay so I'm not gonna believe you or believe what I know to be
[00:57:17] true already you know right so what I'm saying is the world always they already
[00:57:21] thinks that we're foolish in what we believe we believe in the flood the
[00:57:25] worldwide flood we believe that Jonah was swallowed by a big fish you know
[00:57:29] they mocked that until a dude recently was swallowed by a big fish and lived and
[00:57:33] was spit out just like Jonah was and so you know we believe things that they
[00:57:38] that they always thinks ridiculous but let me tell you what's ridiculous what's
[00:57:42] ridiculous is believing that nothing somehow exploded 13 point whatever
[00:57:48] billion years ago and created everything in perfect order you know it's just
[00:57:55] like somebody said we we would have had for that to have happened the way they
[00:57:59] say we would have to win the lottery just millions of times over like you
[00:58:05] know yeah and you don't get right right exactly it's one of the most
[00:58:12] ridiculous stories are attempts at trying to come up with a different story
[00:58:18] than the Bible about creation but let me tell you who started it it was a
[00:58:23] Jesuit priest who started the Big Bang Theory a Jesuit priest and so you know a
[00:58:31] lot of I've heard a lot of people say that Nicholas Copernicus was actually a
[00:58:35] Christian there's he was he was he was a Jesuit he was on he was a on you
[00:58:43] actually was paid it's I've covered my book he was paid on staff by the
[00:58:47] Vatican all of this stuff comes from the Vatican and that's that's what
[00:58:53] people don't really realize there's people out there say I'm not gonna I'm
[00:58:56] not gonna believe anything from a religious person and yet they believe
[00:58:59] the Big Bang it came from a Jesuit priest you know they don't even realize
[00:59:03] what they're believing and where it came from and this is why the Vatican is
[00:59:08] part going to be part of the great end-time deception about this alien
[00:59:11] thing pretending that these fallen angels and demon spirits and the and
[00:59:15] the Nephilim beings they've created there that they're aliens see that
[00:59:20] the Vatican's pushing that that narrative really hard and they're going
[00:59:25] to be part the Vatican's part of deceiving the world and they always have
[00:59:29] been getting people to worship Mary and pray to Mary and I mean calling her the
[00:59:35] Queen of Heaven well who was called the Queen of Heaven in the Bible you know I
[00:59:40] mean this just goes down the list I'm calling her the co-redeemer and
[00:59:44] co-mediated with Jesus and stuff like that the idolatry the bowing of the
[00:59:51] statues the kissing of the statues the praying dead saints and all this stuff
[00:59:55] that the Bible forbids I'm not saying all the people in the Roman Catholic Church
[00:59:58] are not saved or not ready for heaven because many of them have put their
[01:00:03] faith in Jesus and not in the Pope but the system and the religious system is
[01:00:08] corrupt and now you have it for the first time ever in history you've got a
[01:00:13] Jesuit Pope and he has said some of the craziest anti-bible anti-christ things
[01:00:19] that you can say and so it's pretty clear we were shown in Revelation 18 you
[01:00:26] know that's a great whore we were given all the clues it's the city on seven
[01:00:30] hills it was a city that was currently raining on the kings of the earth its
[01:00:34] colors were purple and red which that's the bishops in the cardinals are
[01:00:39] red the bishops wear purple I mean everything identifies the great whore
[01:00:44] of mystery Babylon as the Vatican and that the final Pope we were the final
[01:00:48] Pope is it maybe this guy is it Francis it maybe not but the final Pope I've
[01:00:53] always believed will be the false prophet that works with a antichrist and
[01:00:56] that Vatican will join with the morse when the United Nations morse into a full
[01:01:01] world government they will those two entities will work together to deceive
[01:01:05] the whole world and and you know Jesus warned he said they will be those who
[01:01:10] come in my name and deceive me and the Vatican is just that the get-go from the
[01:01:20] get-go and so a lot of people are talking about aliens right now a lot of
[01:01:26] people are talking about a lot of stuff that 25 years ago if you would have
[01:01:30] brought up any of this stuff they would have said you're crazy and so
[01:01:33] you know it's interesting a lot of these Eastern religion are willing to talk
[01:01:39] about all this other stuff but a lot of the churches they don't want to touch
[01:01:43] any of this stuff no they're just afraid I mean look 30 years ago it
[01:01:48] became it crept into the church to become seeker sensitive or seeker
[01:01:55] friendly and so that was the model that so many denominations and churches
[01:02:00] adopted and and all that model is is that we're not going to we're going to
[01:02:04] give very basic 30-minute 20-minute sermons we're not going to hit anything
[01:02:09] controversial we're going to give the we're going to give the people the
[01:02:12] unsaved people what they want and and and then you know Christians are barely
[01:02:18] going to get anything that they need to grow or learn from the Bible and we've
[01:02:22] created these make churches that are just basically to get people through the in
[01:02:28] and out the door so we have can count nickels and noses I mean it's really bad
[01:02:33] it's just a watered-down Christianity and if there's only there's only two
[01:02:38] philosophies of ministry you can have as a pastor as a leader you either say
[01:02:43] we're going to water it down and try not to be offensive and not say anything
[01:02:46] that might upset somebody and try to keep people that way or we're going to
[01:02:50] tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth and Genesis the revelation and
[01:02:53] let the chips fall where they may if they get offended they get offended
[01:02:56] Jesus was not afraid to offend people the truth so you can't be both of those
[01:03:01] things you have to be one of the other and so it's not just the flat earth
[01:03:06] biblical cosmology truth that they run away from but it's the truth about the
[01:03:10] Nephilim which is connected to the alien situations they don't want to talk
[01:03:14] about the Giants they don't want to talk about they don't most of them don't
[01:03:19] talk about demons and casting out demons they want to just run away from
[01:03:22] that like it doesn't happen anymore so you know I mean I saw that come in it
[01:03:29] crept in late 80s early 90s into the churches and I even had some of them
[01:03:34] try to push it on me and you know you need to go to this class and you need to
[01:03:37] learn this and so I've heard all the teaching I went to the Regent
[01:03:41] University training on church growth and I'd sit there just grieve the whole
[01:03:46] three days I was there just like this is so disturbing because it's really a
[01:03:51] class on how to manipulate people into becoming church and attending church
[01:03:55] instead of what our goal should be is to get them saved to get them to repent of
[01:04:01] sin and to get them to become true disciples of Jesus Christ that are
[01:04:05] willing to take up their cross and follow him and deny themselves and and
[01:04:09] so you know we hard to hear any of that preaching anymore I mean it's a
[01:04:13] rare thing so but that's what I'm saying you throw something as
[01:04:19] controversial as flat earth into that equation and they like no way you know
[01:04:25] we're not even going to talk about demons so it's sad it's that but many
[01:04:32] Christians I have to say I get contacted all the time so many Christians are
[01:04:36] dissatisfied in these lukewarm seeker friendly seeker sensitive churches they're
[01:04:42] leaving them by the droves and and and then having a hard time finding the
[01:04:47] church in their area that will preach the you know as Paul said the whole
[01:04:51] council of God's Word from Genesis to Revelation so that's right people are
[01:04:57] hungry we have people that we have even though our church we're small
[01:05:01] church we're less than a hundred people just a little less than that and but we
[01:05:05] have thousands and I'm not even with YouTube shutting us down we have
[01:05:11] thousands that listen to us every every week thousands upon thousands I mean
[01:05:16] probably three four thousand on on Facebook several thousand that Europe on
[01:05:22] the Europe Channel I mean so God's really you know the message is getting
[01:05:28] out there and then people come visit us and people always telling us oh we want
[01:05:32] to move here so we can go to church here and I tell them don't do it unless
[01:05:36] you know God's telling you to do yeah yeah yeah I never say yeah come on
[01:05:40] because uh but it's sad because the big most of the emails I get or do you
[01:05:45] know a church in my area that that preaches the whole truth anymore from
[01:05:50] Genesis to Revelation that they don't even talk about in times Bible prophecy
[01:05:53] they're churches that will not touch that with a ten-foot pole and you're
[01:05:57] like and people that's how can I started getting like a bigger following
[01:06:03] online is because I would talk about Bible prophecy in depth you know and so
[01:06:09] yeah it's just we live in an interesting kind of watered-down lukewarm
[01:06:15] time where people are scared so many Christians are scared to be
[01:06:19] controversial yeah absolutely but not you so Dean I thank you for coming on
[01:06:25] today and you kind of opened a few cans of worms with the the nephilim and we
[01:06:31] still talked a little about about Freemasonry so maybe we could get you
[01:06:35] back on another call and discuss some of that but I really enjoyed having you
[01:06:40] on if you got the book go ahead and show it to the audience so they can pick
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[01:06:50] international order if it's bookbaby.com or go to Deanodal org to order it you
[01:06:56] can risk it you can try to order from Amazon it might work it might not I
[01:07:00] don't know but you can get it from us and I say this if anybody can't afford it
[01:07:04] and they're going through a difficult time and they send me a mailing address
[01:07:08] I'll send them one because that's what I do
[01:07:11] you can't beat that brother yeah so thanks for everything you do man and we
[01:07:16] hope to talk to you soon right thanks for having me brother